Originally posted by: inlieu
It's a pity she didn't meet HS when she was younger in but in some ways I think this was the perfect time to meet him, when she was vulnerable and confused and burdened by so many worries. That is why HS was able to make such an impact in a short while.
Honestly, I think it's good they met when they did....they were drawn to each other for the people they are now...with what life shaped them up to be....they are both wonderful, loving people....but it is at this stage of their lives that they could bring something to each other that completes the emptiness of their lives.
In comes HS and shows her that there is this whole other world where the values that she thought she'd known about, such as loyalty, honesty, pride, honor, respect, and most importantly love, meant very different things here. I think it was also quite important for her to see that though HS was unlike anyone else she'd ever met, he was not the only one in his world to exhibit such traits. It was a great choice by the CVs to give him the extended family of Lala and Naeem Bi, who also come from similar schools of thought, which are completely different from the Khuranas. She needed to see that llike HS, there were wonderful, beautiful people out in this world with a strong moral code, but who were not perfect. HS was her gateway into that world, and the way he has maintained his bond with NB and Lala without having blood ties with them has left a mark on her heart and mind. He taught her what dil ke rishte were about, where there was no compulsion, only love.
Aww beautifully put, Jean! Such a lovely thought....he gave her the perspective to view life beyond blood bonds and relationships that form from the heart, without any compulsion....this extended family he's built with NB and Laale definitely broadened Mini's perspectives as well....this show well and truly picked up when we were all introduced to HS's world and the people in it....along with Mini, we also discovered so much.
With the recent experiences she's had, especially when see saw HS' suffering from up close during the Imarti track, she realized that no matter how much love and affection one holds in ones heart, there are no guarantees in life.
Exactly....there are no guarantees in life no matter how much love and affection you have in your heart....there will always be things beyond your control....what matters is how you handle things.
The woman who he loved today had not stood with him, he had claimed to be her father yet he had misbehaved with both mother and daughter during this period, exposed some of his vulnerability to Minnie. I say some because I still believe what we saw was the tip of the iceberg. Even after being so upset with his accusation during the wedding, she withdrew from him, kept her distance and didn't really address him directly. She felt unwanted because of his words, but I think deep down she knew he had not deliberately meant to hurt her. It didn't excuse his behavior or take the sting out of his words, but she has been able to put the entire thing into perspective. When Babita and HS had a fight in front of her, she was able to distinguish between right and wrong, even going so far as to reminding Babita that HS was a very good man, who had done so much for them.
I agree....I don't think she thinks he really meant to hurt her deliberately....yes, his words did sting and hurt her...but she didn't hold it against him because she has seen different sides of him before also....how he can say things when he's upset....so yes, she put it into perspective because she doesn't doubt the goodness inside him....even when he himself doubts it sometimes....if there is anyone who has implicit faith in his goodness, it's Mini.....and I've been amazed at the stoic maturity that crept into her with these events....in some ways, these incidents shook her a bit and made her grow up beyond her years yet again....a quiet maturity crept into her in this phase....wherein she was able to take in so much more than she had before....all because of the immense love she has for Babes and HS....she stepped up for their sake.....and it kinda made me sad too that she had to....but I guess that's life....sometimes the parents falter despite their best attempts....and the aftermath leaves an impact on the child....something grows up beyond it's years inside them.
If anyone else had mistrusted her, even Babita, Minnie might not have been this affected but it was her Hanuman Uncle this time. I wonder what she was more hurt about, the fact that he had failed to trust her or the fact that despite everything they'd been through together, she had failed to win his trust.
I think it's a mix of both....the fact that he actually failed her trust in him in that moment...the trust she had in him to be there for her..... and the fact that after all this time, everything he's seen of her, he didn't give her trust in a crucial moment.
I honestly feel ki Babes se toh sab ne expect karna hi chhod diya hai....ROFL....so yes, when others make missteps, it hits WAY harder.
I don't know to what extent she has really forgiven him after this apology. Her insecurities around feeling 'homeless' are probably gone but whether she has completely forgiven him remains to be seen. Has this shaken her confidence in him? Can she fully trust him again or trust him to always trust her from now on?
