The basic unanswered question - Page 4

Originally posted by: Jiarao

That seems to be their intention. They brought the CD incident just to show Hanuman has already started neglecting her feelings. But what happened was audience started to feel for HS pain instead of Minnies's.😆 Now also they are showing Khurana issue to make us see how HS proritises Babitha over her . I don't know what other people feel about this but I don't really feel too bad for MInnie or Khuranas. May be overdose of Minnie's maturity is getting on my nerves or my blind love for HS is making me biased. 😆

@bold: yep that seems to be the case for you and many others here 😆

I adore HS but I don’t defend him blindly for everything. I felt for his POV the day of the CD incident but the subsequent episodes proved Mini to be the most mature of the three and the writers successfully managed to make me feel the most bad for her.

Right now also I feel bad for her because she has stepped up when HS didn’t. And he still doesn’t have a realization about it. I know it will come later at some point, but in current state toh that emotional high point of HS’s POV is gone IMO🤷‍♀️

HS has deffo not stepped up as a father or even basic friend to Mini while Mini managed to step up despite being a hurt child. She’s aged since the wedding while HS has floundered on many levels. That is how the writers wanted to play it so some impact had to come through.

Anirudh plays HS fantastically but that doesn’t take away from the truth of how HS didn’t step up for Mini in this phase and I do feel the pinch.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: yep that seems to be the case for you and many others here 😆

I adore HS but I don’t defend him blindly for everything. I felt for his POV the day of the CD incident but the subsequent episodes proved Mini to be the most mature of the three and the writers successfully managed to make me feel the most bad for her.

Right now also I feel bad for her because she has stepped up when HS didn’t. And he still doesn’t have a realization about it. I know it will come later at some point, but in current state toh that emotional high point of HS’s POV is gone IMO🤷‍♀️

HS has deffo not stepped up as a father or even basic friend to Mini while Mini managed to step up despite being a hurt child. She’s aged since the wedding while HS has floundered on many levels. That is how the writers wanted to play it so some impact had to come through.

Anirudh plays HS fantastically but that doesn’t take away from the truth of how HS didn’t step up for Mini in this phase and I do feel the pinch.

I think Hs ki dil me ye baath chub Gaya hai ki , mother daughter doesn’t need him. They both don’t show any love towards Hs. Mini to bath to Karti hai lekin abhi tak papa nahi mana hanuman uncle hi bolti hai yahi bath usne poocha mini se vo koi assurance nahi diya hai ki aap hi mere papa hai,Babita ki bare me mai bath nahi karna chavungi frustration yaar sorry.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I guess the writers are saving that for later. Right now HS’s full focus is only on Babita....he seems scared to tackle or approach the issue with Mini.

What’s obvious is that something has changed between them but Mini is handling it more maturely than him. She isn’t shutting him out despite whatever hurt she felt. She still considers him a good man, likes him, trusts him for her Babes. But she isn’t thinking beyond that.

Yesterday he said sorry to Mini for not being able to handle her mother despite promising he will keep her happy....that was a tell about the breakdown in their equation...he also thinks their equation is only dependent on how much he takes care of Babita. The Mini who was once ready to tear the world apart for anyone who hurt her Babes now calmly gave understanding to HS in that scene. I was left wondering if her character has actually changed to that level or she’s just moved HS down from the pedestal she had him on and stopped having much expectations from him. And along with the loss of expectations, that natural haq she exerted has also been lost to some extent.

He doesn’t know how to communicate with her. He’s too scared....he’s scared of both mother and daughter Waise toh. Lol

I keep thinking of the time he said to her “tu first hai”....aajkal woh feeling nahin aati despite the happy family morning scene yesterday.

I think she has moved HS down from the pedestal and has stopped expecting from him for herself. With babita she still expects. Also even before between babita and HS mini has chosen whoever needed her more or whoever she felt was correct at that time. So its not that if HS is rude to babita she is going to behave with him in the same way she would treat some other person. She did understand him when there was the forced sorry thing too.

I also agree that HS dint step up when mini required it this time. He was too caught up with his own marriage and hurt that he failed to see mini who is growing distant from him. These days the tu first hai thing dint really matter to him.

I actually thought he was telling sorry for telling mini is the 3rd person between them. But he said sorry for hurting babita. So that's what he thinks their relationship has become just related due to babita.

Originally posted by: Indulatha

I think Hs ki dil me ye baath chub Gaya hai ki , mother daughter doesn’t need him. They both don’t show any love towards Hs. Mini to bath to Karti hai lekin abhi tak papa nahi mana hanuman uncle hi bolti hai yahi bath usne poocha mini se vo koi assurance nahi diya hai ki aap hi mere papa hai,Babita ki bare me mai bath nahi karna chavungi frustration yaar sorry.

