Sameer's Condition & Predicament: Naina's Decision & Results

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hi there, my self Dr.Don.

Before I start the post a few pointers or disclaimers: (Important)

  • This post is the perspective of the feelings of boys in response to the predicament similar to Sameer.
  • I request the readers no to get carried away and make it a gender war or personal.
  • When discussing human relations (which can be as fickle as a hush of wind) no one or no point of discussion can be absolutely right or absolutely wrong.
  • Please feel free to state your points if you wish to, without asserting to aggressive gender wars.
  • Every person's perspective comes from their real-life experiences he/she has regarding love.
  • I am not against any particular character. In fact, I am always more in support of Naina (as it's evident in my real OS)
  • Real life scenarios are not always rosy when it comes to young middle-class lovers. So, this post may not be up to your liking.
My apologies for the pointers as I feel discussions related to love can sometimes take a rough route. So, felt like clarifying.

Let's start with the discussion:

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One line from Naina hit the point for me in the previous episode.

The line she said to Preeti.

"Main Sameer se Pyar Karti hoon par Itna Nahin ke Main Chacha aur Chahiji ka Bharosa Tod Doon.

This immediately makes me notice the statement she said during the back hug - "Sameer Aaj Tak Kisine Kabhi Mujhse Itna Pyar Nahin Kiya

These are two very contrasting lines delivered by the same girl in a span of few days.

Coincidentally I have seen many such real-life instances many times over since teenage over the years.


The instances of consciously leaving your Love (with whom you have experienced joys of being in love & the affection of being cared and placed at the top of everything) are done by both boys and girls. (Due to various pressures and situations)

Due to one reason or other, they decide that all that enormous amount of love, affection, and care needs to be left behind.

The irony is there is a lot of focus and discussions when a girl is wrongly or rightly left behind by a boy.

In my school to college years, I have heard thousands of discussions where a boy was gossiped red, blue and black for leaving a girl with whom he promised a future of love.

(Please mind that I am not defending the boy's action here. I am stressing it as many will assume otherwise. My entire urge to explain my story also came from the situation of Naina in the betting phase)

Coming back to the point, I always heard so many stories on how the girl was wronged in love.

How the boy cheated on her? How did he play with her emotions? How cunning he was? Why he loved her and did not support her? How the boy did not stand for the girl in front of his parents? He is the Boy right! Why he gave tall promises in love when he cannot fulfill those? Did he not know the nature or his mom and dad before falling in love? ... The questions are endless ...

But in my experience, I hardly came across many discussions in the opposite scenario, where a boy completely in love and dedicated to fulfilling it was unceremoniously left behind or consciously abandoned by his Girl.

I am not counting my story as the experience as I was involved in it. But, barring a few, I never came across many hues and cry when a boy was ditched all of a sudden. Boys have to be strong! Right! (which is a misnomer)

From my teenage till I was professionally an established surgeon (an era from the late 90s till the point 2014) I have come across (directly, not from news anchors) 15 late teenage to early twenty love related suicides, and a dozen of professionally and personally unhappy persons - all boys.

The reason was unanimously the same: The love of their life broke the relation in the pattern of Naina.

"I do love you, but I cannot be with you because I cannot go against or break the trust of my parents"

In the same scenario if a boy gives that reason (for leaving a girl) he is immediately accused of being the puppet for his parents or vices. (Case in point Sameer or Arjun at various points in their love journey)

But a girl is considered to uphold the family tradition by sacrificing her happiness and also sacrificing the happiness of the person waiting for her.

In fact, I have noticed many girls taking pride in that fact. (Which again they have all right to put their family ahead of the so-called love)

In one such instance, my junior in the medical college was asked by her lady love of 4 years - Please, can't you understand my situation? Don't you love me enough to realize the situation of my parents?

Junior: I love you enough to stand next to you and ask your hand to your parents

Girl: No ! I cannot do this to my parents. I love you to bones but you also love me to realize that I cannot break my parent's trust. It's for your good! They will not agree

Boy: Give me a chance to fight for our love. How can you just let it go?

Girl: I will never be happy without you but, I am doing this for your good.

Girl gets married to another. (either being herself broken or making another guy unhappy as not being able to forget the love she left behind or she happily just moves on after some time)

The aspect of women is that they might appear physically frail but in reality, Women are the strongest emotionally and mentally.

