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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: taherav

http://www.liquisearch.com/alexander_the_great/character/physical_appearance

According to this article, Alexander suffered from heterochromia iridum, meaning one eye of his was brown and the other blue in colour...the dude was a mutant!! ☢️ 😎. It also says he was short in height and his neck was in some way twisted. tilted 🤔

http://thesecondachilles.tumblr.com/post/102255824704/plutarch-life-of-alexander-chapter-4
This article says that Alexander's skin was fresh and sweet smelling and his body gave off a peculiar fragrance and a sweet smelling body was regarded as a mark of divinity in ancient Greece...hence, the reference to him being a 'Zues ka beta'?


This article is not accurate and was ridiculed by everyone
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I will happily oblige, Aunty. 😆

This was in Episode 111 aired on April 30 and starts from 10:55 here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz-ekbhEgWM


Originally posted by: taherav

Aah you brought back my memories of studying dominant and recessive genes in Biology class 😆😆.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: luckySnow


This article is not accurate and was ridiculed by everyone

I can't be sure but I read up a few more articles besides these two and all of them at least have these two things in common...his having two separate coloured eyes and his body scent...maybe Aunty Shyamala can help us out with it...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vicariously




I still remember how those eyes were glaring in pride as Olympia's retorted Hephaestion, Alexander isn't just BEHTAR, he is BEHTAREEN. And never is he going to lose to anyone. He's undefeatable. Why am I rubbing salt on my own wound ooff 😆


😆 He is invincible. He almost had me convinced that he's the son of Zeus!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: luckySnow


No no no no Alexander had dark hair...It is proved from the paintings on his father's tomb...It was Roxana who had golden hair but poets also made Alexander's hair blonde...In most movies and TV shows around the world Alexander is shown having blonde hair but he had dark black hair...Even Roxana hair is big debate😆 but in dono ki love story par itni books likhi hui hai kai everyone is confused ke kya rang tha Roxana ke hair ka😲


Philhaal to mujhe Roxanne ki aankhen kuch zyaada hi unnatural lagti hain.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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He had to be a mutant. Where else would he get this superhuman strength from?!


Originally posted by: taherav

I can't be sure but I read up a few more articles besides these two and all of them at least have these two things in common...his having two separate coloured eyes and his body scent...maybe Aunty Shyamala can help us out with it...

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Folks,

Well, here I am to try and settle your doubts about Alexander's hair and eyes.

One, the hair. I have visited Vergina while on a motoring tour of Greece from Belgrade, where I was posted then, and have seen the tomb of Philip II. I remembered the painting, a hunting scene, with the figure of Alexander on horseback with a spear in his hand, and that his hair there looked quite blond.

I was searching for a photo of that painting and have only now located it. I will try and paste it here, though I am not very clever at this sort of thing that you kids are so good at!

I am sorry, I am not able to past the picture successfully. I will try again later. But the hair in the picture is a rich blonde.

Eureka!! Got it in from photobucket! You have to congratulate me!!



I also found a write up which cites Plutarch and Curtius, and should thus be reliable.

Alexander's physical features have been described in the primary sources (Plutarch, Curtius) and he was probably a strawberry-blond with blue or grey eyes, like his mother.

Reddish blonde, because his hair was described as 'lion-colored', and blue or grey eyed because when the Greeks talked about light eyes, that is what scholars think they meant. Sometimes, as in 'grey-eyed Athena', the Greeks actually said, "grey". Since there is some argument about whether the Greeks recognized blue as a color (a whole other thread), Alexander could well have had blue or blue-green eyes, and they were classified thereby as 'light'.

Apelles, the official court painter, was criticized for portraying Alexander as darker than he was. This is one reason why the Alexander Mosaic is thought to have been ultimately based on a painting by Apelles. Even in that mosaic you can see that his eyes have light irises, although the pupils are dilated. (The iconography of the eyes belongs to the Greek tradition of showing possession by a god though wide 'staring' eyes).

But no reliable source has said that his eyes were different colors, or that he had patches of different color in his hair or on his skin. This would be noticeable enough to be remarked on. Alexander was famously not vain about his appearance, so it is unlikely he would suppress this information.

The eyes: The above paper says that he had blue or blue grey eyes, but there are reports that he had heterochromia iridum, which is an excess or a deficit of pigmentation in one eye as compared to the other. It is said that he had one blue eye and one brown. And he was NOT a mutant! What an awful word, you naughty kids!

The scent from the body: I have located a very good translation of Plutarch's Life of Alexander, and the extract below confirms, in essence (pun intended!) what you have been saying, Taherav. It confirms that his body smelled sweet at all times, but does not link that with the son of Zeus angle. It can be seen at

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Alexander*/3.html#11



Plutarch, The Parallel Lives

p225 The Life of Alexander
(Part 1 of 7)

4 1 The outward appearance of Alexander is best represented by the statues of him which Lysippus made, and it was by this artist alone that Alexander himself thought it fit that he should be modelled. 2 For those peculiarities which many of his successors and friends afterwards tried to imitate, namely, the poise of the neck, which was bent slightly to the left, and the melting glance of his eyes, this artist has accurately observed. 3 Apelles, however, in painting him as wielder of the thunder-bolt, did not reproduce his complexion, but made it too dark and swarthy. Whereas he was of a fair colour, as they say, and his p233 fairness passed into ruddiness on his breast particularly, and in his face. 4 Moreover, that a very pleasant odour exhaled from his skin and that there was a fragrance about his mouth and all his flesh, so that his garments were filled with it, this we have read in the Memoirs of Aristoxenus.