Yes, assurance is the keyword. He doesn’t get that from either mother or daughter...but this seems to be an accepted structure for their relationship now. That he will spend all his time giving assurance to Babita without expecting her to give any to him 🤷‍♀️

And with Mini, the issue is more complicated...he can’t expect her to automatically start calling him papa or whatever. Shaadi ke baad he can expect intimacy from his wife, but he can’t expect an instant daughter without continuous communication on the subject.

When trust gets shaken up, it takes time to repair....HS didn’t manage the shaking up of that trust with Mini well....now he’s more vulnerable than before and unable to even be the father he wanted to be. This is why I found him explaining haq to Babita ironic yesterday...he himself is making the same mistake with Mini....unable to jataao the haq in love....scared of whether there will be no reciprocation and that will hurt him more.

Originally posted by: naq5

I think she has moved HS down from the pedestal and has stopped expecting from him for herself. With babita she still expects. Also even before between babita and HS mini has chosen whoever needed her more or whoever she felt was correct at that time. So its not that if HS is rude to babita she is going to behave with him in the same way she would treat some other person. She did understand him when there was the forced sorry thing too.

I also agree that HS dint step up when mini required it this time. He was too caught up with his own marriage and hurt that he failed to see mini who is growing distant from him. These days the tu first hai thing dint really matter to him.

I actually thought he was telling sorry for telling mini is the 3rd person between them. But he said sorry for hurting babita. So that's what he thinks their relationship has become just related due to babita.

LOL even I initially thought he was saying sorry for that 😆....then when it turned out to be a general sorry, I was like oh ok 🤷‍♀️

And yes, word on Mini having stopped expecting anything for herself from him. She is treating him like Babita’s husband and he also isn’t making any effort to address the gaps in communication that have flared up.

He just wants to maintain peace. But this current peace will just be a facade if actual issues aren’t addressed.

Mini has internalized all her hurt from the wedding day and she is also being practical in trying to solve issues between HB.

I’m really missing the blunt honesty between H and M....they both used to bluntly express what’s on their mind even if they clashed. That is why ek purity thi relationship mein even as they fought and made up.

The first time they argued when she yelled at him for not being at home when they needed him, the next morning when they made up, he brushed away her thanks, saying that tune jis HAQ se mujhe daant liya, usi haq se Maine help bhi kar di.

That HS is nowhere to be seen now thanks to full focus on new biwi🤷‍♀️😂....He has shown that he couldn’t really handle Mini at a critical time and fully got consumed in dealing with Babita.

Ab romance wagairah mein this is all more on the back burner🤷‍♀️

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I guess the writers are saving that for later. Right now HS’s full focus is only on Babita....he seems scared to tackle or approach the issue with Mini.

What’s obvious is that something has changed between them but Mini is handling it more maturely than him. She isn’t shutting him out despite whatever hurt she felt. She still considers him a good man, likes him, trusts him for her Babes. But she isn’t thinking beyond that.

Yesterday he said sorry to Mini for not being able to handle her mother despite promising he will keep her happy....that was a tell about the breakdown in their equation...he also thinks their equation is only dependent on how much he takes care of Babita. The Mini who was once ready to tear the world apart for anyone who hurt her Babes now calmly gave understanding to HS in that scene. I was left wondering if her character has actually changed to that level or she’s just moved HS down from the pedestal she had him on and stopped having much expectations from him. And along with the loss of expectations, that natural haq she exerted has also been lost to some extent.

He doesn’t know how to communicate with her. He’s too scared....he’s scared of both mother and daughter Waise toh. Lol

I keep thinking of the time he said to her “tu first hai”....aajkal woh feeling nahin aati despite the happy family morning scene yesterday.

I think it's all still there in his heart, his love for Minnie, and his intent to do right by her, but the way he is behaving now doesn't surprise me. Just like after the Imarti track, HS didn't really talk much with Babita and refused to address any of the issues between them or make the first move, he's doing the same with Minnie. In fact, this time it's even worse because their equation has always been one of openness and honesty. He never needed to hide behind anyone or anything in order to communicate with his Veer Balika.

The way he walked in to the house yelling for his Veer Balika, made me feel a pang because I knew that he knew she wouldn't be at home. Where once he really would have been calling for her upon coming home, in fact not so long ago HS and Lala had done a driveby to the shop just to check on his daughter, today he is just maintaining his distance.

I think he is afraid that if he brings that CD topic up with her, he would come face to face with the truth, that she doesn't love him or want him as her father, that he can never have that place, authority, or right in her life, to raise her and strive for her happiness in that role. So he's doing the next best thing, being a good husband to Babita and taking some of the burden off Minnie. If the closest he can get to being in Minnie's life is as her mother's husband then he would try and excel at that. Which is another reason he was so upset about what happened with Babita. If she had only married him for Minnie but not for herself, then she could leave him for Minnie too one fine day. He would lose both of them in one go, and I think his dialogue confirmed that.... Mhaare jeene ki aakhri umeed.

