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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: WeRockTheWorld

Naina like every has her flaws and weakness. But I doubt if her mistakes can be compared with that of Swathi's. I don't know why CVs had to make Swathi's character so grey...well too early to judge as the story is still on...

Naina is very confident girl. She has always accepted the fact that she wants to win and top every activity that she takes up. If that's her strength , then her weakness is about her appearance and the family background.

She from her childhood, at home and school is being seen as not so pretty face person. Her fathers lack of affection for her , the taunts she gets from her relatives about this and her father being poor has always affected her...cant help she lives at the mercy of her chacha ji...if he was not there then she is more of an orphan...that's the reality of her life...

But all this changes when Sameer started noticing her as a girl...showering his love , time and attention...

Now coming to school drama...yes she nominated Swathi when she wanted to move out...and she was open enough to approach her when she wanted to get back...Naina uses back door policy only when it cant be achieve through front door ...and that too ONLY WHEN THE ISSUE IS RELATED TO SAMEER.
She has never plotted against Swathi by joining hands with people who don't like Swathi. When Swathi stayed put abt the role in the play she still chose an option that was given to her...would Swathi have done that , if the roles were reversed ?? I doubt...

Swathi has always copied HW from Naina...and she has shared her notes , HWs etc with out a problem...why should she do that ?? Isnt it Swathi's responsibility to complete a notes and HW...it was Swathi who was always depended on Naina and not the other way around...

The ONLY MISTAKE THAT NAINA has done to Swathi is that she hid her relationship with Sameer...but if she had told that to Swathi ...do you think Swathi would have believed and that too when Sameer hadn't confessed his love to her?? When she didn't know what place she held in his life...to some extent her instincts were rt...because Sameer was doing all that to win a bet...rt?? If she had clarity in her role in his life she would have opened up..


About Sameer, Naina had asked Swathi , how she knows that Sameer likes her ...especially when he had thrown that chit?? Her answer was teasing Naina's appearance...have we ever heard Preethi teasing Naina for her appearance...have we heard Naina teasing Swathi any time ?? NOPE

Here again during elections , Naina suggested Swathi's name when she wanted to step down...because she considered Swathi closer than Preethi. She could have suggested Preethi rt ?? She didn't , because somewhere deep in her heart Swathi was like her soul sister...sadly Swathi doesn't share the same feeling...in fact Preethi is much more closer to Naina that Swathi is ...but Naina doesn't seem to understand that ...a reality she might eventually do...

When Naina suggested Swathi's name she could have said NO?? Did she , she didn't ...and then when the rest of the GANG suggested Naina's name again , if you remember Naina reminded the GANG that it was not her , it was Swathi who was standing for the election...at that time when friends suggested Naina's name...why did she not open up...why did she not tell her the truth??

She did complain about Munna...but what has Swathi , as his GF done for Munna ?? He has many a times tried to get her attention and love ...but every time she has blamed or made fun of him...and he has accepted it with out making her feel bad or getting angry at her.

I am not saying Swathi is an evil person but she has her insecurities ...especially because Sameer chose Naina...that's where it all started...till then she never felt threatened...but the reality she needs to learn is Love is beyond the bounds of beauty or appearance. It has a mind of its own...So even if Naina is not the most beautiful person in the world...but for Sameer's eyes Naina is what he defines as beauty...that's NOT NAINA's fault...besides Naina has worked to get that place in his heart...she made efforts to know him, love him , care for him and feel for him...their relationship is not perfect but at least she tries to get it perfect...

The problem with people like Swathi are , they want to achieve things in life but they don't work towards it nor do they voice their thirst to excel. They act as if they want a simple no nonsense life but in reality that is the opposite ...they want the world to hand it to them and they want the best ..Nothing comes easy in life. It has to be earned ...one needs to put effort in winning things in life...

PS : I am not against any character of a story ...my intent is only to highlight the flaws in the character or the grey shade charted out by the writers. I love all the actors and the show...in fact the grey is perfect in Swathi's character because she did well as an actress playing the part written for her.


Quite Perfect post WRTW...

