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Posted: 7 years ago
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Oh Lord, here she goes again!!!😆


Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Kya abla naari barsine apni masoom behan drypteis ko chote darinde/ jallad hephastian se bacha payegi.


Kya chota jallad hephastian abla naari drypteis ka tabla baja payenga

Kya drypteis jealous hogi hephastian ki sarso ki kheti dekh ke matlab hephastian ki urti ghani zulfo ko dekh kar

Kya alexander aur hephastian ki atoot rishte mai aayegi daraar farsi behano ki vajah se , ya unka rishta aur bhi gehra ho jayenga

Kya hoga alexander hephastian ke bepannaah dosti ka

Jane ke liye dekhte rahiye poras mon 2 fri 8:30 pm on sony tv

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Posted: 7 years ago
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My dear Grace,

Marriages, in those days ( and even today in the majority of Indian marriages), especially among royalty, had nothing to do with love, and everything to do with political expediency.

Hephaestion married Barsine's younger sister Drypetis at the same time as Alexander married Barsine and her cousin Parypetis (?), as part of Alexander's plan to merge the Macedonian and Persian cultures and create a mixed race that would be loyal to him alone. 80-90 Macedonian officers married Persian women at the same time.

This apart, I doubt if Hephaestion had any personal
life. He was the one person whom Alexander trusted completely, and he must have spent all his time looking after Alexander's interests.

However, Drypetis is said to have mourned his death, so he must have been a kind, if distant husband.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: shinegrace

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HELLO AUNTY

In Wikipedia I read about Hepthaestion, he had a spouse, a Persian princess Driptis. She is Barsine's sister. She entered in show last week. DOES it's means we are about to see Hehaestion's love story also ?
Shyamala Aunty, do you have any information regarding his personal life?

Grace

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Chote jallad hephastian ki zabardasti shaadi karvayi thi bade jallad alexander nai.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hephaestion is going to sue you on libel charges for labelling him as a chota jallad!😆

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Chote jallad hephastian ki zabardasti shaadi karvayi thi bade jallad alexander nai.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Aunty,
If you're using a Windows system then there is a feature called Windows Speech Recognition that works quite well.
Please see this page for more details on how to get it working on your computer.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/17208/windows-10-use-speech-recognition

As for the A-H scene I actually went back and watched a couple of previous episodes showing their private interactions to help me formulate a better response to your post. Coming soon!


Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Inlieu,

Why on earth would I take offence at such a thoughtful suggestion, showing your warm hearted concern for someone you don't know at all? i was touched, and I would like to thank you for thinking of how to help me.

I draft my posts in MS Word, edit and polish them, and when I am satisfied with them, I paste the text into the IF New Topic page and shoot it off. I am quite open to the idea of using speech writing software, but I don't work from my phone, but from my laptop. If you can suggest an app that would meet my requirements, I would try it with much relief!!

I am glad you liked this post. I enjoy writing when the subject appeals to me, but without readers like you, it would become a pointless exercise! I shall be waiting for your comments, especially about the Alexander-Hephastion scene, with which I took special pains.

Thanks again.

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 7 years ago
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My dear Deepthi,

I am very pleased that you enjoyed my post so much.

After having endured a truly lousy episode tonight, it's with great relief that I have come back to your energetic, comprehensive, very entertaining comments.

First, please don't apologize for coming in after a day. This is not an exam😉, and I will be happy to see you any time you turn up!

I begin to think, regardless of what I wrote above to Ramya and Doodie Moodie, that you are right, and Sisygambis has been cashiered. Which is very sad, as far as I'm concerned.

But Deepthi, this cannot be because Ada of Caria has been passed off here as Darius' sister. I had another look at the Halicarnassus episodes, and while Alexander does say that the Malika of Caria had been ousted by her brother, nowhere is it said, either by him or by anyone else, that she was the sister of Darius. There seems to have been some confusion here.

Puru set my teeth so much on edge today that my dentist must be rejoicing!😉How I wish that horse had ridden over him! But no, we are stuck with him for at least 2/3rds of every episode, if not the whole .