I could be totally wrong, but this is what I've been feeling. I also felt really bad when Minnie left for college in the morning and kissed Babita but didn't really say much to HS as she would have done in the past.

I think it will be mind-blowing when they reconcile.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I just felt sad when HS yesterday said ki we are partners na? I don't know if Babita can ever truly be a partner to him.....this relationship is very imbalanced and even more so because they have both not clarified to each other why they really married each other.....presumptions pe chal rahe hain.

Also, when HS mentioned to her that it's a lifelong relationship now.....sazaa maan ke kaat lo, ya dosti samajh ke.

I wish aisi soch na hoti shaadi ko lekar....committment is one thing but jab sazaa waali feeling aane lage, toh phir kaisi shaadi? If only Babita had the maturity to reply that she doesn't want to live her life like a sazaa.

But right now he seems to be tackling her abandonment issue....letting her know that he will always be with her but it's upto her whether she wants to spend that time like a sazaa or spend it pleasantly.

@bold... This... I have been feeling this for many months now... Also, when he talked about sazaa vs. dosti, I felt as if he was indirectly referring to himself to a certain extent.

Originally posted by: Jiarao

This actually didn't sit well with me. Her character suddenly seems to grow up too much. May be they want to portray her all mature and loving her parents even when they are chidish. Whatever it may be , it has gone overboard now.

Yes. His fear is visible in his eyes. He is scared if he talked to her, she might actually tell him that she doesn't need a father which he now clearly knows is the truth.

Still I feel , she comes first for him. If she doesn't want a father then what does she want from him? Her mother's happiness. So he will make sure he gives her that.

Yes, this is what I've been feeling too. He wouldn't have been able to tell her what was hurting him if he didn't feel that connection with her still.

He's trying to do his best in the area that he thinks is within his control, being Babita's husband, since he thinks there's a boundary he cannot step over with regards to Minnie and her lack of needing him as a father.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I don’t really get that feeling. He doesn’t want her mother’s happiness only for Mini’s sake. Not like he was so jumpy about the honeymoon just to make Mini happy 😕😆.....clearly he has his own desires as a man that were the factor there. He wanted that for himself and Babita, not to check off some box on Mini’s checklist.

His issue with Mini is seperate from his expectations of married life with Babita. It’s imbalanced right now because he is focused on the latter. He hasn’t prioritized the Mini thing and that is what the story wanted to show....that talk was easy but when it actually came to balancing b/w husband and father, he faltered and hasn’t been able to find his balance yet.

Writers definitely wanted to show Mini as the most mature in all this. Both the adults messed up and still don’t seem to have realized how much they neglected Mini in all this. Lol koi baat nahin, let them enjoy their brief moments of romance for now😆....husband-wife ke relationship ke liye parenting did take a backseat. Despite all the talk of “Mini ke liye, Mini ke liye” Lol

And I think this is normal too, and so Poonam had hinted as well. When kids are grown up parents can relax a bit and put their own needs first sometimes as a couple.

Minnie isn't a little baby so in some cases right now, she can take a backseat for a few days while Hanita sort out their issues. They didn't have a normal marriage or a relationship, and too much is going on the at the moment.

How can they give Minnie anything if they can't deal with each other?

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: yep that seems to be the case for you and many others here 😆

I adore HS but I don’t defend him blindly for everything. I felt for his POV the day of the CD incident but the subsequent episodes proved Mini to be the most mature of the three and the writers successfully managed to make me feel the most bad for her.

Right now also I feel bad for her because she has stepped up when HS didn’t. And he still doesn’t have a realization about it. I know it will come later at some point, but in current state toh that emotional high point of HS’s POV is gone IMO🤷‍♀️

HS has deffo not stepped up as a father or even basic friend to Mini while Mini managed to step up despite being a hurt child. She’s aged since the wedding while HS has floundered on many levels. That is how the writers wanted to play it so some impact had to come through.

Anirudh plays HS fantastically but that doesn’t take away from the truth of how HS didn’t step up for Mini in this phase and I do feel the pinch.

I don't know why HS has been silent but I want to know what he's been thinking since the CD fiasco. Even if he didn't talk about it that day, I would expect him to put aside his paternal concerns and just be her Hanuman Uncle. I know that the first time he expected something from her, his world came crashing but that doesn't mean that he doesn't try or that he doesn't even approach her.

He's the adult here and even if he's hurt he can't let this awkwardness lie between them for long.