Episode 191: Lies and Spies

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Haven't watched the episode yet, just creating the thread for discussions.

So what do you guys think will happen today?
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Posted: 7 years ago
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All was going too good. Until this black magic thing started. Ansooya challenging puru n bamini to kill poras. I m just hating it.. ansooya ko kya se ky a bana diya...!
N Still no watch on olympia.. stupid PR people.. aise rakhna tha to laaye hi kyu?
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Posted: 7 years ago
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All I care about is the repercussions that will follow after Alexander is made aware of Olympia's state and whereabouts. Did we have any scenes or glimpse of it in today's episode ?
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I actually enjoyed today's episode - the pacing was good, lots of things moved forward, some questions were answered, and a few secrets were revealed. Though it looks like we will have more nighttime episodes! Don't these people sleep?!

We had Alexander Holmes spotting that solider immediately and it was good to hear about Macedonian customs. Just like Alexander may not be able to anticipate all of Porus' moves without a deep understanding of Bharati culture, neither can Porus understand all of his. @Vaishnavi, your question has been answered about that Instagram photo of the guy posing with Rohit and Akash - it wasn't Seleucus after all but a PR messenger in disguise. 😉

The only issue I have with that scene is that it's clearly at night so where did that shadow of the flag come from with no torches to be seen? And that kind of shadow cannot be cast with torches, it can only happen when sunlight falls on an object. We also learned that Alexander has a dagger in his boots. He really is very good at hiding weapons. Rohit was awesome in this scene - I was clapping and cheering for what Alexander did and it felt like we were seeing glimpses of the old Alexander! It was a great way to start the episode and I will discuss it in more detail it in a separate post.

Porus made one more promise. The list is growing long pretty fast and he's lecturing his parent about reverse parenting. That seems to be a running theme in this show where the Bharati kids are teaching their parents and correcting their mistakes. Only Alexander refrains from doing this, but then again he's a world famous mama's boy. 😆

When Bamni asked Porus to thank Ambhikumar, I thought his message would be intercepted and Ambhikumar discovered later on, or that maybe when Porus doesn't hear back from Ambhikumar he would suspect something went wrong. But it looks like the Taxila crown prince is in trouble already anyway.

@Vicariously, Alexander did not spot the message from Olympias lying on the ground after Ambhiraj shot the messenger falcon down. It would be too good to be true if he did and I am not surprised because he unearthed (pun intended) too many things today, including the gold coin. His quota is full for the day (or the night). I put it down to it being nighttime and a gold coin shining brightly and easier to see than a scroll on the side. Still, because Alexander says his eyes miss nothing, I would have wanted him to spot it but I guess I'm asking for too much. Looks like someone else will, instead. Perhaps Ambhiraj will find it and tell Alexander himself about it, or it will lie there until the opportune moment.

I love what Alexander said about the people in this country not respecting their own wealth, and I think this was also SidT's way of telling us why Bharat, which was once glorious and prosperous, could not sustain that level of prominence long-term and fell pray to conquerors throughout history.

We also saw a classic case of serial overhearing => people miss the main part and hear only the tail end of the conversation. So of course Alexander doesn't see the scroll, and doesn't overhear what Ambhiraj tells his son about wanting to turn the tables on Ambhikumar, but hears Ambhikumar talk of ousting him, after which we got another quote-worthy dialogue from Alexander today:

Main unme se nahin jisse bheja ja sakta hai
Main woh hoon jo aata hai aur chhaa jaata hai

I've been wanting to see the Ambhis argue or show some kind of philosophical conflict so I was very happy to see that in detail today, except we found out that Ambhiraj is thinking of a longer term strategy to get out of Alexander's grasp instead of quick wins. It was clear that Ambhiraj wasn't going to take his son's imprisonment lightly, nor would he forget it that easily. He was pretty explicit about his motivations and I was glad to see that he had been thinking about how to wait for the right time to make the appropriate political moves.