Btw ..I think next people will target on how selfish is Naina to grab all the attention and love of Preet s parents ...And how mean she is with her sister...
Didn't even consider as her equal and give importance to friends... And always dominates her...Hahahaha...Naina seems to be the most selfish ,manipulative , cheap person...🤣
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: WeRockTheWorld

Naina like every has her flaws and weakness. But I doubt if her mistakes can be compared with that of Swathi's. I don't know why CVs had to make Swathi's character so grey...well too early to judge as the story is still on...

Naina is very confident girl. She has always accepted the fact that she wants to win and top every activity that she takes up. If that's her strength , then her weakness is about her appearance and the family background.

She from her childhood, at home and school is being seen as not so pretty face person. Her fathers lack of affection for her , the taunts she gets from her relatives about this and her father being poor has always affected her...cant help she lives at the mercy of her chacha ji...if he was not there then she is more of an orphan...that's the reality of her life...

But all this changes when Sameer started noticing her as a girl...showering his love , time and attention...

Now coming to school drama...yes she nominated Swathi when she wanted to move out...and she was open enough to approach her when she wanted to get back...Naina uses back door policy only when it cant be achieve through front door ...and that too ONLY WHEN THE ISSUE IS RELATED TO SAMEER.
She has never plotted against Swathi by joining hands with people who don't like Swathi. When Swathi stayed put abt the role in the play she still chose an option that was given to her...would Swathi have done that , if the roles were reversed ?? I doubt...

Swathi has always copied HW from Naina...and she has shared her notes , HWs etc with out a problem...why should she do that ?? Isnt it Swathi's responsibility to complete a notes and HW...it was Swathi who was always depended on Naina and not the other way around...

The ONLY MISTAKE THAT NAINA has done to Swathi is that she hid her relationship with Sameer...but if she had told that to Swathi ...do you think Swathi would have believed and that too when Sameer hadn't confessed his love to her?? When she didn't know what place she held in his life...to some extent her instincts were rt...because Sameer was doing all that to win a bet...rt?? If she had clarity in her role in his life she would have opened up..


About Sameer, Naina had asked Swathi , how she knows that Sameer likes her ...especially when he had thrown that chit?? Her answer was teasing Naina's appearance...have we ever heard Preethi teasing Naina for her appearance...have we heard Naina teasing Swathi any time ?? NOPE

Here again during elections , Naina suggested Swathi's name when she wanted to step down...because she considered Swathi closer than Preethi. She could have suggested Preethi rt ?? She didn't , because somewhere deep in her heart Swathi was like her soul sister...sadly Swathi doesn't share the same feeling...in fact Preethi is much more closer to Naina that Swathi is ...but Naina doesn't seem to understand that ...a reality she might eventually do...

When Naina suggested Swathi's name she could have said NO?? Did she , she didn't ...and then when the rest of the GANG suggested Naina's name again , if you remember Naina reminded the GANG that it was not her , it was Swathi who was standing for the election...at that time when friends suggested Naina's name...why did she not open up...why did she not tell her the truth??

She did complain about Munna...but what has Swathi , as his GF done for Munna ?? He has many a times tried to get her attention and love ...but every time she has blamed or made fun of him...and he has accepted it with out making her feel bad or getting angry at her.

I am not saying Swathi is an evil person but she has her insecurities ...especially because Sameer chose Naina...that's where it all started...till then she never felt threatened...but the reality she needs to learn is Love is beyond the bounds of beauty or appearance. It has a mind of its own...So even if Naina is not the most beautiful person in the world...but for Sameer's eyes Naina is what he defines as beauty...that's NOT NAINA's fault...besides Naina has worked to get that place in his heart...she made efforts to know him, love him , care for him and feel for him...their relationship is not perfect but at least she tries to get it perfect...

The problem with people like Swathi are , they want to achieve things in life but they don't work towards it nor do they voice their thirst to excel. They act as if they want a simple no nonsense life but in reality that is the opposite ...they want the world to hand it to them and they want the best ..Nothing comes easy in life. It has to be earned ...one needs to put effort in winning things in life...

PS : I am not against any character of a story ...my intent is only to highlight the flaws in the character or the grey shade charted out by the writers. I love all the actors and the show...in fact the grey is perfect in Swathi's character because she did well as an actress playing the part written for her.

