Men and Women - Page 3

Originally posted by: guddi01

HS a flawed Character. Where did you get that from. Apart from his run in with Babita for those 2 lines, where can you enlighten us is the flawed part pls.

He has a trouble saying sorry. It takes a huge blow to his ego.

Initial episodes, he blasted Babita and he was wrong. Mini asked him to apologize which he didn't. Later came in did apologize but you could see it doesn't come easily. Recently when she asked for apology for his words, he did but he didn't like so. He was very hurt that he had to apologize. His reaction was little over.

He also has residing anger. It comes out when he is triggered.

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

He has a trouble saying sorry. It takes a huge blow to his ego.

Initial episodes, he blasted Babita and he was wrong. Mini asked him to apologize which he didn't. Later came in did apologize but you could see it doesn't come easily. Recently when she asked for apology for his words, he did but he didn't like so. He was very hurt that he had to apologize. His reaction was little over.

He also has residing anger. It comes out when he is triggered.

Also, he found it difficult to salute Babita in his imagination, not that it's a flaw but I believe that he doesn't respect her yet. His love stems from sympathy for her and her struggles and some from their fight against the society - something he couldn't do. I want to see if he really loves her as a person, that is, when she's relieved of every sorrow and her true personality shines - will he be able to love her the same way?

(All of this was majorly pointed out by Jean and others here)

Originally posted by: inlieu

Completely agree with everything you said. I have been saying the same thing for a while but you have articulated in a beautiful way. Glad to find someone else on the same page as I. HS is a flawed character but I love him regardless. The whole andar ki aag, andar ka rakshas was something that we saw glimpses of but was shutdown before we saw much of it. There has to be a reason why he wanted to push mother-daughter away and feared for them, something which I believe we are yet to see and will surface in an interesting way in future.

I have always wanted to see a track where HS has to come to terms with who he is as a Babita's life partner and how he views himself as a man in love with his second wife, understanding and learning to be more at ease with his emotions for her, without taking anything away from his feelings for Imarti. She was his first love, and her tragic death immortalized her in a way that will never quite set him free. I am not sure if they are going to show him reconcile his guilt in depth - this is something that widows/widowers struggle with in real life when moving on with a new spouse so I do hope our show gives it the necessary time and space. It's not just about HS' growth/journey, it's their journey as husband wife from here on whether they do indeed have a chance to be each other's sukh dukh ke saathi.

There was another show many years ago that explored these themes of guilt about moving on with a new spouse, how a person reconciles loving both late and current spouses and how they view the world once they reach that point of equilibrium, but I expect this show can take it to a whole new level. I know people keep saying this is Babita's journey but I think it's also his journey towards redemption and setting himself free of many of his demons of the past. His issues with his mother's death and abusive father are also yet to be explored.

I also feel that he's struggling to understand how he could love another woman with all he has, especially one so different from Imarti, when he had previously thought that you could love like that only once in life. Babita and Minnie surprise him and they make him reevaluate his life and his decisions, challenge his thought process indirectly in ways no one probably has. As we have said previously on the forum Babita needs to reach that point where she can step up and be the support that he needs and I think once he feels she is ready to be more a giver he will open up slowly. He does not expresses his emotions so easily in the sense that he knows and talks about what they are but not how they are.

I do hope to see more of your posts here!

Word! 👏🏻👏🏻 You’ve described it perfectly!

Hanuman just has so many shades to him. So much more to him than meets the eye. I feel he’s overcompensated after living through the tragedy of Imarti’s death...he tries extra hard to put on a happy affable face, encourage and motivate everyone around him....but there are still wounds inside him that need to heal.

He’s such a giver, just like Babita is....but he also feels burdened in his own way....a burden he isn’t able to share clearly with everyone. As you said, he talks a lot about emotions, but when it comes to himself, he isn’t able to express them that easily. There is a fear inside him of truly making himself that vulnerable again.

I find it so moving that he is scared but still craves that Babita understands him, gives him that love, that haq over her. That is what they both crave actually. To have someone in their life that gives them a sense of belonging...he wants Babita to claim him for herself....so many of their arguments give a glimpse into these emotions...where they both have the same complaints....aap ne mujhe haq nahin diya, aap ne mujhe samjha nahin. It’s moving...how much they both crave that, even though they both hold back in fear.