The CVs are trying to show that no matter what outside forces do, they can only temporarily influence local kings to ally with them and that eventually everyone will choose to support the motherland or not betray it actively. Now they are showing Ambhiraj plotting something, but I still think it's for his kingdom and not for the motherland necessarily. He has always been very clear that he cares only about protecting Taxila's awaam and doesn't want to get involved with what was happening outside of it. As I said in an older post of mine, Ambhiraj and Shivdutt are the only two consistent characters on this show, and nothing has changed so far (except Shivdutt is dead).

Porus was giving the PR soldiers another pep talk but we never get to see the PR soldiers being trained. He's very confident of defeating the Dasyus on land, but I think he underestimates their ability to fight well in the water and on land. It remains to be seen whether Dasyuraj does what Porus expects him to. If they don't change their mind and are attacked by PR, will Alexander save them? If the Dasyus go against Alexander and help to destroy the bridge, or weaken its foundations so that it collapses under the weight of the Macedonian army, then Alexander won't spare them. Would the Dasyu rulers really want to subject their people to be annihilated by Alexander? I'm doubtful about that. I found it very annoying that Laachi hasn't been able to understand her parents' predicament here - it's easy to blame them but she needs to understand that they didn't really have a choice. Alexander gave them an ultimatum about building the bridge.

It was good to see Anusuya sword fighting with Bamni, who took this as a romantic duel with his wife but was surprised to discover her in shatrani mode. Rati looked ferocious today and reminded me of her warrior princess mode in the beginning episodes where she fought against Taxila. The only thing I'd say is that considering Alexander is nearly at their doorstep and about to attack, they seem to have a lot of free time on hand to duel against each other. 😆

By the way, I'm really loving Bamni and Hasti's war look - they were fabulous. I loved the hairdos, too. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I love Hasti's costume the most out of all the different characters' attire. Mohit Abrol really carries it well and he really looks like a royal. He must have been treated by Chanakya, since he doesn't seem to have any wounds at all despite Alexander's spilling a liter of his blood in the Jhelum river. Speaking of which, Chanakya is nowhere in sight. 😆

I wished there would be no more black magic but it looks like it's going to go on for a bit longer. 😡 I wonder what will happen to break the spell, because clearly Porus won't die or maybe he will really end up fighting Anusuya and defeat her, so that she can't accompany him to the war. I am still wondering if Anusuya is faking being under Olympias' spell to avoid her suspicion - maybe the magic is not working on her but she's playing along in order to make a last-minute move. The PR royals really need to lock Olympias up like a prisoner would be or send her back, but they are being complacent now with her in captivity and underestimating the damage she can single-handedly cause. She sees and hears every single thing they are doing and I am sure whatever she experiences in the palace here, she will relay to Alexander later to help him understand the PR people better and incorporate it in his battle strategy.

You guys can laugh, but I have to confess that I only watched Bahubali for the first time a couple of days ago. 😳 During the movie I was face palming through many scenes as I realized how much SidT is inspired by it. This plan of Olympias' to get Anusuya to kill her own son reminded me a lot of what happened in the movie, and I was thinking: are they trying to go the Katappa way here too? LOL

I think Alexander's sixth sense is making him extra concerned about his mother and he'll figure out something is wrong even without receiving her message. In fact, Hephaestion might come back with the news himself since Alexander asked him to investigate in detail. Let's see!

Last time's pre-cap was misleading and they showed nothing of it today so @Vicariously, don't be too disappointed at Alexander's thanda reaction on finding out about his mother's situation because it doesn't look like he'll learn about it just yet. Not until the black magic track is nearing it's end (hopefully that happens soon because I don't want to see this anymore). CVs probably just shoot these random pre-caps to confuse us. Maybe the dukhti rag Alexander had referred to was Barsine's attempt to gain Farsi support and escape there. I'm glad they found out about the Hindu Kush route - looks like there will be another mini fight/battle there. Alexander asked Hephaestion to save it for a fitting reply at the right time, and it reminded me of how he replied to Darius' message in Faras. Can't wait to see what he does with Barsine! 😆

