Explaination Please.. - Page 3

I have alot to say but i’m so sleepy rn. I’m gonna be back when i’m wake and hopefully will remember what i wanted to say in the first place.

Originally posted by: davos

Eh...I think this time around it really is different.You are just assuming way too many things right out of the gate.

And also of course once they reunite the focus will be on their lovestory. some of the focus will be on their kids too but this show primarily works because of Abhi-pragya's lovestory.

How am I making assumptions, when each time they have showed that when abhigya are together and a problem comes/ things go wrong abhi’s resorts to insulting/ accusing Pragya. It’s a pattern that the writers have shown which will continue even this time if they get together unless they show abhi’s introspection on how he has treated Pragya and him realising his approach and treatment is wrong. I’m merely making suggestion on how I want their relationship and more so abhi’s character to progress blatantly based on how they have shown each of their tracks so far, because he did this at dadi’s death, then kiara’s, so that wouldn’t stop writers from showing abhi behave the same way again if they unite again unless writers decide now is the time that abhi and pragya’s relationship and their dynamics including abhi’s behaviour should be shown changing for the better.

Originally posted by: sammy17

How am I making assumptions, when each time they have showed that when abhigya are together and a problem comes/ things go wrong abhi’s resorts to insulting/ accusing Pragya. It’s a pattern that the writers have shown which will continue even this time if they get together unless they show abhi’s introspection on how he has treated Pragya and him realising his approach and treatment is wrong. I’m merely making suggestion on how I want their relationship and more so abhi’s character to progress blatantly based on how they have shown each of their tracks so far, because he did this at dadi’s death, then kiara’s, so that wouldn’t stop writers from showing abhi behave the same way again if they unite again unless writers decide now is the time that abhi and pragya’s relationship and their dynamics including abhi’s behaviour should be shown changing for the better.

As long as Abhigya's toxic relationship brings trps, we shall not hope for anything better or even good. It took pragya 200+ episodes to grow a spine and stand up for her herself infront of tannu and aliyah cause in the beggining she was just another useless female lead tortured by the immortals of bala land. The most disgusting one being when Tannu and aliyah clicked her pictures with her friend in a compromising state and Abhi just threw her out if the house ( his usual go to move ) . Now I've mentioned so many times that I'm neither team pragya nor abhi. I know people are all flawed and nobody's perfect but these dumbelina's are parents of 20 years olds and I bet they'll repeat the same mistakes again ( they already are actually ). As you said love alone is not enough. A realtionship is supported by the pillars of trust, respect, love and commitment and Abhigya's RS or anyones as a matter of fact cannot survive on just love. Why I like pranbir more than abhi anf pragya as characters is because Prachi unlike pragya actually speaks for herself ( the cliff scene where rhea miffed her she actually reacted how I would have instead of being a crybaby ). I'll stop here as it's getting too long

Originally posted by: sammy17

How am I making assumptions, when each time they have showed that when abhigya are together and a problem comes/ things go wrong abhi’s resorts to insulting/ accusing Pragya. It’s a pattern that the writers have shown which will continue even this time if they get together unless they show abhi’s introspection on how he has treated Pragya and him realising his approach and treatment is wrong. I’m merely making suggestion on how I want their relationship and more so abhi’s character to progress blatantly based on how they have shown each of their tracks so far, because he did this at dadi’s death, then kiara’s, so that wouldn’t stop writers from showing abhi behave the same way again if they unite again unless writers decide now is the time that abhi and pragya’s relationship and their dynamics including abhi’s behaviour should be shown changing for the better.

Dude. You have no idea what they have planned for Abhi-Pragya this time around. so you are making assumptions. You think ab when they are 50 years old or so...Abhi will resort to all the shit he did before? There has been an arc to Abhi's chacarcter post the leap. He's considerably mature and he is on a path to redemption. You are refusing to see that growth and you are just going on your own diatribe about Abhi in general.