I consider this show to be a journey of all three main characters- Babita, Mini and Hanuman....they are all evolving as their bonding with each other evolves....they are charting such a beautiful path of rich human emotion.

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

Ha ha. Welcome to Binge-watching club. I saw your siggies and I understood, we are on same page. I also recently finished watching show in it's entirety. In awe of writers and the world they have created. So refreshing on Indian TV. *touchwood*

HS is not perfect. His imperfections are also adorable though. But he is what we can get as nearly perfect in aspect of being a feminist male lead that I have seen. His views and opinions about Women empowerment and independence is so refreshing and thought provoking. He believes in equality and truly follows. His actions reflect them so sincerely.

And, I agree with everything that you have said.

I absolutely agree. HS was never perfect, but that does not take away from what an amazingly progressive character he is. Most characters on TV just pay lip service in the name of feminism. HS’s viewpoints matched his actions.

Who even wants a perfect human being? That creates unrealistic expectations that burden people. Look at Babita’s case - living with the burden of being expected to be perfect.

What I love about HS is his honesty...his ability to be brutally honest about societal roles, gender norms....his ability to honestly self introspect even when he makes mistakes....

He has many issues like his temper, his own ego....but at the base of it all is his ability to introspect eventually and not hesitate to make amends.

His capacity for love is immense. I also find his impulsiveness endearing. He can hold on to stubbornness for a long time and then melt in a moment of impulse....he’s all heart.

Originally posted by: Mishti_Dahi

Also, he found it difficult to salute Babita in his imagination, not that it's a flaw but I believe that he doesn't respect her yet. His love stems from sympathy for her and her struggles and some from their fight against the society - something he couldn't do. I want to see if he really loves her as a person, that is, when she's relieved of every sorrow and her true personality shines - will he be able to love her the same way?

(All of this was majorly pointed out by Jean and others here)

I would disagree with that assessment.

I don’t think it’s that he doesn’t respect her. The saluting thing in his imagination was him pulling rank on her in imagination.

It’s also not fair to characterize his love only being based on sympathy. I definitely don’t think that’s how he feels. Sympathy doesn’t create attraction. This characterization makes his love sound like pity for her.

If he didn’t respect her, he wouldn’t expect so much from her. He holds her to a high standard precisely because he respects the courage inside her. Respect isn’t centered around being able to salute someone. He’s expressed his respect in so many other ways....respect for her strength, her compassion.

He very much sees every new facet of her personality and still loves her, so I don’t think it’s a question of him needing to see the real Babita to be able to love her.

What he has is his own pride and ego. But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t respect her.

Originally posted by: sanam912

Completely in agreement with you here .. I am still in the middle of my slow paced binge watching so won't be able to comment on Arc developments here ..

But my overall 2 cents are all the characters shown especially the principal ones are flawed characters. Neither of them are mahaan/perfect in any way ..

Sometimes we just get so blinded in our for love for a character/actor that we start seeing more flaws in other characters/actors ..

If we see the differences in these characters portrayed .. Minnie/HS are expressive - very obvious in the way they showcase their expressions, move their hand, smile/cry hence we find them portraying loads of emotions .. Whereas, Babita is extremely subtle in showcasing her emotions .. That is her character .. someone who bottles up her emotions inside and only lets it out in the most subdued manner .. This is very hard !!

As far as character growth is concerned .. Hanuman has come a long way already (still has a long way to cover) .. But Babita is just starting out .. and she will need all that love & support to become more confident .. It takes a lot of effort to become more confident and take decisions independently .. We have seen her rise up to defend but that frequency will also increase with time .. We don't grow to be confident overnight ..

Minnie is a duck .. calm above the water but constantly juggling underneath ..

Not the best person to articulate like you guys .. but loved how you wrote and peeled off their layers..

You have expressed it beautifully yaar👏🏻👏🏻

I especially LOVE your description for Mini. Seeming so in charge and control on the surface but paddling beneath the surface. There is a lot yet to explore with her characterization too.

And word on how you’ve described what it takes to develop that confidence....especially for a person who hasn’t known how to express herself all her life. I think it’s beautiful to see Babita blooming by by bit

Her haunted eyes say so much....there is a reason that both Mini and Hanuman crave to see that happiness on her face so much...because those eyes undo both of them....seeing her spread her wings slowly makes both of them feel like they are flying with her.