Every word you mentioned here is correct, WRTW.. Sameer is the reason why the crack happened.. And Swati thinks she is smart and intelligent but the fact is that it doesnt get you a good looking rich guy.. Sameer never fell for any girl.. Not even Kamya who got physical with her.. So that grudge remained in her personality..
Its a fiction so may be she will still be part of the gang.. But in real life such people cant be made friends again.. As they say "Growing up means realizing a lot of your friends arent your friends"..
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I do not quite understand the logic of showing one person as grey or dark to show case someone as devi...not required...devi can be show n in so many ways other than show casing the parallel character as dark...cv s will always be driven by saas bahu sazish concept...did not find the logic of showing and ruining a cute girl like swati be like one craft y vamp...not liking the track.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sumanpatel6dec


EXACTLY

SORRY I WENT A LIL HARSH


No problem😃
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: WeRockTheWorld


Naina like every has her flaws and weakness. But I doubt if her mistakes can be compared with that of Swathi's. I don't know why CVs had to make Swathi's character so grey...well too early to judge as the story is still on...

Naina is very confident girl. She has always accepted the fact that she wants to win and top every activity that she takes up. If that's her strength , then her weakness is about her appearance and the family background.

She from her childhood, at home and school is being seen as not so pretty face person. Her fathers lack of affection for her , the taunts she gets from her relatives about this and her father being poor has always affected her...cant help she lives at the mercy of her chacha ji...if he was not there then she is more of an orphan...that's the reality of her life...

But all this changes when Sameer started noticing her as a girl...showering his love , time and attention...

Now coming to school drama...yes she nominated Swathi when she wanted to move out...and she was open enough to approach her when she wanted to get back...Naina uses back door policy only when it cant be achieve through front door ...and that too ONLY WHEN THE ISSUE IS RELATED TO SAMEER.
She has never plotted against Swathi by joining hands with people who don't like Swathi. When Swathi stayed put abt the role in the play she still chose an option that was given to her...would Swathi have done that , if the roles were reversed ?? I doubt...

Swathi has always copied HW from Naina...and she has shared her notes , HWs etc with out a problem...why should she do that ?? Isnt it Swathi's responsibility to complete a notes and HW...it was Swathi who was always depended on Naina and not the other way around...

The ONLY MISTAKE THAT NAINA has done to Swathi is that she hid her relationship with Sameer...but if she had told that to Swathi ...do you think Swathi would have believed and that too when Sameer hadn't confessed his love to her?? When she didn't know what place she held in his life...to some extent her instincts were rt...because Sameer was doing all that to win a bet...rt?? If she had clarity in her role in his life she would have opened up..


About Sameer, Naina had asked Swathi , how she knows that Sameer likes her ...especially when he had thrown that chit?? Her answer was teasing Naina's appearance...have we ever heard Preethi teasing Naina for her appearance...have we heard Naina teasing Swathi any time ?? NOPE

Here again during elections , Naina suggested Swathi's name when she wanted to step down...because she considered Swathi closer than Preethi. She could have suggested Preethi rt ?? She didn't , because somewhere deep in her heart Swathi was like her soul sister...sadly Swathi doesn't share the same feeling...in fact Preethi is much more closer to Naina that Swathi is ...but Naina doesn't seem to understand that ...a reality she might eventually do...

When Naina suggested Swathi's name she could have said NO?? Did she , she didn't ...and then when the rest of the GANG suggested Naina's name again , if you remember Naina reminded the GANG that it was not her , it was Swathi who was standing for the election...at that time when friends suggested Naina's name...why did she not open up...why did she not tell her the truth??

She did complain about Munna...but what has Swathi , as his GF done for Munna ?? He has many a times tried to get her attention and love ...but every time she has blamed or made fun of him...and he has accepted it with out making her feel bad or getting angry at her.

I am not saying Swathi is an evil person but she has her insecurities ...especially because Sameer chose Naina...that's where it all started...till then she never felt threatened...but the reality she needs to learn is Love is beyond the bounds of beauty or appearance. It has a mind of its own...So even if Naina is not the most beautiful person in the world...but for Sameer's eyes Naina is what he defines as beauty...that's NOT NAINA's fault...besides Naina has worked to get that place in his heart...she made efforts to know him, love him , care for him and feel for him...their relationship is not perfect but at least she tries to get it perfect...