Now we shall have him trying to cock a snook at Alexander, and holding forth about Alexander's supposed duplicity vis a vis the Persians. The self-righteous goop does not understand that Alexander is completely genuine, and like Akbar 1900 years later, he is trying to blend two cultures - the Macedonian and the Persian - into a composite whole.

Oh well, it is no use complaining. The CVs are dead set on demonising Alexander and deifying Puru, and there is no getting away from it.😡

It is no consolation to me that this is not a saas bahu saga full of kitchen politics. That at least does not pretend to be anything else, whereas this is an arrant melodrama pretending to be a historical. I begin to think that soon I shall be driven to the Director's Cut of Oliver Stone's Alexander, for I don't think I will be able to lay my hands on the 1956 Alexander the Great with Richard Burton.

The only saving grace tonight was the final shot of Alexander ,with a slight, mocking smile, surveying the scene after walking down the honour guard with raised swords.

Yes, and I was proved wrong once again, for Alexander not only has that arrow wound, but he is parading around with the arrow still stuck in it, with blood running down his leg.

It was revealing that while he is limping in the tent, by the time the honour guard is in place, he manages to walk.straight through sheer will power. The king cannot limp in front of his soldiers or the Persian public!

I have only one question: Alexander is standing outside an opaque cloth screen. He has to rip it apart to be able to enter the tent. How then does he knife that Persian soldier so unerringly?

It is clear that Alexander thinks the soldier was trying to kill the three women, and they don't disabuse him of this mistaken notion.

Finally, your take on Alexander-Hephastion shows that you are one practical young lady!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: daphnejasmine

Dear Aunty


Sorry for the late reply I had an exam coming up. So now that's over i think I can give a detailed reponse to the same. Its just an injustice if I try to say good post or I agree. My thoughts on the missing mother unfortunately is that a dharna would be useless because if the CVs wanted to show history they would have done it long back. I think they are introducing the incidents and people of alexander life with some truth but not the whole truth. For instance Olympia- Philip it is said they had a strained relation and she was involved in his death the CV showed this but the presentation was different to suit their needs the Gordian Knot and the Achiles armour and the burning of the bridge was all shown according to history thankful for small mercies but i doubt you can expect the missing mother to actually turn up because she has already turned up in the serial. In history it was darius's mother who accepted alexander as a son but here they have brought darius's sister as the one who accepted alexander as a son. The queen Adaa was introduced in the place of queen sisygambis though historically there is no relation between Adaa and Darius. So I think the story of someone from darius's side accepting alexander is already shown in a distorted manner and CVs think they have already paid their debts to history they won't bother about it unfortunately I would have of course preferred alexander's history and legends being followed to the T but I thank god for at least some history being shown which I recall as you called the minimalist approached so darius relative who is alexander adopted ma is adaa his so-called sister in this serial. The missing mother already showed up and we just missed her as alexander has less screen time,

Porus and his potter act: Well what can be said the Greek Sources compared Porus to be as strong as hercules and claim alexander as Zeus's son so the CVs have time and again used it to their advantage with Alexander repeating Zeus ka beta and puru repeating Bharat ka raksha ad nauseum so they can follow history and legends in a distorted manner. So Puru acting like a greek hero hercules and doing the quintessential the same things under the tag line of a rakshak. Puru has not just this mythical hero complex but also the draw backs that come from being the typical historical male leads in serials thus far. I have not watched chandragupta maurya or Chankya serial but I started following historical serial from Prithviraj Chauhan and from then on I have always found the male leads to mahaans and too concerned about personal lives n wives than their Kingdom.
Be it PRC Akbar or MRP or Ashoka or CGM or PV in recent serials they are all mahaans and also super human who are as a result of prophecies or something unnatural with super human powers.
I think PRC Akbar and Porus are the best of lot as they actually did something for their kingdoms apart from being mahaan or worrying about who they are married or marrying in the serials though they did worry about their love stories too but not an overdose in comparison to the others, So porus will also be a super human mahaan in accordance with Indian serial requirements. There will also be unnecessary triangles and over the top speeches too can't help it, So I am just happy porus is doing something for his country instead going lachi lachi lachi or Choti ma this or Choti ma that. He is going aa raha hoon main n akand bharat which is less irritating like alexander- zeus ka beta and bharat par hukumat. Puru also is smart though he is not cunning and doesn't need a lady to turn him to the so called right path and make him an insaan from a Jallad or less of a Chand... PS I think puru has come to eat birayani at alexander barsine wedding as war is over and now barsine might marry alexander for political reasons as shown in history but puru will stand in as a brother as darius channelled usain bolt n probably give a speech on women respect or bharat mahaan to irritate alexander and impress him as no one will have the guts to irritate alexander in front of him. puru will get the title of brother and free biriyani for travelling to faras😆. This will be the distortion in this track. History 20% and Distortion 80% better than no history at all to show mahaan prem gadhas

