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Posted: 7 years ago
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Before we go hard on Suhasini Dadi, I would only like to raise 1 question - Why is wishing for a boy stated to be wrong ?

Just because in India , girl child's are killed off, we put a person in gender biasedness category , the moment they wish the child to be a son and hail a person who wishes for a girl. .



After all its just a wish .


Suhasini Dadi wants a boy grandchild but her reasoning has always been clear - age old thoughts of family roots going further.



She has never said that if a girl comes she would kill her off or not love her .


Since she doesn't have knowledge she feels that if They can get to know things before, you can make the gender change with Puja and eating prasads.


This is lack of knowledge and not plan to kill a girl child.



Karthik and Naira needs to sit and explain her , that feeding babooti might harm the child (as she has nevet been shown to be trying to harm the child ) and once a child comes in tummy , you cannot change the gender.



But showing her to be extremely wrong just because she wishes for a boy is wrong.


It's a shame on CV's to write so poorly on such a sensitive matter .
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Many have preferences that they want a baby girl or boy, depending on what siblings they have. That is not wrong. I wouldn't find it wrong if kartik says I want a baby girl like u naira or naira says I want a boy like u Kartik.
But according to me in Goenka family there r luvkush, who r still young boys. I notice usually if the household had all female children they wish they had a boy child or if all male children at home they wish they had a female. That is a common wishing.
Dadi wish is pathological. She did say I don't want a girl, i need only a boy as heir and for salvation. Who knows with her kind of thinking , in real life when they believe they will have only one child can force abortion or do illegal stuff.
To say she has lack of knowledge is wrong. She was a businesswoman who took care of Goenkas before Manish took over. She has become so blind in her love for male child.

There is no point in defending her. She was always scolding Kirti that girls can't play games, can't dance( also to naira), get back to abusive husband, can't do business etc etc


And kaira have no problem with girl child, how can she go behind their back to do illegal stuff, sex determination is a banned in India. This makes it not even give a thought of her pov.


The last point I would make is , the baby is kaira s and they have more right on it than her
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: butterfly45

Many have preferences that they want a baby girl or boy, depending on what siblings they have. That is not wrong. I wouldn't find it wrong if kartik says I want a baby girl like u naira or naira says I want a boy like u Kartik.

But according to me in Goenka family there r luvkush, who r still young boys. I notice usually if the household had all female children they wish they had a boy child or if all male children at home they wish they had a female. That is a common wishing.
Dadi wish is pathological. She did say I don't want a girl, i need only a boy as heir and for salvation. Who knows with her kind of thinking , in real life when they believe they will have only one child can force abortion or do illegal stuff.
To say she has lack of knowledge is wrong. She was a businesswoman who took care of Goenkas before Manish took over. She has become so blind in her love for male child.

There is no point in defending her. She was always scolding Kirti that girls can't play games, can't dance( also to naira), get back to abusive husband, can't do business etc etc


And kaira have no problem with girl child, how can she go behind their back to do illegal stuff, sex determination is a banned in India. This makes it not even give a thought of her pov.


The last point I would make is , the baby is kaira s and they have more right on it than her


@blue - since this is not shown, I won't assume it .

Yes ! She has said she doesn't want a girl child but she also said that Pandit ji said that if they get to know things on time, they can take steps which can change the gender.


So the scenario is simple currently - she wants to do hawan - puja, and feed Naira with Prasads like babbooti which would change the gender.

This is clearly Lack of knowledge.

If they show that she would say that nothing can happen then I will kill the child, then I can say she is bad but till now I can only see poor knowledge.


@violet - Her differentiation between a boy and a girl was just the ones which we all go through in the hands of our family members. Nothing major !

Coz if it would have been major she wouldn't have sent Maansi all alone to a foreign location to get her education. Her thinking is age old but she isn't very regressive too. They are the ones which can be explained and make her make do with it.


But the point is , did she not love both her grand daughters ?


She scolded Keerthi to take care of Aditya but when she got to know the reality of Aditya, did she allow Keerthi to go back ?


Yes ! She was in a dilemma whether to break the relation or not which for once every elder gets into if they are put into such situation as they try t o think and understand the matter from all angles - society, family and person.

She did send Keerthi for a talk on Aditya's request as she was in a dilemma but did she allow Keerthy to go back, NO !


She has never been against girls business coz it has been shown time and again her younger DIL was an event manager and her elder DIL helped her husband in Business, which they do not show now anymore but when Goenkas were introduced , this is how it was.


She objected to Naira as she felt dance was a demeaning profession (and trust me even now any career out of office is not appreciated much till you don't get a Bumper success in it)


She objected to Keerthi's business immediately as it was her 2nd marriage and she wanted her to strengthen her relations with in-laws before dividing her attention somewhere else.
Edited by abhilasha_dream - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Then whats Ur say on illegal sex determination?? Is it not wrong??
I would bsaybin the serial they have tried to make people to sympathize with dadi.

