Hindi is a little child in diapers says kamal haasan. - Page 29

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

Quoting someone,

Our ancestors, from various parts of India have been going to Kashi, without knowing Hindi or English, before locomotive was invented. How did they manage?

Again, my ancestors might be nomadic hunters doesn't mean I have to ignore all the efficient systems available to survive and progress. Some of our ancestors might have lived a healthy life without medical science does not mean we have to do that or that it is efficient. Some people managed to travel overseas without proper navigation systems or can still do that, doesn't mean we should ignore those. Not sure who all even try to write this kind of logic.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

There are tools. Some rudimentary and archaic. Some newer. Perhaps the oldest tool is the translator. And for the deaf, heard of hearing, and speech-disabled people translators are sometimes essential instead of an unnecessary inconvenience. A lot of forms, instruction manuals, resources are available in multiple languages so that the maximum possible people can use them.

In more technologically advanced Google and other companies are building translation apps. You can hover your camera lens over text and get it translated. There are earbuds that translate speech into your preferred language. There are apps you can speak into with your language and it translates it into other languages.

I find it exasperating that people are complaining about language despite so many tools available and we once had people like Marco Polo or Ibn Batuta who traveled the world without knowing what language was spoken in the beyond.

So you agree tools are required. It's not just desire but also finding means. I am not saying a person going to particular place has to learn the language of the place, but he/she needs a form of tool to communicate. So it isn't just the desire, but also tool and the ways of deciphering. For example you talked about child crying, but that tool also requires time to decipher. parents don't recognize which cry means what on first go, it takes days, weeks and even months in many cases.

I don't get why you and some others are fixated on the language, when my point wasn't ever language, but desire isn't enough and tools are important.

Marco Polo and Ibn Batuta may not have known the language, but when they reached those places, they took a considerable amount of time to get the communication in a reasonable and adequate manner to form the basis of their writings.

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

Quoting someone,

Our ancestors, from various parts of India have been going to Kashi, without knowing Hindi or English, before locomotive was invented. How did they manage?

They managed because they had tools which helped them communicate. Desire wasn't enough. It's not about language, I don't get why you guys are bringing language.

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug

So you agree tools are required. It's not just desire but also finding means. I am not saying a person going to particular place has to learn the language of the place, but he/she needs a form of tool to communicate. So it isn't just the desire, but also tool and the ways of deciphering. For example you talked about child crying, but that tool also requires time to decipher. parents don't recognize which cry means what on first go, it takes days, weeks and even months in many cases.

I don't get why you and some others are fixated on the language, when my point wasn't ever language, but desire isn't enough and tools are important.

Marco Polo and Ibn Batuta may not have known the language, but when they reached those places, they took a considerable amount of time to get the communication in a reasonable and adequate manner to form the basis of their writings.

TL/DR - If there is desire to communicate the tools to communicate will follow. If there is no desire to communicate people don't even use the available tools.

Desire to communicate is of utmost importance. A parent learns to differentiate children's cries because they want to understand and care for their child. Marco Polo and Ibn Batuta had those journies and communicated because they had a desire to communicate. Trade along the silk road and communication between communities of disparate languages took place because they had the desire. Software companies are building translation tools because people have a desire to communicate.

When people do not have the desire to communicate, forget tools, they will intentionally create rifts and barriers to specifically avoid communicating.

I am fixated on language because there are some language-driven questions at the center of this discussion. These may not be explicit and not everyone cares about these questions but it is there. Is one common language necessary for a nation? Is a common language necessary for communication? Will India be better off if we impose Hindi or English the official national language?

Originally posted by: FreeTheNipple

Again you don’t realize how important efficiency and effectiveness are. Research happens with time constraints. There is constant pressure to publish timely. I wouldn’t turn my back on important data in any situation if only I knew it was important. If anyone knew in research what is important and what is not, things would be really simple. But unfortunately nobody knows. Again your whole post reeks of idealism and ignorance. There is a saying in research that 90% research is useless but nobody knows which 90%, so you hav to go through pretty much everything. Communication gap between different groups is still one of the major reasons why research is hampered. Quoting exceptions to show it can be done or it is being done doesn’t mean it is efficient. Bad logic.