Alexander and Hephestian- One of the famous friendship in history some say they had more than friendship I don't but I am happy they are showing it I neither care it's friendship or more I think all relationship which are selfless should be respected and am counting my blessing even though they are showing alexander as brutal as against Porus being mahaan I am happy that they are following history at least in a distorted manner instead of showing some fairy tale mahaan gadha of love romeo juliet style, Here the two parallel leads are rivals not hero n villain they are both smart n don't waste their time thinking about their so-called true love of their life (who are supposedly warrior princesses who have nothing to think of but getting married). They have goals for their kingdoms even they are repetitive sometimes cheesy n give almost similar speeches but they are doing something though puru is doing a bit of romance alexander will now start as he has met darius daughter barsine. I wonder if they will be show Barsine's sister as Roxanne or they will show only Barsine as the first wife either way i am happy. Alexander and Porus are not Majnus or complete idiots who still misunderstand their wives they have no time for Kitchen Politics and Hephestian and Hasti become good right hand men. Hasti finally got a brain donor now I think Kanish on one side like Aredius was on the other side. I love this friendship of both the rulers. Katika and Kanish and shivdutt😡 will provide the kitchen politics. Olympia and Anusuya too have political goals and won't do saas bahu drama.😆

loved your post Aunty
Deepthi

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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OK, my dear, I use Windows 10, so I shall look into this pronto. Thanks a lot.

I hope you have completely recovered from what was obviously a very bad attack of tendonitis. Do you still have to do exercises for your wrists?

While you are working on your comments on my main post, 😉
do take a look at my extended lament above, in my response to Deepthi, about tonight's abysmal episode.

Puru the Mahaan is of course ubiquitous and unavoidable, but seven minutes of Shivdutt and Kanishka is really the ruddy limit!😡

Shyamala Aunty

Aunty,
If you're using a Windows system then there is a feature called Windows Speech Recognition that works quite well.
Please see this page for more details on how to get it working on your computer.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/17208/windows-10-use-speech-recognition

As for the A-H scene I actually went back and watched a couple of previous episodes showing their private interactions to help me formulate a better response to your post. Coming soon!

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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Shyamala Aunty,
I will start with a disclaimer:
My comments here are mainly in the context of my thoughts and feelings regarding Alexander's character arc as portrayed in this show. I have not read enough "reliable" historical sources to compare and contrast in depth with what historians and others have written about his life.

Sisygambis - Would a mother by any another name be as loving?
Like many of my fellow viewers and forum members I was very much looking forward to seeing Alexander-Sisygambis interactions, not just because of what we know of their first meeting from history/legend but also because I wanted to see if my hypothesis about Alexander's soft corner for a maternal figure was on point.

Alexander is known to have been courteous towards Sisygambis right from the beginning. There is no doubt that his upbringing and noble lineage contributed to his respectful and charismatic approach to dealing with the royal family but I believe the shrewder side of Alexander did not want to get off on the wrong foot with his newly conquered Persian citizens.

Alexander did not expect cultural assimilation from his subjects, rather he revelled in the diversity of the peoples and lands he ruled over. What better way to harmonize this than to show them that his Persian-Macedonian subjects were, in his eyes, equal to the Macedonians from his birthplace, and that they had the right to be treated equally well?