Originally posted by: Chashmish786

As long as Abhigya's toxic relationship brings trps, we shall not hope for anything better or even good. It took pragya 200+ episodes to grow a spine and stand up for her herself infront of tannu and aliyah cause in the beggining she was just another useless female lead tortured by the immortals of bala land. The most disgusting one being when Tannu and aliyah clicked her pictures with her friend in a compromising state and Abhi just threw her out if the house ( his usual go to move ) . Now I've mentioned so many times that I'm neither team pragya nor abhi. I know people are all flawed and nobody's perfect but these dumbelina's are parents of 20 years olds and I bet they'll repeat the same mistakes again ( they already are actually ). As you said love alone is not enough. A realtionship is supported by the pillars of trust, respect, love and commitment and Abhigya's RS or anyones as a matter of fact cannot survive on just love. Why I like pranbir more than abhi anf pragya as characters is because Prachi unlike pragya actually speaks for herself ( the cliff scene where rhea miffed her she actually reacted how I would have instead of being a crybaby ). I'll stop here as it's getting too long

You've got to be kidding me. Prachi and Ranbir are different? Abhigya scenes are being copy pasted for them. so please give me a break.

I don't know from where you guys got the idea that Pragya was a doormat. Initially yes. After that, Pragya stood up for herself plenty of times and cut Alia/Tanu off plenty of times. And in more dire circumstances. If you can't remember any of them, then its just too bad. Its not her problem that the writers write the show in such a way that the negative characters are always around. Blame them for it.

I'm back and I actually remember what i was going to say.

Wow - the debate here got intense. I never expected that it would.

I do think both characters are flawed but Abhi more so than Pragya. At least Pragya has real reason for her behaviour where as Abhi is just flawed by character and hasn't really grown in that sense. A near 1500 episodes and the guy always misunderstands Pragya or convientely blames her for all the shit that goes wrong in his life when she isn't even at fault because she is a convenient scapegoat or maybe because he has the most expectations from her so her actions always hurt him the most.

He takes her for granted in the sense that he always expects her to understand him but never tries to do that for her. Example - after the 7 year leap, he blamed her for not coming back, for moving one citing that he waited for her. Did he try looking for her? No. He still blamed her and magnanimously portrayed he was willing to forget everything to be with her when she was never at fault to begin with so his so called forgiveness didn't even make sense.

In terms of Pragya keeping Kiara away - she didn't want to do that initially. She wanted to tell him and was only waiting for his anger to cool down. Only even months after kicking her out, he was spewing out spiteful words publicly out of his exasperating arrogance and inability to take back his words or stance. When she saw his interview, that when she decided she won't tell him about the child because she couldn't bear him calling their child a mistake and turning away from it, which under the circumstances, with how much hate he was spewing seemed likely.

i don't know why people think the idea of Abhi keeping their child away from Pragya is ludicrous, he is entirely capable of that. Didn't he marry Pragya for revenge blinded by his sister's love. Essentially when he makes up his mind up about something, he doesn't care to find if he's right or wrong, he follows through with it. Given how hateful he was at the time, i think he was capable of taking their daughter away from Pragya. He did it with the twins, didn't he? A baby that is just a few days old needs their mother more than anyone and that's a fact but he did it. And he has never mentioned Pragya in front of Rhea. He still thinks that she should have come back and resents her for not doing so. But reasonably, no one in her place would.

(The writing of his character is inconsistent btw which is why it makes is character so annoying and ridiculous at times.)

Also Pragya later kept Kiara away from him because of Tanu and Aliya not because of him. She was under the impression that Tanu was married to him, if he were to be a part of Kiara's life, they would inevitably be a part of her life too and Pragya from her own experience, knew that the two wouldn't/ couldn't tolerate anyone else having Abhi's attention. She was afraid that they might end up harming Kiara to hurt her and separate them.

(Her fears did come true ultimately - another reason why it makes sense that she is keeping Prachi away from him. She doesn't want to repeat her mistakes again.)

Not to mention the drama associated with the Mehra's would distrub her daughter's life. From a mother's perspective who wanted to protect her daughter and kept her as a priority, her decision makes sense. It's not fair but her daughter's life triumphed everything for her. That being said, it isn't thats she didn't want him to be a part of Kiara's life. She did but she didn't feel like she could have him in their life.

Will continue in the next post.

Pt 2.

The biggest issue between them is lack of communication.

When they got married before the leap, they never talked about the 7 years before, never sorted out what separated them in the first place, which is why Abhi so easily brought up Dadi's death again.

He thought he was the bigger person for just forgetting everything and accepting Pragya back in his life because he loved her. They never talked about it because he wanted to burry everything in the past and just move forward but you can't overcome a problem by burrying it.