5 Now, the cause of this, perhaps, was the temperament of his body, which was a very warm and fiery one; for fragrance is generated, as Theophrastus thinks, where moist humours are acted upon by heat. 6 Wherefore the dry and parched regions of the world produce the most and best spices; for the sun draws away the moisture which, like material of corruption, abounds in vegetable bodies. 7 And in Alexander's case, it was the heat of his body, as it would seem, which made him prone to drink, and choleric.

Ok, folks, I have done my best! I hope it will be of interest and use.

Shyamala Aunty

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,


Well, here I am to try and settle your doubts about Alexander's hair and eyes.

One, the hair. I have visited Vergina while on a motoring tour of Greece from Belgrade, where I was posted then, and have seen the tomb of Philip II. I remembered the painting, a hunting scene, with the figure of Alexander on horseback with a spear in his hand, and that his hair there looked quite blond.

I was searching for a photo of that painting and have only now located it. I will try and paste it here, though I am not very clever at this sort of thing that you kids are so good at!

I am sorry, I am not able to past the picture successfully. I will try again later. But the hair in the picture is a rich blonde.

Eureka!! Got it in from photobucket! You have to congratulate me!!



I also found a write up which cites Plutarch and Curtius, and should thus be reliable.

Alexander's physical features have been described in the primary sources (Plutarch, Curtius) and he was probably a strawberry-blond with blue or grey eyes, like his mother.

Reddish blonde, because his hair was described as 'lion-colored', and blue or grey eyed because when the Greeks talked about light eyes, that is what scholars think they meant. Sometimes, as in 'grey-eyed Athena', the Greeks actually said, "grey". Since there is some argument about whether the Greeks recognized blue as a color (a whole other thread), Alexander could well have had blue or blue-green eyes, and they were classified thereby as 'light'.

Apelles, the official court painter, was criticized for portraying Alexander as darker than he was. This is one reason why the Alexander Mosaic is thought to have been ultimately based on a painting by Apelles. Even in that mosaic you can see that his eyes have light irises, although the pupils are dilated. (The iconography of the eyes belongs to the Greek tradition of showing possession by a god though wide 'staring' eyes).

But no reliable source has said that his eyes were different colors, or that he had patches of different color in his hair or on his skin. This would be noticeable enough to be remarked on. Alexander was famously not vain about his appearance, so it is unlikely he would suppress this information.

The eyes: The above paper says that he had blue or blue grey eyes, but there are reports that he had heterochromia iridum, which is an excess or a deficit of pigmentation in one eye as compared to the other. It is said that he had one blue eye and one brown. And he was NOT a mutant! What an awful word, you naughty kids!

The scent from the body: I have located a very good translation of Plutarch's Life of Alexander, and the extract below confirms, in essence (pun intended!) what you have been saying, Taherav. It confirms that his body smelled sweet at all times, but does not link that with the son of Zeus angle. It can be seen at

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Alexander*/3.html#11



Plutarch, The Parallel Lives

p225 The Life of Alexander
(Part 1 of 7)

4 1 The outward appearance of Alexander is best represented by the statues of him which Lysippus made, and it was by this artist alone that Alexander himself thought it fit that he should be modelled. 2 For those peculiarities which many of his successors and friends afterwards tried to imitate, namely, the poise of the neck, which was bent slightly to the left, and the melting glance of his eyes, this artist has accurately observed. 3 Apelles, however, in painting him as wielder of the thunder-bolt, did not reproduce his complexion, but made it too dark and swarthy. Whereas he was of a fair colour, as they say, and his p233 fairness passed into ruddiness on his breast particularly, and in his face. 4 Moreover, that a very pleasant odour exhaled from his skin and that there was a fragrance about his mouth and all his flesh, so that his garments were filled with it, this we have read in the Memoirs of Aristoxenus.

5 Now, the cause of this, perhaps, was the temperament of his body, which was a very warm and fiery one; for fragrance is generated, as Theophrastus thinks, where moist humours are acted upon by heat. 6 Wherefore the dry and parched regions of the world produce the most and best spices; for the sun draws away the moisture which, like material of corruption, abounds in vegetable bodies. 7 And in Alexander's case, it was the heat of his body, as it would seem, which made him prone to drink, and choleric.

Ok, folks, I have done my best! I hope it will be of interest and use.

Shyamala Aunty

Thank you for this Aunty!!
Okay coming to me calling Alexander a mutant..lolll it was all in jest! 😆😆 If you have watched the movie X-Men:First Class, in that Professor Xavier meets a lady in a pub who has the same condition of heterochromia iridum and he congratulates her, as part of his flirting technique, on being a mutant and having a very groovy form of mutation...Loll when I read the bit about Alexander having the same condition, I could not help myself and hence the mutant reference..personally I think mutants are cool (at least the one shown on TV/movies) ! 😆 😆

Again my remark about him being a 'Zeus ka beta' was in reference to what they keep calling him on the TV show. Since the real Alexander had a sweet smelling body and according to some Greek sources, it was considered a sign of divinity, I was just wondering if this is the reference the makers must have taken to give him the 'Zeus ka beta' title in the show. 🤔

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