I think she has forgiven him....but the impact of what happened may linger....I do think she still trusts him....but now that trust may be a little more vulnerable and may need some time to strengthen again....especially because Mini still seems to be in a delicate state of mind.
I was touched by HS' genuine statement that he did not deserve forgiveness, but was still asking her for just one chance to make things right. With the revelation that his heart would be broken if he were to separate from her, something that we've always known but she hadn't, he put it out there. It's all fine for him to say that he was her father but his articulation of her place in his life was necessary. I have been wondering if he will go into over-compensation mode to make amends for this error of his. I hope not. He, of all people, needs to keep the balance because at this point, neither Babita nor Minnie can.
LOL I was dreading he will do this two days back given how he was appeasing Babita....but now, I think balance has been restored for now....I don't think he will go into over-compensation mode but yeah he may make extra efforts to shower affection on her as he was doing in the episode also.....I am actually intrigued to see if he will become more protective of her too.
I am not sure if HS has consciously thought through this, but during the apology it seemed as if he was not concerned about the father-daughter labels. Rather, it seemed as if they had gone back to the source of it all: Hanuman Uncle and Veer Balika. He didn't care that she hadn't said anything to him about what she wanted from him, if anything else. All he wanted was to try to mend the broken confidence and restore the trust factor as much as possible, because that is the real source of strength in their relationship. Minnie said nothing the entire time, but that was fine with him for now. He just wanted to make sure he did his bit as the adult, which is what we expected of him. I hope he can get her to talk more and write less in her diary (or do both).
Yes, the father-daughter labels angle got put aside for now because it was important to first atleast go back to the core of their relationship.....Veer Balika and Hanuman Uncle....so much had been damaged since the wedding, they needed to repair that first....first that confidence has to be restored, only then they can move ahead from here towards however they want to define their relationship.
I think it's a sensitive issue....and HS anyways daraa hi rehta hai Maa Beti se....lol....but yes, he hopefully can coax Mini out of her shell and get her to talk to him more again....perhaps as incidents unfold and there are more opportunities to talk about his past, his mom, they will get a chance to bond again.
Diary has become a substitute for both Babes and HS for Mini....because the adults are in so much constant emotional turmoil, woh kya baat kare unse? lol....but yes, it would be nice if she can do both....use the diary to express her emotions and also talk to HS.
The elephant in the room wasn't addressed: was he her father or not, and if he was what did it mean? Also, just like he had for the first time expected something from his daughter, hadn't she too expected his undying trust? She had had complete faith in him during the track even without him asking for it. He had perhaps not thought through it until now, presumably because he had just shut his mind to the Imarti track completely, but once the realization hit him as he stood at the door to her room, he was overwhelmed by the significance of it all. I hope these points will be picked up later on.
Pehle I want them to show Mini defining what a father means to her....some conversation around how they both fell into the father-daughter pattern without talking through it....HS is probably too terrified to even ask Mini if she wants him as a father....lol....so someone else will have to have this discussion with her.
In her diary entries, she has written a lot about Babita and herself, but if you read between the lines (pun not intended), she is starting to think outside of just the two of them. There were many indirect references to her feelings and experiences related to HS but I don't think she has consciously come to terms with them or tried to analyze why things are the way they are.
Yes, most of the references to HS are oblique....indirect....and mostly in context of how his relationship is with Babita or whether they will be able to manage it.....otherwise most of Mini's entries begin with "Aaj meri Babes ne yeh kiya....aaj meri Babes khush hai, nahin hai...etc."
I have a strong feeling there will be other things coming around DNA, heritage, etc. Also, their bonding over daddy issues and childhood trauma can be explored in much more depth. We know these factors and can connect the dots, but have HS and Minnie actually taken the time to think about the why's in the relationship? This is what NB was also hinting at. I can't wait for those topics to come up. They will be mind-blowing tracks.
Absolutely...the fodder is all there....but it depends on the writers ka mood if they want to show HS and Mini taking the time to think about the WHYs in their relationship.....lol....honestly that NB convo with HS was incomplete....she needs to pick it up at some point and talk to HS again about Mini.