He never tried to find out what Pragya went through in the 7 years without him, Pragya never told him because she naturally didn't want to hurt him but he should have known that she tried to commit suicide because of him and why she actually decided not to tell him about Kiara and her actual fears. She did mention them a little but never went into details. It would have shown him why she trusts King so much, who until then had given her no reason whatsoever to doubt him btw.

I'm sorry but tell me what more does it take for someone to trust a person who has literally borne their inhumane behaviour, who willingly let go of him and forgive for an extramarital affair, who bore their and everyone else's hatred to save them for their enemies which consisted of their own family member, who lost her sister, lost her adopted sister too, nearly lost her mother, nearly died a dozen times trying to save him, walked away from him for his health and was shot herself in the attempt to save his life? Wasn't he aware of all the shit Pragya did to save him from Simonika? And he blamed her for Dadi's death which at the worst can only be counted as a mistake on Pragya's part (It wasn't even that) but he marries the woman who literally, intentionally tried harming him and his family. Why? For a promise that he made to her mother, forgetting everything his Dadi ever said to him about Pragya. Wow...

In terms of Kiara's death, the reason why Pragya was shown to be stressed out partly was because Abhi was keeping things from her. He wasn't telling her what was going on and that would piss off any parent. She felt like she couldn't trust him to be honest about their daughter in that moment and no parent, no mother can sit idle without doing anything while their child is missing. If he had just told her the truth, she would have at least felt included which she didn't feel.

Yes, Pragya was emotional and thinking emotionally where as Abhi for the most part was thinking rationally but lack of information always makes it worse.

Everyone in the world knows that a mother's bond with the child is deeper than that of a father - it's just natural and to top it off, she actually raised Kiara. I can understand the pain of losing what you'd just gotten but to have lost something you've nurtured is so much worse. For a mother, who has literally carried that child in her body, it's like having a part of yourself cut off.

Also Pragya's accusations weren't even baseless. they were actually true - Nikhil and Tanu were in their life because of him.

And.. just a few episodes ago he was talking about how Pragya had just had a surgery and was weak, he forgot all of that in an instant. The woman had just given birth prematurely, her hormones were out of wack and she'd lost her daughter. He couldn't take the one time she threw an accusation at him when she's taken so much shit from him over the years. I understand emotions running high in the moment but what about afterwards. He knew she walked out without anything, in her weak state. how did it never occur to him to find her, to at least ensure for his other child's sake that she was okay?

The problem is Abhi goes through this process of regretting his decision, tries to bring Pragya back in to his life because he needs her, and eventually repeats the same thing all over again when a new problem hits again.

I am dead sure that somewhere along the line, when Abhi and Pragya are together again and something goes wrong in their daughter's life, he will once again misunderstand her.

Originally posted by: davos

You've got to be kidding me. Prachi and Ranbir are different? Abhigya scenes are being copy pasted for them. so please give me a break.

I don't know from where you guys got the idea that Pragya was a doormat. Initially yes. After that, Pragya stood up for herself plenty of times and cut Alia/Tanu off plenty of times. And in more dire circumstances. If you can't remember any of them, then its just too bad. Its not her problem that the writers write the show in such a way that the negative characters are always around. Blame them for it.

I'm not talking about scenes but characters. The thing that everyone think is coppied is actually the tu-tu main-main and this trope is not something Abhigya has copyright over. It's almost every other ITV show's couple specially ekta's.

And I've seen so many people justify main lead's action by using the " blame writers not her/him" like, really ? So who's responsible for the negative characters ? Actors ? No, they're also written by the very same writers as you mentioned and there's no use of blaming writers whenever it's convinient and blaming the characters other times.

And you're write I don't remember much of Abhigya cause I literally stopped watching the show after 120 episodes.

Originally posted by: davos

Dude. You have no idea what they have planned for Abhi-Pragya this time around. so you are making assumptions. You think ab when they are 50 years old or so...Abhi will resort to all the shit he did before? There has been an arc to Abhi's chacarcter post the leap. He's considerably mature and he is on a path to redemption. You are refusing to see that growth and you are just going on your own diatribe about Abhi in general.