As a lover of philosophy and culture, probably due to his education, he would have wanted to preserve the majesty of the Persian empire, which until then had been the biggest empire in the world. Why would a person as sensible as Alexander want to destroy such an exotic culture and disrupt their social practices by imposing his own?

Just as marriages were used to resolve or pre-empt political issues, the public acceptance and display of a filial bond between Alexander and the mother of the deserted royal family provided an extremely powerful image and reassurance to the fearful population. With the scene of Queen Ada declaring Alexander to be her son, my hopes of seeing Sisygambis were dashed, but I am glad the makers did not omit this important public display of affection altogether.

Alexander adopted his people and wanted them to do the same with him. He understood early on that in order to expand and conquer efficiently, he needed to avoid unnecessary bloodshed so that he could rule over people's hearts and not through fear. This would not only ensure their loyalty towards him in his absence and quell potential uprisings, but also increase his popularity amongst his subjects. As he says in Episode 113 - loyalty cannot be bought or forced. Persia appeared to be a patriarchal society so if the new "alpha male" in power who would control their fates were accepted as one of them, they would feel more at ease.

One of my favourite scenes in the show so far is in Episode 99 when Alexander bids his mother farewell, and says "to me you are above my life, dream, and goal" and then when he shakes his head imperceptibly asking his mother not to cry for him. He knows very well what it means for her to fear losing him forever while having the courage to let him spread his wings to leave the nest. They both know deep down that this may be their last meeting but on the outside we see their common trait: eternal optimism. Alexander's eyes simultaneously showed so much tenderness and determination to make his mother proud that I was spellbound by Rohit's performance in that scene.

They say children will always be a part of their mothers no matter how old they become, but in this case Olympias will always be a part of Alexander no matter how old and mature he becomes. As a result, Alexander would probably have a lot of respect for women and be appreciative of their intelligence and power. She was a tour de force that truly instilled in him the confidence and titanium (or perhaps Adamantium) will, so he was not bound by the traditional patriarchal mindset of women being inferior. It was telling that he comforted his sister when Philip wanted to marry her off forcefully as he did not agree to it either.

Back to my hypothesis, I had been wondering if seeing a mother figure so far from home, who was deserted by her son, softened him in a way that would be unexpected even by his aides. He would have never done that to his own mother. Sisygambis and Alexander must have made quite the impression on each other that resulted in the famous filial bond. As for Darius' mother disowning him and adopting Alexander, if this is ever shown I would not find it surprising at all. We've seen how little Darius cares for his own daughter and uses her as a pawn. Surely his mother would know of this trait but would not accept being humiliated by his cowardice when he deserted them. We are told repeatedly that Darius was a merchant and not a born ruler, so his escape was the result of his calculation of profit versus loss during the battle and not what a true leader would have done.

Alexander's treatment of women in general tells a lot about him, and the fact that he used to consider it important to control his desires rather than give in to hedonistic pleasures, unlike other rulers, explains why his single-minded pursuit of glory was so successful.

What I love is that Alexander is also able to appreciate that not all women are as formidable as his mother, and I feel his heart softened when he thought the soldier was trying to assassinate Darius's "helpless" family. In one moment he is driving the knife deeper into the soldier's chest because he "dared" to attack the three women Alexander had decided to take under his wing and in the next he turns to the scared ladies and asks them not to be concerned for their safety. How were they to know that a man with his reputation could exhibit behaviors at either end of the spectrum in this way?

The lesson he learned in Episodes 17-19 about the importance of one's name always plays a significant role in how he wants to be perceived. Word of mouth would help spread equally well how ferocious a warrior he was and how chivalrous and merciful he could be towards the conquered. He was one of the world's earliest known superstars and the impact of his name and fame were ever-present in his strategies. I expect and really hope the makers show us more of this facet of his life in future episodes.