Pre-cap: If Ambhikumar is going to be punished/tortured, will his father save him? That scene of him being quartered reminded me of Alexander's punishment for the Thracian king. Alexander didn't seem surprised to hear what Ambhikumar said, so I also wonder if he was pretending to trust Ambhikumar to fish his secret out. If this is the case then I'm going to be super happy with Alexander Holmes. Also, Ambhiraj's wife finally makes an appearance. I was wondering where she was all this time!
Edited by inlieu - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Dear Inlieu, your review-cum-analysis incorporates all the highlights of the episode perfectly so I don't feel like adding anything. 😉


I also liked the episode very much although I deeply detest the dark filter they use! They covered some of the most substantial and awaited sequences in just one episode. I suppose they are shooting the night-time sequences in the day to save time and cost of accomplishing a proper lightening on the sets at night. 😡


I too loved the opening sequence. ❤️ This was the Alexander everyone awaited to get a glimpse of. 😃 I loved how Alexander did not consider that messenger worthy of facing his sword and decided to finish him off with his dagger while also fulfilling his last wish of a having a duel with Shah Sikandar.😆 It was clear that he developed a doubt on him the moment he spoke up and was keeping a watch over him as he moved. The kind of the action sequence they gave him was also something new. The way he bent to avoid the sword swing while simultaneously dragging out the dagger was an impressive shot. 👏 This was unavoidable.. makers had to show his clever side truimphing at some or the other point as they can't afford to distort history to the extent of Porus's apparent scheme. 😉


You have pointed out a very valid point about the flag's shadow. Maybe the makers didn't know that this sequence would be filtered dark while writing it. 😆


I liked the way they included Puru's shortcoming of not being aware of the Macedonian customs and didn't show him as an all-knower.👍🏼


As for the running theme, add woman empowerment too in the list. It is prevailing since the time of Shivdutt.😉


I agree that through Alexander, the makers are highlighting the reasons why India has constantly been an easy target for invaders.. from the absence of unity to being disrespectful towards their own heritage.😔


I don't get what Ambiraj means by saying they would break all ties with Alexander and be independent. How is it even possible now? I too agree that he has been consistent and has always considered Takshashila as his motherland just like Shivdutt has been consistent in his hatred towards Takshashila. 😆


Anusuya is definitely under the spell otherwise how come she is able to follow Olympias's order which she is murmuring to that voodoo.🤔


I also haven't watched Baahubali till now! Neither GoT nor Mission Impossible! So it's almost impossible for me to gauge SidT's sources of inspiration. 😕


I also thought they shoot some scenes deliberately to give us confusing precaps and wrote it elsewhere here. I think Alexander will send a confirmation on behalf of Faras's awaam that they are supporting her at the right time. But would Puru suspect when his messenger won't return? Anyways, I am interested to see how Alexander treats Barsine and her Kunba now! 😆


That punishment for Ambhikumar was really horrible!! It sends chills down my spine! 😕It's even more horrific than the Bull thing! Though the real Alexander really punished Bessus like that for his treachery with Darius. Real Alexander was really harsh towards the people who weren't loyal as he kept loyalty as the supreme trait. He even commanded one of the Persian Generals (whom he included in his own army) to personally execute Bessus in such a manner only to take revenge for his betrayal towards their previous King.


But would this really be the end of Ambhikumar? Wouldn't Ambhiraj intervene? I am expecting his wife to plead to Alexander for her son's life but he of course wouldn't listen.


Edited by Vaishnavi_ - 7 years ago
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Hey Vaishnavii!
Thank you so much for reading my post dear, and for your detailed response. The website has been pretty slow the last couple of days, hope it gets resolved soon.

Agree about the dark filter, though I will say Rohit's blond hair and light eyes show up pretty well despite it, which is quite important since we need to see his wonderful emoting! You're probably right, they are shooting during the day to save time and also because it's hard to provide lighting on a beach as opposed to indoors.

I loved your point about Alexander finishing off that messenger with just his dagger and I loved the way he bent back to dodge the sword. And the way his hair is to one side as soon as he finishes the slice of the throat! 👏 Very cool!

I think Alexander is on high alert all the time now, which is fantastic to see! Hoping to see a full return to form soon. When Alexander asked them questions, the Macedonian soldiers looked at him reverently and never quite met his gaze, whereas the messenger looked straight at him. Big mistake, because I think the messenger's body language gave it away, in addition to the fact that he was a little to eager to convince Alexander that no messengers from the other side of the Jhelum had been intercepted.