The problem with people like Swathi are , they want to achieve things in life but they don't work towards it nor do they voice their thirst to excel. They act as if they want a simple no nonsense life but in reality that is the opposite ...they want the world to hand it to them and they want the best ..Nothing comes easy in life. It has to be earned ...one needs to put effort in winning things in life...

PS : I am not against any character of a story ...my intent is only to highlight the flaws in the character or the grey shade charted out by the writers. I love all the actors and the show...in fact the grey is perfect in Swathi's character because she did well as an actress playing the part written for her.



Hi Ashwathi,Thank you for sharing your views.Very well written😊

I completely agree with you that Naina's flaws cannot be compared to Swati.Swati makes her first mistake when she doesn't openly communicate her hurt with Naina.The rule no:1 in friendship is to communicate. Swati does not do this and thereby lays the foundation for the rift.Her second mistake is that she falls for Sunaina's words.To take Sunaina's words over Naina's 15 year long friendship is ridiculous.Her third mistake is that she agrees to share information.From here,it is not a mistake..It moves onto serious betrayal.And then the final stab in the back is when she hides the votes..She crosses all possible lines of morality here and turns into the proverbial Brutus stabbing Caeser(Naina) in the back.

There are few people who would justify the action of Brutus.Similarly,there are few who would justify the actions of Swathi and the severity of those actions cannot be compared to what Naina has ever done to anyone.The idea of the post was not to compare Swathi's actions with Naina's.


I agree when you say Swathi has undoubtedly been more dependent on Naina in school and maybe even later.You are completely right in saying that Sameer's entry into her life changed everything. ( I have written these very points in my original(and very lengthy) post).It is only after Sameer's entry that her equations with Swati also shifted balance.I agree that it is wrong of me to say that Naina puts her interest above others in some relationships.She wasn't like that and probably isn't that way even now.I stand corrected there. However,Naina does put her interests above others when Sameer is involved.Sameer is always the third angle in the triangle in every relationship equation of Naina with others.

The post was intended to highlight the varying nature of Naina's relationship with two of her closest people, Swathi and Sameer and point out the differences in these relationships.One can argue that Sameer is her love and Swathi is her friend and the two cannot be compared.That is true,but each relationship has its unique balances and equilibrium and I simply intended to highlight those balances.

In a nutshell,the post intends to show human nature and reactions when the pain is transferred back to us and not transferred back to us.This is simply done with the example of Naina..But almost all human beings are like that.When we hurt someone and we bear the consequences of it,we act differently.When we don't bear direct consequences for our actions,we act differently.That is the complexity of human nature.

Thank you so much for sharing your views..insightful and refreshing😊.Hv updated my post including your pov 😊
Edited by rock&roll - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hi R & R,

Just read your post and what a sensible and thought inducing idea.

The change in the Swati's character to the grey shade was abrupt, however, it wont be stretched long enough and soon the friends will be back.

The points 4 and 5 you mentioned are very valid. And it is not going to sit well with many readers or fans. There has been quiet a ruckus in my past 2 posts. But that is the beauty of being in a forum. We get to understand the same scene from a variety of perspective by a variety of people. That inadvertently adds more to the understanding of human psyche. It is indeed a curious thing how the perspectives and opinions vary.

When it comes to human emotions and its discussion, every point is subjective. No point is absolutely wrong or entirely correct.

However, it cannot be denied that the points you have raised are true when all the episodes are considered.

The pattern of Naina's behaviour is indeed timid and submissive in front of people who are aggressive and violent towards her. For example, Members of Agarwal Clan and Sharad. She indeed tries to make up with the person as long as the person is assertive or has the galls to give it back to her. But Naina gets back to the "Me First" mode the moment she gets the upper hand over a person or the person is more submissive like Sameer.

That is what the writers has established in the many episodes since school to college.

In a natural progression as Naina gets more confident & validated about herself, then she will get more balanced in her approach towards the people who are really close to her for example Swati or Sameer.