Doing sex determination or any why helping that happen ( like Manish ) is a crime.


I find her very regressive. And yesterday I re-watched few old episodes and that does help me see anything good in her anyways
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Posted: 7 years ago
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yep i think what they are trying to promote is that we should just hope the baby is healthy
and by showing kaira's preference towards a girl baby etc they are still being gender biased in a sense
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: butterfly45

Then whats Ur say on illegal sex determination?? Is it not wrong??

I would bsaybin the serial they have tried to make people to sympathize with dadi.

Doing sex determination or any why helping that happen ( like Manish ) is a crime.


I find her very regressive. And yesterday I re-watched few old episodes and that does help me see anything good in her anyways



Sex determination done to kill a baby is wrong otherwise it's not.


In foreign a child's gender is told to the parents so that they can choose a name and do rest of the preparations accordingly , so are they wrong ? NO


As they save a parent from lots of hassles.


Similarly , being regressive doesn't mean she is cruel, coz she hasn't talked about getting Naira to abort the baby but her belief in her pandit to change the gender.



If we remove Manish from the picture , Dadi's words only points towards her wish and lack of knowledge that once a child is incepted nothing can be done with it.


Manish being educated should have stopped her and explained her stuffs but it's surprising that he believes in his mother's methods and to support his dream of a grandson jumps into the bandwagon instead of trying to explain her.



CV's needs to be more clear with their dialogues if they want us to belive that Dadi is wrong .


Right now she is looking stupid to me and not a villain



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Wishing for a boy or girl is not wrong...but saying "No we don't want girl child" or saying "No we don't want boy child" is wrong...even if someone's DIL won't be able to have second child...its wrong!...because there are several several people who don't have children...its like questioning God's will...Its not in people's hand to decide baby's gender...God decided for number of children for couple, their gender...He knows better...trying to go against nature that also against wish of female who is going to give birth or wish of couple who are going to become parents is extremely wrong...baby is not an object to be replaced...or having baby or not itself is couple choice...they have first right on decisions relevant to their baby...(not in all cases) having a corrupt, arrogant, rude or ruthless son or a spoiled brat taking heritage forward is a "sign of pride"?...heritage being taken forward by male child is a sign of pride?...Having a disabled child by going against nature's law is sign of pride? Do Maheswari's compelled Varsha to have boy child to take their family's name forwards?...KD know she can't compel Kaira...so she is doing what she does best...the way she stole conk for "moh" of baby boy...she can do anything illegal like mixing something in food of DIL without her knowledge to change baby's gender...KD like people exist but they are never considered RIGHT by other generations...I've seen old couple being insulted and thrown out of house by their boy child and their 6 girl children giving them shelter...its a living example I see infront me...that lady repeatedly say...I wish I never wished or go to extreme levels for a baby boy...still I would say wishing is not wrong...but demanding a couple to MUST have a boy/girl child against their wish is wrong...if God decided the gender of baby to be girl/boy trying to change it is wrong...what if people's desperation to have baby boy...give them baby boy but not normal healthy baby boy?...a couple underwent fertility treatment doctor told them girl can have one child only that also with complications...they had baby girl...but due to elders compelling them to have baby boy they had second pregnancy...baby boy was born with developmental abnormalities...he is still dependent on his parents even for essential things...its all about perspectives...I have been surrounded by people even my great grand mother wasn't this regressive...I've no brother so faced no gender discrimination...my uncles give example of family's girls to their sons...so my perspective is developed according to that...my grand father wept like KD to have girl child but he didn't say "I only want girl child" or "I don't want male child"...for me what's wrong is wrong...even if KD did all that to change baby boy's gender I would consider it wrong...being elder is not a criteria to be always right...if elders are doing wrong than keeping quiet and let it be is like promoting wrong doing...not everything can be justified by "all elders are like that"...there is no generalization...as all elders are not regressive few are quite sane and wise...ppl in life experience facing such regressive elders that doesn't make every other elder regressive...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Intentions! Intentions and mindset are a big factor here. Lots of couples when they are expecting say whether they want a boy or girl either without any real fundamental reason or with a cute and sentimental reasoning, or even because they've already had a child/ children of one sex so now want a child of another sex.
However, despite saying they would like it to be a boy or girl, in the end they would be just as happy with the mere birth of a child.

However, here, in the case of dadi-manish, things are very very different. Here its an exceptionally patriarchal and almost slightly backwards reasoning alongside a strong stance on wanting a boy very specifically with the idea that a boy will be an asset for them in comparison to a girl.