Did you notice that Alexander himself also never steps on the shadow of the flag during the altercation with the messenger? Nice touch, that! At first, when they showed Alexander looking at the messenger's foot, I thought it was something about the soil itself, as it reminded me of when he noticed the mud on Faroos' shoes after he snuck into the Macedonian camp in Faras.

I also loved the way he stopped Hephaeston with a "Nahin Hephaestion!", which seems to have become a regular thing now. I noticed that little lifting up of the corner of Alexander's mouth as he eyed the messenger arrogantly and walked towards him, before putting his sword into the ground to show he didn't even need it to deal with the adna sa sipahi. 😆

One more thing, the position of the dead soldier's left arm changed during the scene. 😲 (Don't ask me why, but I always end up noticing these continuity issues!) Also, Barsine is now writing to the Farsi awaam in Hindi. This is just sloppy. At least Darius' letter had the Farsi/Arabic script. Hephaestion is now also an expert at reading Hindi, must have learned from Cleitus. 😆 There have been a couple of wording/diction issues lately that are jarring, such as Alexander saying samay instead of waqt, and majboot instead of mazboot.


"Women empowerment"? I sometimes wonder if the makers really know what this means. What have they done to Laachi or to Roxanne or even Barsine?! 😆

Yeah, Ambhiraj's comment was strange. It sounded like he had been planning something and since we don't see Chanakya nowadays I wonder if these two have been working on some other scheme, maybe involving other kings/kingdoms. Good luck! Because yojnas in this show do not have a high success rate. 😕

Bahubali is worth a watch, beautiful cinematography. The whole waterfall sequence in the beginning of the show was "inspired" by the opening scenes of that movie too. 😆

I wonder if Porus sent the messenger to Alexander's camp to sneak his message in with other scrolls destined for Faras. Or was he supposed to sneak out in some other way? So far we've never seen emissaries coming in from Faras to Taxila. Right now though, it looks like Porus will be injured so he won't have time to worry about the missing messenger.

I too wonder if Ambhikumar's mother will beg for her son's life. That lady is somewhere between Kadika and Anusuya in terms of her toughness but she's always had a good sense of morals. Again, I wonder if she will make maternal appeals to Alexander. Considering he's missing his mother, let's see where this goes. Roxanne is nowhere to be seen - I thought she loved these spectacles? I wonder if Cleitus will be more ferocious now because he will realized that Ambhikumar was instrumental in that successful sneak attack on the Farsi camp that got him injured. He is going to cherish watching him in pain. 😕

I'm missing Dasyurani - would love to see her again. I guess if the Pauravengers are unable to wage war, then the bridge would be built on time. I am expecting Hasti and Laachi to go out and cause some damage again if Porus is down temporarily.

Right now though, they have more serious issues on hand, like figuring out what the heck is wrong with Raajmaata Anusuya. 😆
Edited by inlieu - 7 years ago
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Yes! The website was troubling a lot yesterday. Today, it's so far, so good. 👍🏼


Although you are right about Rohit's eyes still standing out even in the dark but I still feel missing out. Do you remember that scene when Alexander got the new title of 'Sikandar' and the crowd was cheering up for him? As soon as the crowd began to chant 'Sikandar ! Sikandar !', the look in Alexander's eyes transitioned from a usually penetrating gaze to depict a gentle glee ! They lit up with delight and a sense of achievement as he scanned the whole applauding crowd ! It was wonderful ! 👏These kind of nuances which are just visible in the eyes are bound to get hazy under such a filter.


I loved the amusement in Alexander's eyes and the mocking smile on his face as he compliments the messenger as 'adna sa sipahi'.😆 That look vanishes till he fixes his sword to the ground and reappears when he invites the messenger for a duel saying 'Aao! Aage Badho!' He doesn't even look at him or wait for him to fall down after stabbing him but quickly swirls towards him ending up slitting his throat and that BGM when he finally turns back to see him lying dead.. that was a perfect combo with the sheer arrogance on his face!! Uh! It's so inhumane of me that I am describing the killing of a person with such excitement!