Goal: To be efficient and effective.
Strategy: To impose a global common language to once and for all remove any and all barriers of communication.

Which language should be chosen as the global common language?
a) Mandarin Chinese because it is the most spoken language in the world
b) English because it is the most spoken second language
c) Spanish because it is one of the fastest-growing
d) Esperanto because it is an objective and logical created language.

How will we impose/spread the global common language?
a) A PR campaign urging everyone to learn the new language
b) A global legal mandate making it a criminal offense to not learn the common language.

How will we get all nations to buy into the global common language?
a) Diplomatic Solutions
b) Aggressive Negotiations
c) Money Money Money

How will we address dissidents, revolutionaries, and rebels against global common language?
a) Off with their heads
b) Lifelong Imprisonment
c) Re-education camps
d) What resistance? The house always wins!

How will we make education in the global common language accessible to all citizens of the world irrespective of how remote they are or how poor the infrastructure in their region?
a) Mass Manufacturing of Global Language teacher robots
b) Mass Extermination/Isolation of populations that are too difficult to reach and teach
c) Hmm maybe on second thoughts we should just find an intermediary between our language and theirs.

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug

They managed because they had tools which helped them communicate. Desire wasn't enough. It's not about language, I don't get why you guys are bringing language.

Perhaps because the thread is about it ? .. The discussion is about the topic in hand ..

"Desire" was in context of this thread/topic of discussion .. You took it to mean something else entirely .. You separated it from the context of discussion .. You made it mutually exclusive .. And now your irrational expectation is for others to follow exactly what you think you saw / what you think the discussion is about .. 😆

Originally posted by: Billi_Bangalan

Arre bhai band karo ye bhashan. Pachar pacar pachar. Tumlog thak nahi jaate ho?

🤣 🤣 🤣

Originally posted by: --Pro.vo.King--

Perhaps because the thread is about it ? .. The discussion is about the topic in hand ..

"Desire" was in context of this thread/topic of discussion .. You took it to mean something else entirely .. You separated it from the context of discussion .. You made it mutually exclusive .. And now your irrational expectation is for others to follow exactly what you think you saw / what you think the discussion is about .. 😆

I don't care what this thread is about, you can cry about Hindi imposing morons, someone can cry about South Indian snobs.

My point of discussion with RTH is simple, tools are as important as desire. Just desire isn't enough.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

TL/DR - If there is desire to communicate the tools to communicate will follow. If there is no desire to communicate people don't even use the available tools.

Desire to communicate is of utmost importance. A parent learns to differentiate children's cries because they want to understand and care for their child. Marco Polo and Ibn Batuta had those journies and communicated because they had a desire to communicate. Trade along the silk road and communication between communities of disparate languages took place because they had the desire. Software companies are building translation tools because people have a desire to communicate.

When people do not have the desire to communicate, forget tools, they will intentionally create rifts and barriers to specifically avoid communicating.

I am fixated on language because there are some language-driven questions at the center of this discussion. These may not be explicit and not everyone cares about thee questions but it is there. Is one common language necessary for a nation? Is a common language necessary for communication? Will India be better off if we impose Hindi or English the official national language?

Desire isn't utmost important, many times people communicate out of helplessness, force and even when they run out of options. Not everyone communicates because they want to or desire to.

As for your last questions, it's not necessary and I haven't been in favor of imposing anyways. Although if everyone learned a common language, it will save up a lot of time and effort, resulting in quick flow of knowledge and information, making decision-making faster but that is a advance stage and practically not possible..

RegressiveThug nahi FighterThug naam hona chaiye tha.. aankhri saans Tak ldega.😆