That is one aspect of Naina's character that writers need to establish further that she is indeed consistently thoughtful towards the people who are genuinely in support of her and close to her.

Nicely written R & R 👏
Edited by Dr.Don - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dr.Don

Hi R & R,


Just read your post and what a sensible and thought inducing idea.

The change in the Swati's character to the grey shade was abrupt, however, it wont be stretched long enough and soon the friends will be back.

The points 4 and 5 you mentioned are very valid. And it is not going to sit well with many readers or fans. There has been quiet a ruckus in my past 2 posts. But that is the beauty of being in a forum. We get to understand the same scene from a variety of perspective by a variety of people. That inadvertently adds more to the understanding of human psyche. It is indeed a curious thing how the perspectives and opinions vary.

When it comes to human emotions and its discussion, every point is subjective. No point is absolutely wrong or entirely correct.

However, it cannot be denied that the points you have raised are true when all the episodes are considered.

The pattern of Naina's behaviour is indeed timid and submissive in front of people who are aggressive and violent towards her. For example, Members of Agarwal Clan and Sharad. She indeed tries to make up with the person as long as the person is assertive or has the galls to give it back to her. But Naina gets back to the "Me First" mode the moment she gets the upper hand over a person or the person is more submissive like Sameer.

That is what the writers has established in the many episodes since school to college.

In a natural progression as Naina gets more confident & validated about herself, then she will get more balanced in her approach towards the people who are really close to her for example Swati or Sameer.

That is one aspect of Naina's character that writers need to establish further that she is indeed consistently thoughtful towards the people who are genuinely in support of her and close to her.

Nicely written R & R 👏


Hi Doc,Thanks a ton for your reply .Its true that the friends S & N will be back together soon..This track of Swati's jealousy seems so forced..Almost like the writers realized that they had made a blunder with Naina's redemption track and had not portrayed her in good light..So to make a grey character appear white,they paint another character black.To make Naina's mistakes towards Sameer appear small in comparison,they make Swati commit greater blunders and betrayals..and suddenly Naina's faults look small and sympathy rushes to her...The whole thing seems so contrived and forced.
It is sad that both Naina and Swati's characters have eebn systematically destroyed by the writers.

Anyway.Good to see a post which understood my pov..Not too many replies here concur with my view😊.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hi Doc,Thanks a ton for your reply .Its true that the friends S & N will be back together soon..This track of Swati's jealousy seems so forced..Almost like the writers realized that they had made a blunder with Naina's redemption track and had not portrayed her in good light..So to make a grey character appear white,they paint another character black.To make Naina's mistakes towards Sameer appear small in comparison,they make Swati commit greater blunders and betrayals..and suddenly Naina's faults look small and sympathy rushes to her...The whole thing seems so contrived and forced.
It is sad that both Naina and Swati's characters have eebn systematically destroyed by the writers.

Anyway.Good to see a post which understood my pov..Not too many replies here concur with my view😊.

Bold - i agree !
You somewhere spoke my mind. it somehow seems to be a whitewash of a certain character hence painting others a bit darker out of nowhere. had it been gradual it would have made sense. Now coz swati did this, all her past actions in hindsight are being negated or being pointed at as she was never a good friend. i am not a fan of her character but this seems a bit strange, though its a quite common real life scenario. lets see how they take it from here 😃
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: rock&roll


Hi Doc,Thanks a ton for your reply .Its true that the friends S & N will be back together soon..This track of Swati's jealousy seems so forced..Almost like the writers realized that they had made a blunder with Naina's redemption track and had not portrayed her in good light..So to make a grey character appear white,they paint another character black.To make Naina's mistakes towards Sameer appear small in comparison,they make Swati commit greater blunders and betrayals..and suddenly Naina's faults look small and sympathy rushes to her...The whole thing seems so contrived and forced.
It is sad that both Naina and Swati's characters have eebn systematically destroyed by the writers.

Anyway.Good to see a post which understood my pov..Not too many replies here concur with my view😊.


Can't agree more! Similar thing I wrote in Ross's post but you have very clearly said what I wanted to say, RR!👏 😃

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