Women know how to take the emotional pain head on and still survive. Majority of the Women are survivors. This trait is inbuilt in them. Happy or unhappy women are strong to survive the time and find joys in it. That's the way God made them. That's why women are the healer, mother, and a more powerful lover. (In an emotional sense)

But the boys are hopeless and weak. Boys boast of physical macho strength but emotionally many are weak and frail. When a boy makes up mind to settle and decides on the girl, there is no way back for him.

Boys do not have the inbuilt trait to adjust or control. Boys just go with the flow. On reciprocation to their love (providing its true settled down love from him) they just start building future. Crush changes to deep love. Platonic love changes to divine and sexual. The dreams of building a family. Their entire being and action are channeled in that direction.

Majority of the boys (barring a few Casanovas) fall deep and deeper into the aspirations of making the love true facing all odds (again considering they are in true love).

A boy in true love would just about do all efforts for a single validation from his life partner. Even change themselves if required.

Same is the predicament with Sameer. From an arrogant self-loving Casanova, he has fallen from deep to a deeper level of love.

With the emotional void he was having previously, he felt the love of Naina so hard that he could not stay away and finally embraced it with all his being. This is more or less the case of most of the boys, particularly the introvert ones.

In real life, the junior fell hard. He saw the girl getting married to an average guy not even settled professionally as well as him. In his mind he couldn't let go of the dreams of loving her, making love to her and raising a family with her. He could not muster the will to survive and prove to her that she was wrong in what she did by being the success he could have been.

His friends did all to Cheer him up. They even mentioned all the money he has (he was from an affluent family) and the potential hotties that will marry him.

The junior committed suicide two months after the girlfriend married. The girl who was visibly unhappy in her marriage went silent and moved on. She had to survive. (In no way I am implying that the girl is responsible. The Junior should have been strong. However, there are people who do buckle down in such situations. She must have known or felt how madly she had made him fall for her that there was no escape)

All knew the reason, but it was all hush hush. Soon people including the girl moved on. In fact, she had moved on much earlier. It's definite that she did love him with all she was. But she had the strength to bypass that love and move ahead with someone else. She seems happy now with 2 kids and her career still in the same city.

(Happiness is relative but at least she is busy in life)

In the course of all my experiences of love scenarios, I have invariably found the boys to be the weakest of all. Boys put on a lot of show, but the majority are incapable of handling the fact when a girl who was all heads in love with them, suddenly decides to put an end to it citing the most unassuming reason that she would not be able to talk to her parents regarding this.

Teenage boys are more prone to or programmed to undergo self-destruction. I don't know how but almost all teenage boys go into this mode after their "Naina" suddenly decides to end all between them. I was in the self-destructive mode for a long time in my teenage. And I don't know how I made out of it.
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It's difficult to separate who is right or wrong in this. Difficult to find the weak among the strong.

The point I am trying to make is that Boys are equally weak and vulnerable as girls. In fact more so.

Boys are usually painted as the stronger one and the Heartbreakers. It is a celebrated notion or misconception.

Boys are not always wrong.

There are many instances where a girl burdened with all the ties and family obligations starts finding happiness and dreams of being in love with a special boy. One day she finally meets that Special Boy.

She lets go of her inhibitions. She becomes the best version of herself with that boy and the boy gets addicted to making her smile and happy.

Then one fine day, when the time comes for the girl to finally make it official, the old Tied Up nature appears again. And she decides to let go of her happiness and move on leaving behind a boy who may or may not cope with the situation.

Such is the predicament of Sameer. In the Tele World, Naina will soon come running to Manao him again (after a lot of twists to irritate the fandom), but in the case of real-life Sameers, many times there are slim chances to get back to the happy zone.

N.B: I and five of my friends (which includes one top Psychiatric) regularly carry out meetings and gatherings to make the teenagers aware of the realities and practicalities of love in India and how to cope if you are in the situation of Sameer (As Naina ditches him for her family) and if Sameer Would have Cheated Naina. So, we see from a close quarter, the sweet pinch of teenage love that sometimes goes too deep.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Brillant post! And very true. Men are physically the stronger gender whereas women are emotionally stronger.
Scenarios like this where girls walk away are very common and as you have pointed out people are more willing to excuse their behaviour than when a guy does something similar. I have no clue why?!