I think the makers are returning Alexander's wits back to him gradually otherwise it would seem unbelievable that he crossed the Jhelum with his brilliant manoeuvring all of a sudden if he is shown continuously getting fooled. 😆


Yes, I noticed he never stepped on the shadow himself but only after watching that scene again... 'Nahin Haphaestion' has really became a trend! 😆 Yes, he lifted the corner of his mouth slightly which turned into a jibing smile as he walked towards him. 😃


They have always had such continuity issues.. you have an eagle eye!😆 When Alexander confronted the messenger, he was standing on the shadow of the flag and Alexander stood right in front of him but at the very next moment, they were nearer to the flag's stick.. a displacement done by the makers which made Alexander avoid stepping on shadow I guess. Another one, the moment Alexander stabbed the messenger he was quite near to him but suddenly in the next shot he was swirling towards him from a distance to slit his throat. 😆


They once emphasised on women empowerment when Anusuya motivated the 'ganikas' to fight against Shivdutt. Now it's lost and left just in one liners which Laachi recites about Anusuya going to defeat Bamni. 😆


I also wonder to whom Barsine's letter was to be sent and who was supposed to read out that letter to the awaam? And if it was for the awaam then who would inform the Faarsi soldiers that they need to revolt now! 😆Why was Alexander so much worried about intercepting the message.. has he forgotten his real intention behind including Faarsis in his army which was done to prevent betrayal in the first place. How does the fact that who owns the Royal family which isn't even Royal now, affect this? Pathetic!


As you said that Alexander wasn't shocked to hear Ambhikumar's words, that makes me wonder that whether Alexander himself sent his father to say those provocative lines to bring out Ambhikumar's intentions. 😆


Laachi and Puru aren't aware of the ultimatum given by Alexander. They probably think that the Dasyus themselves approached him with the offer of bridge.
As Chanakya is missing again.. would his doubt on Raajmata be materialised?

Edit: I was so wrong! This website is making me sick! It took me a lifetime to open the post!! Ugh!! 😡 It asks me every single time I click a link whether I am a robot!! 😕

Edited by Vaishnavi_ - 7 years ago
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Yeah, so true the filters make it hazy and Rohit's performances would not be complete without the expressions in his eyes and all those wonderful nuances. That Sikander! Sikander! scene is among my favorites in the show. Rohit really took it to another level there. 👏

It's not inhumane to describe that scene, just goes to show how well it was executed. Kudos to the actors and the action/stunt director. I can indeed believe that the real Alexander was this agile and light on his feet. Yes, the background music used for Alexander in this is always wonderful and perfectly describes the mood of the scene.

If you say that the makers are returning him to his wits then aapke moon mein ghee shakkar! It will only be temporary. I can take him being ruthless and smart, not evil and foolish.

Great observation about the position of the shadow and the distance between the actors. I guess they do it to get better camera angles but who knows? 😆
Barsine sending a letter to her wafaadaar? Who is that? Was she communicating with them all this time? Did Alexander even allow it considering they are nazarband? Also, how does she know so much about what is happening in Faras, especially about Seleucus Nicator? I think she's asking them to prepare for her arrival so that she can address her awaam herself. Let's see if she's even able to make it out of Bharat in the first place or if she ends up being taken back to Taxila by Alexander. I think Alexander wanted to intercept that message so that he could figure out what Porus was planning and probably to send the Farsi awaam a completely different message. They wouldn't really like to hear that the new Shah has failed to protect the Farsi royals and that Porus is the new rescuer. So Alexander probably wants to avoid that.

As for the real intention behind recruiting Farsis in the army, I think even the writers have forgotten what Alexander told Cleitus and Hephaestion many episodes ago. 😆

I don't know why Dasyuraj didn't tell Laachi and Porus about the ultimatum because now they feel the Dasyus are traitors, instead of understanding that they didn't really have a choice. Maybe because Dasyuraj didn't want to make the Dasyus seem weak and powerless in front of anyone.

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