Perhaps I read too much into that scene, but was seeing the three women fear him a disconcerting experience? It was clear in his mind that he would protect them, but his name and fame worked against him in this instant and he knew he had to put them at ease immediately. How were they to know that the man known for his brutality and ruthlessness could be sensitive towards their plight? Rohit was unbelievable in this scene too as Alexander showed a myriad of emotions (with that awful arrow stuck in his thigh).

The Battle of Issus - Day 2
Rohit was spectacular again in all the battle scenes and I think his eyes are his greatest assets in portraying a ferocious warrior with an incredibly high IQ. It was ironic that Alexander referred to himself as aaj ka khuda because eventually he was not able to decide Darius' fate on that day. Hence his wrath at being unable to stop Darius fleeing. This dialog reminded me of the scene in Episode 108 where after Alexander puts on Achilles' armor, he tells the priest that Achilles is the past and he is today's god of war, today being the operative word because his reign ended with his early death and someone else taking power.

Darius disdainfully referred to Alexander as a bachha, Alexander actually was one - a young boy in comparison to the many rulers he defeated. Over time Alexander probably believed too much in his being all powerful as a god and became a victim of his own success. He did not know when to stop - youth often fools man into thinking he is invincible and in Alexander's case his mortal body could not cope with the long periods of exertion. It is said that at one point, he became homesick and just wanted to see his mother, the original source of his strength. In the show, and possibly in real life, Alexander chooses a short life and eternal glory over long-term strategy and passing on his legacy, leading to his early death.

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I hope you will excuse me for not wanting to talk about the 4.5 musketeers.

Alexander and Hephaestion
I am not even sure how to describe this scene that Rohit and Akash have managed to pull off exceedingly well. Only these two could have made it this poignant and meaningful because there is a thin line that may have otherwise been crossed that could have made the whole scene appear cheesy.

I went back and watched previous interactions between the two, especially the head massage and hammam poisoning scenes, and there were definitely over and undertones all throughout, though done very subtly keeping viewers' sensibilities in mind. I think the makers have so far refrained from explicitly defining their relationship because it is still a source of many debates on the real Alexander and Hephaestion's lives.

In this particular scene though, we see a vulnerable side to Alexander that only Hephaestion is privy to. The only other person in the world who would have seen this side of him and still believed in him would be his mother. So I found the dialog fitting that after his mother, Hephaestion is the only one he can really trust and who really trusts him. Alexander is in a foreign land, with his army hugely outnumbered, leading his biggest military effort to date and on the cusp of taking control of the biggest empire in the world at that time. Had his mother been physically present, she would have stood by him and shown her undying support, and this is what he is asking of Hephaestion. Alexander's eyes beseech his companion and confidant to stand by him as they go through uncharted territory and to be there for him during moments of uncertainty.

Hephaestion, like Olympias, is living and breathing Alexander's ambitions and dreams with him, and there is no doubt that Alexander's glory would be incomplete if Hephaestion weren't at his side. Despite his childhood friendship and official commitment to Alexander's military campaigns, we see that their bond is strong enough for Hephaestion to be comfortable telling Alexander that even he didn't know what his friend was capable of until this battle. He sounded surprised himself and Alexander, being the astute and observant person that he is, picks up on this. He acknowledges the fact that they are both venturing into the unknown where they may end up in many unpredictable and difficult circumstances and wants to hear Hephaestion's pledge and support to be by Alexander's side no matter what. This kind of bond is only possible between two people who really know each other, and I am impressed that these two actors (and the makers) are not afraid to show the feminine side of two very "manly" warriors. It is in line with what we know of Greek cultural norms of that time, but to be able to appropriate it to today's audience is no mean feat. Knowing that they both left Macedonia and never came back, I am very glad and thankful that Alexander had Hephaestion by his side all throughout - one could not ask for a better companion, almost soulmate.

I hope you've managed to stay awake this far. It took me a little longer to reply than I had expected, but collecting my thoughts doesn't come easy.

Edited by inlieu - 7 years ago
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Is Barsine's mother pregnant? I read on wikipedia that she died in childbirth sometime after the Battle of Issus.

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