I think women find it easier to move on or find joy post breakups by focussing on their children and feeling validated by the child's unconditional love. Men probably don't end up with that sort of bond with the kids. Also, after once they have lost that first deep connection with a girl they loved, they find it very hard to form another connection like that - its just how we are wired.

Thanks for sharing your POV!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Great post. Must say you have really amazing writing skills.
I agree to most of the things you pointed out. Specially the fact that boys do get called names like Arjun when they are not able to stand against their family and for the same reason girls are given a applause for being responsible.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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When one gets ditched in love, it either makes them or breaks them. That is the truth. But I agree with you ...that guys when ditched they take time to get out of it. I did write in one of the post , how one of my batch mates took nearly a decade to accept someone else into his life. Again the situation was similar the girl got a proposal from a guy who was financially settled and my batch mate being her batch was yet to establish...he did even speak to her parents to give him some time...but nothing happened...she could have convinced her parents but she chose not to ...in the end..she got married to someone else.

I think its because from a younger age, girls have been tutored to think that if they get married to person who parents suggest then they would be happier and secure. Women in general when they find a life partner they always chose some one with whom they would feel secure...and financial stability does play a huge role in getting this ideology of "being in a secured "relationship.

And in many cases when girls have tended to choose their own life partner have had failed marriages because they were not able to withstand the challenges that fell on them later in their life. In the end they fear the lack of support from parents as they chose to stand by their love. So, most of them prefer to play it safe when decisions have to be made.

I personally have been at that juncture years ago ..so I know how it feels and taking a decision isn't that easy because on one side you have people who have raised you , gave you loads of love and took care of your needs for 20 plus years. On the other side you have a person you love n want to lead the rest of your life loving him. I also believe that if one can discard people who took care of you for the person ( life partner ) whom you met few years/months back then during a crisis you might not even take much to ditch your life partner. You don't let go your old set of relations/family to accept new ones.

I chose not to agree to marry someone else and not to marry the person I love as I couldn't hurt my family or him. I decided to stay single...they knew I was not going to give in...and I was into my late 20s...had a professional degree, had a job , was financially independent ...so they gave in ...Even today , when relatives gather /meet for any functions I am not considered as an ideal girl as I kind of forced my family to accept someone I chose...so yes , the way society looks at a girl who opted for a love marriage is not looked upon in a very nice way... No one thinks that she stood by the man whom she fell in love with rather is always looked upon as girl who defied her family and social norms.

So cant entirely blame girls...but times are changing . Todays girls do stand up and speak their mind and is nice to see that they know what they want in life . They are very confident and have plans for their future. And parents are also a lot more understanding and friendly to their kids. The whole parent- kid dynamics have changed.

( I have never understood why they call it LOVE MARRIAGE...just because girl/boy decide to chose their life partner...the way they say it is like , people who chose arranged marriage have NO LOVE in their relationship...I believe love or arranged doesn't matter once married its all the same...ROFL...)

Here in this serial , Naina from day 1 she knew this love affair is not going to be easy but her brother's behaviour and fathers action did pull the ground away from her feet ..to top it all her friend's comment broke all her confidence. So I think its nice she took this decision because she needs to understand the importance of Sameer in her life...( Her statement that no one has loved her as much as he has will play an important role soon. What she has towards her chacha and chachi is not love its obligation. ) more than that she needs to know how to stand by a relationship and respect it. Even with Preethi she doesn't completely stand by her ...this is going to be a lesson to both. I am eagerly waiting to see how Sameer is going to get her back. I have always felt he is a very determined person . He will not let go anything that he thinks , belongs to him...this includes his Naina. So yes , I agree Naina didn't do it right , and she will soon realise it. She will never be happy if she marries anyone else. His face will keep appearing. Its Karma, that when you hurt someone , you are bound to get hurt sooner or later...what you give in life is what you get back!!

