Hanuman's emotions for Babita - Page 21

Sorry to interrupt you people..Wanna say this...This thread is beyond words..U people are bringing the emotions in Ur analysis of hidden layers in each character...Love this..I just hope writers bring out all the complexities and solutions..I just forget that this is a serial after reading this one... Had a content feeling..

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Imarti did reform him, but HS needs to realize that the goodness existed inside him to begin with or it wouldn’t have come to the fore.

Perhaps Babita can make him realize that....that his goodness does not hinge only on living up to Imarti’s expectations of him or her vision of the world. Yes, it’s wonderful that Imarti expanded his world view toward feminism and progressive thinking, but it’s weirdly created a complex inside him like he cannot be a good person on his own without Imarti to coach him 😕

He’s strangely turned Imarti into a crutch...whatever intense relationship they shared with the live together, die together vows have sadly crippled him when it really shouldn’t be that way. Imarti didn’t uplift him simply so that he could collapse without her to handle him.

Just like HS has helped Babita accept that she can be unreasonable and complicated, she needs to make him realize that he can be more forgiving of himself.

If HS wasn't genuinely a good person, then he would have never felt guilty of failing to save his mother. Post Imarti's death, he may have been led by her teachings, but the actions he took to honor her were all his own. She didn't rise from the grave or appear in his dreams to tell him what to do. He used his own sensibilities to do what was right.

You're right about him turning Imarti into a crutch. There's no problem in her being his support but if he truly wants to recover, then he needs to put in the effort to help himself. The reason why we're seeing Babita progress is because she's putting in efforts to improve herself. There's only so much that Babita can do if HS himself doesn't want to heal.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I keep coming back to the use of the Amrit Manthan analogy.....it's used so interestingly in the dialogues.

On one side, HS reflects on the fact that Babita has kept so much poison inside herself so many years, it has to be churned out to the surface, and HS will have to ingest it as it comes out of her.....then he also reflects on the fact that he is but a human being, not a God....so how will he live after ingesting all that poison?

It's so sad to think about.....Babita has spent so many years becoming the person she is.....this poison exists inside her....a man who loves her wants to help exorcise it out of her....but in the process, he too will be impacted by that poison....so that by the time the poison comes out of her, he will then instead become the one filled with poison?

And does the fact that both of them have poison inside them make them unworthy of love? Isn't that the whole story of life in a nutshell? Yeh zeher takes turns moving through us....kisi mein badhta hai, kisi mein ghat-ta hai.....it leaves an impact.....you cannot have a permanent rosy existence where no poison can exist because all are good.....as we see in this story, even people as good as HS and Babita can be forced to ingest and live with poison inside them for a myriad of reasons....despite their goodness, or perhaps BECAUSE of it....and the tragic irony being that that poison can then poison their happy relationships too. In a situation like this, you can't really begrudge a person....you can only feel for the overall tragedy of life circumstances for some.

The thought does stay with you that everything leaves a mark....good or bad....no word, no action happens in isolation....somewhere an imprint is left that can morph into different things as time passes.

The first time this analogy was mentioned was by Babita after she had sent Ashok away to London. Then, she was explaining to HS the importance of churning out all the venom so that the nectar could come out. At the time, HS wasn't able to understand what she was saying, and took pleasure in the mango ice cream she had made instead. Babita was jubilant when Ashok had left. That was the first time she had felt truly free and happy. All she wanted was for every second of her life to pass by with her feeling the same way: worry-free, and joyous.

The second time the analogy came up was by HS and it was in a very negative light. It focused intensively on the ingestion of the poison and the damage it can inflict on the people who come into contact with it. Babita is filled to the brim with poison because she kept it suppressed for years. She never released it in any form except for her tears. If she had spoken about what was troubling her then she wouldn't have been so damaged. That being said, no one said that HS needs to keep all that poison within himself. He can express his takleef with Lala or Naeem Bi. He may be hurt by her actions or words but he can point out to Babita where she goes wrong and help her to express herself in a better way. Because of her years of suppression, Babita's emotions are all coming out at once and she's struggling on how to convey them in a balanced and articulate manner.

As you said, the experiences we go through will forever leave an imprint on us whether it's good or bad. Years may pass but some feelings never change. We can come to accept it as a part of our life but a residual of the initial emotion will always remain.

