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astha36

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Posted: 7 years ago

So, I was watching this video

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uk1_NSuFvQ[/YOUTUBE]

I haven't watched Oprah ever. I know she is extremely popular and famous but chat shows don't appeal to me much and I never got around to watching it. In this video though, she's sort of dismissive and borderline rude, I wonder if she's always like this?

This is such an old video, I can't even imagine any of the shows in India picking up issues like this at that time? Or I could be wrong. Anyway, also got me thinking if there are any BW people who've declared themselves to be atheists? Most of them can be seen going to Siddhivinayak temple so I wonder if there's anyone who dared to go against the tide?

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Illyrion

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Posted: 7 years ago

Wow, this is from her pre-Oprah Winfrey Show days. She is, I think, very open minded. She is known for her ability to make people comfortable and open up so I think in general she comes across as warm and sympathetic. I think you should remember that this was very early in her career and she was young and very close to her Christian upbringing.

You might want to watch other later SuperSoul Sunday's interviews on her network like with Thich Nhat Hanh. I think her beliefs evolved but she has always strongly believed in a "higher power " and that comes across in her treatment of the atheists.

The interesting thing about atheists (as opposed to agnostics) criticizing religious faith is that atheism too requires some faith. After all how can you prove there is no god?

Edit: I posted before I saw the whole video. If you've watched the end, you have seen the more mature Oprah with Diana Nyed (although she has a strange definition of atheism IMO).

Edited by Nova19 - 7 years ago

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 7 years ago

Unfortunately, can't watch the video now because my headphones at work are busted.

Javed Akhtar is an atheist. He raised Farhaan and Zoya to be atheist too. But I don't know what the kids believe. I think Kamal Hassan, Amol Palekar, Rahul Bose and Ram Gopal Verma are atheists too.

Not related to BW, but surprising factoid - Jinnah was an atheist too.

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astha36

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Nova19
Wow, this is from her pre-Oprah Winfrey Show days. She is, I think, very open minded. She is known for her ability to make people comfortable and open up so I think in general she comes across as warm and sympathetic. I think you should remember that this was very early in her career and she was young and very close to her Christian upbringing.
You might want to watch other later SuperSoul Sunday's interviews on her network like with Thich Nhat Hanh. I think her beliefs evolved but she has always strongly believed in a "higher power and that comes across in her treatment of the atheists.

The interesting thing about atheists (as opposed to agnostics) criticizing religious faith is that atheism too requires some faith. After all how can you prove there is no god?

The other woman who is an Atheist is also very young, looks younger than Oprah. So, being young has nothing to do with having this or that belief. People can be evolved at any age. I have heard a lot about Oprah, obviously, so I just wanted to know if this is her normal behaviour on her chat show. Maybe it isn't so now. So, that's okay. In this video though, Oprah comes across as someone not very intelligent.

I was really impressed with the atheist woman whose name is Annie Laurie Gaylor. She was lucid, articulate and so composed. She really defended her stance in a dignified way against everyone in the show.

I think the point is that there is no evidence towards the existence of god. So, atheists just don't want to believe in something for the sake of it. If there's reasonable evidence, they'll believe it. It's like how do you prove tooth fairies aren't real.

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Mintmargarita

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: return_to_hades
Unfortunately, can't watch the video now because my headphones at work are busted.

Javed Akhtar is an atheist. He raised Farhaan and Zoya to be atheist too. But I don't know what the kids believe. I think Kamal Hassan, Amol Palekar, Rahul Bose and Ram Gopal Verma are atheists too.
Not related to BW, but surprising factoid - Jinnah was an atheist too.

that's not correct 😕 who told you that?

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 7 years ago

Wikipedia has this list of Indian atheists, but being Wiki I don't know how much is accurate.

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astha36

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: return_to_hades
Unfortunately, can't watch the video now because my headphones at work are busted.

Javed Akhtar is an atheist. He raised Farhaan and Zoya to be atheist too. But I don't know what the kids believe. I think Kamal Hassan, Amol Palekar, Rahul Bose and Ram Gopal Verma are atheists too.
Not related to BW, but surprising factoid - Jinnah was an atheist too.

Watching Zoya talk, she does come across as someone who would take reason above faith. Not surprised. Have these people you've mentioned publicly declared their atheism or is it a guess? I mean because they aren't very religious.

I read somewhere else about Jinnah too, what is a credible source though for this fact? I'd like to know one to refer to it in future debates.

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TheRager

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Posted: 7 years ago

Tamil actress Khushboo is an atheist. She has said it on record.

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: RecklessDemon

that's not correct 😕 who told you that?

Here is an old TOI article - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/spotlight/Atheist-fundamentalists/articleshow/6014430.cms

If you read the writings and speeches by Jinnah in his early days he writes a lot about equality of humans and a common code of law. He worked tirelessly to distance himself from mullahs and Muslim religious leaders. Many historians find a lot of conflict between his personal views and the formation of Pakistan. I believe there is a book by a Pakistani author too 'something something what the nation doesnt know' (don't remember exact title) that speaks to his atheism.

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Mintmargarita

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: return_to_hades
Wikipedia has this list of Indian atheists, but being Wiki I don't know how much is accurate.

It's not correct. Wikipedia could be edited by anyone. Jinnah was born as a Muslim from Ismaili Community, he maintained his belief in Islamic faith though he was not strictly following all the practices. However, that's incompletely incorrect that he was an atheist and didn't believe in the existence of God. He was a liberal and secular muslim.

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