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Also more things happen .. in some real instances when guys are abondened by their lovers because of naina kind of reasons..they after coping with it...then turn into alcoholics n abuse their wives..this is very sad too kind of revenge mayb but so wrong
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Originally posted by: mishkatfanfrevr

Also more things happen .. in some real instances when guys are abondened by their lovers because of naina kind of reasons..they after coping with it...then turn into alcoholics n abuse their wives..this is very sad tookind of revenge mayb but so wrong

Yes, in some cases they loose trust in relationship...and parents force them to get married ...finally another life will also be destroyed.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hats off Doc! You just put out many of my own thoughts here. I personally liked the fact that Naina had the courage to at least tell the truth to Sameer up front...though it's a bit late to realize all that, but better late than never. As you said, once a man like Sameer has fallen in love, there is no looking back.
Loving a person is one thing, yet to take up the responsibilities that tag along with it another.
What I did not like was that Naina said she doesn't love Sameer enough to go against her family (yet to watch the episode though). Those words startled me. Sameer has come to love her the most in his life, yet Naina is considering him as the most important second priority. Naina has known for a while what she's getting into, at least now she has realized that, but then give up the chance of being happy with him without even trying wasn't good. I understand her father's behavior, her family's reaction, and then Shefali's parting words did shake her completely, but if Sameer is by her side, they can persevere. Like the sad story of your junior, whose girlfriend did not even try to broach the topic. Maybe you are right, women have the capability to mould themselves for the happiness of others. They can give in n live, but it's very difficult for a man once he's let someone make him so vulnerable, yet leave him for she finds the try to convince her parents fruitless.
Again, no rights or wrongs here. Life happens. Some decisions turn good, some bad. I am personally seeing a case with my friends, where the girl's father actually has threatened suicide, and seeing his psychological condition, he might actually do so. They've decided to break it off with great difficulty, because they can't stay happy together at the expense of their parents. Whether to take the risk or not.
All in all, though it was wise of Naina to forewarn Sameer of her shortcomings, it was equally cowardly not standing up for her love, which I expect every man/ woman in a relationship to do.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Every word of your post is so true. I have personally gone through this myself. I have been the (mean)girl who left the guy who loved her immensely for sake of family. I moved on got married but it took a very look time for him to settle down. Like you said boys are very sensitive and more emotional and we women are survivors and try to cope and adapt and try to be happy in any situation. But one thing i would like to mention, even though i have love happiness in life it is not the same, that love we experienced was so intense and strong emotion, can't explain. Even after so many years the feeling of guilt is very fresh and hurts and will never fade. After having said all this, even though I have to sympathize with Naina as she is sailing in the same boat as i did, I sympathize with Sameer, he is the weaker person here. When i say weaker person, for Sameer Naina is his everything, he can go any extent to be with her. the fact that she is not with him makes him weak. Really felt sad when i watched todays episode when he calls her multiple times, when he waves at her to say hi in college and withdraws his hand back when she doesnt reciprocate, he is going crazy and doing things without thinking -the sunaina proposal and precap.
I love the way Randeep emotes these scenes with out too much drama, just enough to touch the heart. thats why it feels real.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Brilliant post Doc.
"I do love you, but I cannot be with you because I cannot go against or break the trust of my parents"

You are so right, if boy say this he becomes mean, spineless coward. But if girl says suddenly we become very understanding to her plight!

It is also true, a boy deep in love has a tough time in moving on compared to a girl.

I have gone through the same phase, and it took lot of patience and perseverance to convince my father. It requires a different kind of mental strength to have this battle with your dear ones, the ones who have raised you so lovingly. But you can't betray the other person too who is in head over heels in love with you. Being caught up with two loving persons is sooo difficult and you don't want to hurt any of them.

In Naina's case there are contradicting dialogs. One you mentioned

"Main Sameer se Pyar Karti hoon par Itna Nahin ke Main Chacha aur Chahiji ka Bharosa Tod Doon.

And the other one when she says 'mai duniya mei sabse jyada tumhe chahati hu'. I am actually not very comfortable with the timing. After three years she decides to put a stop to this which I feel is kind of late and she has seen to what extent Sameer is committed.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I too agree ,even though understanding Naina condition but still not fully convinced about having break up with Sameer ,she shuld atleast told him to just we shuld away from some time so she shuld get some courage and fight to deal with family ...They actulally know comes so far in the relation and it's difficult to now give up so easily
Sameer not going to be cope with this all and that's why trying every possible ways to get her back even somewhere his actions are wrong too.
I hope she able to understand that it's not going to be easy for him to move on infact her as well .

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