What I found most striking between these analogies was how for Babita, she was focused on the nectar that will eventually gurgle out. That hope for better days, the ever lasting sunshine and wish to be nothing but happy. It's romantic and it can be taken in both ways: a) she's choosing to look at the brighter side of things or b) she's being too idealistic and isn't paying attention to all the hard work that needs to be put in. HS on the other hand, was heavily focused on the venomous side of the analogy. He knows how much work will have to be put it and what the price will be for those better days. A balance needs to be maintained. In Hanita too, they are embodying a balanced equation: HS with the churning of the venom and Babita with the nectar.

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

The first time this analogy was mentioned was by Babita after she had sent Ashok away to London. Then, she was explaining to HS the importance of churning out all the venom so that the nectar could come out. At the time, HS wasn't able to understand what she was saying, and took pleasure in the mango ice cream she had made instead. Babita was jubilant when Ashok had left. That was the first time she had felt truly free and happy. All she wanted was for every second of her life to pass by with her feeling the same way: worry-free, and joyous.

What I found most striking between these analogies was how for Babita, she was focused on the nectar that will eventually gurgle out. That hope for better days, the ever lasting sunshine and wish to be nothing but happy. It's romantic and it can be taken in both ways: a) she's choosing to look at the brighter side of things or b) she's being too idealistic and isn't paying attention to all the hard work that needs to be put in. HS on the other hand, was heavily focused on the venomous side of the analogy. He knows how much work will have to be put it and what the price will be for those better days. A balance needs to be maintained. In Hanita too, they are embodying a balanced equation: HS with the churning of the venom and Babita with the nectar.

Maybe I need to rewatch the mango ice cream scene again but I don’t recall Babita using the phrase Amrit manthan there.

I do recall her giving the analogy of flavors and saying that she wants to taste the main flavor of mango in the ice cream without cramming other flavors into it....the symbolism felt like it was about a yearning to move beyond a hodgepodge of flavors and get to the core pure flavor within...trying to say that life has so many flavors that it throws at us, but sometimes we want to focus on the unadulterated...in this case, the flavor of mango without any adulteration of other flavors to take away from the taste of mango in the ice cream. I think she gave the analogy of the churning cream to bring out the flavor.

The Amrit Manthan analogy is different....HS didn’t choose to focus on the poison, that is the basis of the Amrit manthan Story...you have to ingest the poison to get to the Amrit....so he used the direct analogy that way....the ice cream flavor case was a bit different I think

But I do understand the general point you are trying to make about the balance HB are trying to embody.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Completely agree, and I also think that he doesn't give himself enough credit. To remain cheerful and optimistic about the world, to mentor mother-daughter, etc and not become cynical despite the tragedies he faced is indeed commendable.

Minnie was referring to this during the Imarti track when she was telling him that he was a good man, he always had been. She somehow knew he was battling with his self-doubt and she could not stand the way he was suffering by hurting himself. Self-flagelation indeed. More to come on that I suppose.

I am just really excited to see how it works out. Can't wait for these deep dark emotions to be explored. 😃

Started alreayd with today's episode .. watch it when u can and share your thoughts .. i am waiting to hear your analysis .. especially the ones pertaining to hs

Originally posted by: sanam912

Started alreayd with today's episode .. watch it when u can and share your thoughts .. i am waiting to hear your analysis .. especially the ones pertaining to hs

I'm traveling this week so not sure if I can do an analysis but will definitely put some thoughts down once I watch the episode. Thanks for the message.

Originally posted by: inlieu

I'm traveling this week so not sure if I can do an analysis but will definitely put some thoughts down once I watch the episode. Thanks for the message.

Oops didnt know ..

No worries .. no compulsion

Originally posted by: inlieu

I'm traveling this week so not sure if I can do an analysis but will definitely put some thoughts down once I watch the episode. Thanks for the message.

Have fun Jean! Will miss you. 🤗

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

Have fun Jean! Will miss you. 🤗

Thanks. I was a bit upset I'd be missing a lot of interesting episodes but from what I hear about today's one I haven't missed a whole load.

Originally posted by: dellaakdha

Sorry to interrupt you people..Wanna say this...This thread is beyond words..U people are bringing the emotions in Ur analysis of hidden layers in each character...Love this..I just hope writers bring out all the complexities and solutions..I just forget that this is a serial after reading this one... Had a content feeling..

Thanks so much dear and thanks to AreYaar for starting it.