First of all, abhi hasn't been shown improving at all. The same way he acted after dadi's death with pragya, he did with pragya again when it came to kiara's death. Both times accused and insulted her, that too he threw back the accusation of dadi's death in her face again. Now once again after being separated from pragya he is again pining for her the same way he did during the other separation track, so when he keeps blaming pragya and until writers don't show him realising he was wrong to accuse and hurt pragya all the time, there will be no improvement in him and he can continue blaming her even after they unite again. And secondly growth is not crying over being separated from pragya and praising her in front of other people in her absence. Growth is reflecting on mistakes, actively wanting to rectify those mistakes, then being determined to not make those mistakes again, which unless abhi is shown doing this time around when they reunite, pragya will simply be going back to abhi and forgiving his mistakes at the risk of him getting angry at her again at a later date and throwing the same old accusations at her again. He needs to realise he was wrong to accuse pragya of dadi's death all these years and that she was at no fault first of all if he is sincere.

And another thing, if we are going to talk about who is refusing what here, then it is you that is refusing to see the lack of growth I am seeing in abhigya's relationship or rather abhi's behaviour towards pragya with each time he reunites with her, you are the one refusing to take any criticism over their relationship dynamics or abhi's behaviour, and on top of it you are now lecturing me and telling me for the second time to not make assumptions based on clear patterns I have seen in abhigya's relationship that has been repeated. Don't tell me what I can't write about, especially when there are no restriction against making assumptions and speculations at all on india forums. Literally nobody can make any bit of constructive criticism on this forum now about abhi's behaviour or lack of progress in his treatment of pragya without you jumping and subtly trying to imply to critics like me that criticising abhigya is off limits. I'll say whatever the jolly well I want to and I'm not here to make you happy by avoiding to criticise abhi or his relationship with pragya simply because you'll get on the defense and refuse all criticism, especially when the criticism is founded on strong grounds based on what has been shown in the show time and time again.

If you have a problem with members speculating or making assumptions on abhigya's relationship and questioning whether or not there has been any progress in abhi, but also just anybody critcising abhigya in general, you are free to report me to moderators if you want if you think making assumptions is off limits. Just so sick and tired of having to read the same type of rude, consistently defensive and unwelcoming comments from you whenever I post valid constructive criticism about abhigya. I ignore you as much as I possibly can when in every discussion thread you make sure to mention in at least one comment how uninterested you are in new gen, like I know you don't like new gen, I have heard you loud and clear numerous times and that's your preference, but stop with trying to pounce on people for critiquing abhi's character and acting like all their points made against abhi based on the similar pattern of behaviour he has shown throughout the show are all irrelevant and as if only praise for abhi/ abhigya is acceptable to you. You don't like new gen? Fine, nobody is forcing you to, but similarly I neither like or can stand how abhi treats pragya. It sickens and infuriates me.

I'm not going to come on to this forum only to sing praises for a character I don't like now am I and if I think abhi's character and the way he treats pragya needs to be shown improvement, what exactly is your problem with that? Nothing un-called for about wanting to see abhi actually learn to see his mistakes and stop using his wife as a scapegoat to all his problems. And yeah, I'll continue to make assumptions about what will happen, because we can. I'm only criticising a fictional character for goodness sake.

LoL what a let down it is for me to come on this forum everyday to feel like I can't say anything except singing praise for abhigya's relationship if I want to have a peaceful time here, and good god if I even dare to mention how abhi mistreats pragya and emotionally abuses her the moment he gets mad at her and that he refuses to change this repetitive behaviour of his, then I've committed a real crime on this forum apparently.

If to me abhi crying for pragya at every separation track is not progress for abhi's character in my books and I am hoping to see a different kind of progress that isn't just the same old crying and pining, how are you going to sit there and tell me that i am refusing to see the growth in his character? Like what? No, I can't see the growth in his character that I want to see that's why, and I outlined what it is that I want that progress in abhi to be like twice now on this post and each time you told me I'm apparently refusing to see his progress. If it's not there for me, it's not, don't try and patronise me by telling me I'm refusing to see a change in abhi's character when what I want in terms of progress in abhi is different from what you want.

Hahahaha diatribe of mine against abhi? Abhi isn't my ex-boyfriend/ ex-husband for me to make personal attacks against him with an intentionally hateful agenda. He's a character with flaws to criticise. And if that's the accusation you are going to make against me, then what do you call saying "I hate new gen/ I have no interest in new gen" in almost every comment you make in topics? A diatribe is what that is, as you said to me. How petty do you have to be to take criticism for a character so personally that you have to resort to accusing attacking members like this? Geez!