On one hand they are showing themselves to be adamant on wanting a boy specifically just for the sake of a family and business heir, which is a totally selfish and backwards reasoning may I say, whilst on the other hand saying that if it turns out to be a girl then they will give the child love, but even with this latter claim, manish and dadi are seemingly saying that if they don't get what they expected and kaira end up having a girl then they will have no choice to just accept the girl with love, like getting a girl is like getting a present that they don't particularly like from someone but just accept for the sake of being courteous. Neither do they want a girl and if it turns out to be a girl then they'll have to just accept it, and that's exactly what manish-dadi are saying in a more sugar-coated manner.

Each time they kept saying that they want a boy because they'll get a waaris and a boy child will give them "muksh" then after saying all that backwards crap they added that if it turns out to be a girl then they'll give her love too etc I just scoffed as it sounded like getting a boy child is a gift from god and a girl child is some reject present they have no choice to accept.

A girl child for them is an afterthought that they don't even want to think about or consider at this point as they are shamelessly desperate for ONLY a boy. This is way different to couples who casually say they hope for a boy or a girl without having any sort of real reason behind it only to be happy irregardless of the child's sex anyways.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: CaptiveFreedom

Wishing for a boy or girl is not wrong...but saying "No we don't want girl child" or saying "No we don't want boy child" is wrong...even if someone's DIL won't be able to have second child...its wrong!...because there are several several people who don't have children...its like questioning God's will...Its not in people's hand to decide baby's gender...God decided for number of children for couple, their gender...He knows better...trying to go against nature that also against wish of female who is going to give birth or wish of couple who are going to become parents is extremely wrong...baby is not an object to be replaced...or having baby or not itself is couple choice...they have first right on decisions relevant to their baby...(not in all cases) having a corrupt, arrogant, rude or ruthless son or a spoiled brat taking heritage forward is a "sign of pride"?...heritage being taken forward by male child is a sign of pride?...Having a disabled child by going against nature's law is sign of pride? Do Maheswari's compelled Varsha to have boy child to take their family's name forwards?...KD know she can't compel Kaira...so she is doing what she does best...the way she stole conk for "moh" of baby boy...she can do anything illegal like mixing something in food of DIL without her knowledge to change baby's gender...KD like people exist but they are never considered RIGHT by other generations...I've seen old couple being insulted and thrown out of house by their boy child and their 6 girl children giving them shelter...its a living example I see infront me...that lady repeatedly say...I wish I never wished or go to extreme levels for a baby boy...still I would say wishing is not wrong...but demanding a couple to MUST have a boy/girl child against their wish is wrong...if God decided the gender of baby to be girl/boy trying to change it is wrong...what if people's desperation to have baby boy...give them baby boy but not normal healthy baby boy?...a couple underwent fertility treatment doctor told them girl can have one child only that also with complications...they had baby girl...but due to elders compelling them to have baby boy they had second pregnancy...baby boy was born with developmental abnormalities...he is still dependent on his parents even for essential things...its all about perspectives...I have been surrounded by people even my great grand mother wasn't this regressive...I've no brother so faced no gender discrimination...my uncles give example of family's girls to their sons...so my perspective is developed according to that...my grand father wept like KD to have girl child but he didn't say "I only want girl child" or "I don't want male child"...for me what's wrong is wrong...even if KD did all that to change baby boy's gender I would consider it wrong...being elder is not a criteria to be always right...if elders are doing wrong than keeping quiet and let it be is like promoting wrong doing...not everything can be justified by "all elders are like that"...there is no generalization...as all elders are not regressive few are quite sane and wise...ppl in life experience facing such regressive elders that doesn't make every other elder regressive...


@Bold- You hit the nail right on the head. Most couples who are expecting and say they want a girl in this pregnancy or hope for a boy never say that because they STRICTLY want only one sex over the other. Those people who say that I want it to be a boy or I want it to be a girl never say this with the purpose/intention of wanting to actually rule out one sex in favour of the other, because this situation doesn't scream of gender bias, but what manish-suhasini are saying is blatant gender bias, then they start acting like they would accept the child if it was a girl just so they look less horrid humans when trying to justify their backwards gender preference. Their language and intentions are all wrong.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnyaRSingh

yep i think what they are trying to promote is that we should just hope the baby is healthy

and by showing kaira's preference towards a girl baby etc they are still being gender biased in a sense


kaira are not being gender biased. If they were being gender biased they would have said that they don't want the child to turn out to be a boy, as they want it to be a girl only, but that is not what they said. It is manish and dadi who are saying they ONLY want a boy and that they don't want it to be a girl. Manish and dadi are the ones strictly ruling out the desire of one gender and saying they strictly desire the gender of their choice only. This is a major and clear difference that I have explained in my previous comments. I'm sorry but there are many expectant couples who causally or without any real reason say they wish for the child to be a girl/boy, without saying that they don't want it to be a girl/boy, so are they all gender biased? Nope! It's so obvious that kaira aren't being gender biased when they say they want it ti be a girl, whereas it's literally so clear that dadi-manish are from saying strongly that they hope it isn't a girl and only a boy and giving a reason that they keep repeating over and over again.

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