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Posted: 7 years ago
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abhi tells purab and goes back into the police station to look for pragya...pragya is leaving as per precap...he goes home and sees cookie doll and misses pragya..says she did everything for him and then left him and if she does not care for him he don't care for her...*duh*.says if pragya was indeed married she would be wearing her kumkum and mangalsutra...precap...kiara is missing and pragya and king are both looking for he...abhi and little miss angry bird meet in the hotel reception..seems kiara went to reception to get something to play with...the receptionist tells him he is a caring father angry bird says he is a new father and calls him pops...

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Seen some pics on twitter... so just asking as haven't watched episodes.. Is this King actually put up in a bungalow or spacious apartment in Delhi or some regular hotel suite as per KKB cvs & their current plot??? 😆 (how did Pragya easily get thru admission in international school using some hotel address in her admission form along with false identity..)

Balalji team seem to have used similar set for Nikhil's bungalow in KKB earlier, then in their other shows where rich male leads reside with their families..so all these years they couldn't create believable set of some hotel suite belonging to a star hotel in their Mumbai studios?? 😕
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Posted: 7 years ago
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This post is for kiara characterization based sooely on your written updates ann. Was it mili or cerealgirl or you who commented weeks ago that Indian TV can't show a normal child and more often than not they will either show a child pretty much ",angelic" or they will show them oversmart and annoying like their upbringing was not done in proper manner type? And they would be very angry if their own child in real life turns out to be like them.
I am all in for varieties..some children are "muhfat", down are "ziddi", some are ",Shaant" and so on. But why can't Indian television (for that matter even western television wasn't good) show a child like a child.Solely on your written updates for past 1 month, I am guessing Kiara is acting way too oversmart than her age (a 6 year old girl she is no?) Like a first standard child? I don't know about others but realistically it is hard to find a first standard child acting so differently than her age.

One of the main reasons (apart from 80s nostalgia and good story) for the success of movie IT and Netflix cult Stranger Things was that almost all reviewers agreed that child were acting like real life children for once. They are not shown as all dark emo and saying way "cooler" "badass" and way above their age group dialogues and antics (which is one extreme), nor an angelic "papa mom I love you" god igod is great" love conquers all" and all those stuff (other extreme). They are show as kids with normal issues, with normal behaviour, with normal fears and yes a 12-13 yo kid swears at times. That's not a shocking news. And when you show normal people doing extraordinary things, when you show scared children conquering their fear for friend and fight monsters like clown and Demogorgon, you feel a connection with them. You feel that okay they are are just like me. No special badass trait. But a moment can make an ordinary person extraordinary. I don't know anyone can connect Kiara with their childhood or their own children. To be honest I can't and I haven't observe anyone wasnlike her during my childhood days as well.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@ Prozium, I think it was LA who commented on children? I haven't gotten as far as the child. The parents are making me too exhausted, weary and putting me through a wringer🤢
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Good afternoon girls !!!!
Thanks Ann. EXHAUSTING EPISODE🤢. Not even Shabir's acting could save Abhi from my wrath today😡

I think the writers have completely lost it and made Abhi a psychotic guy with disconnected monologues, ludicrous justifications, garbled ramblings. I couldn't make sense of this guy, any which way I twist myself.

King was at the receiving end of an unfair and totally uncalled for lecture today from Pragya. I felt bad for the guy who shut up and calmly listened to her, long, convoluted lecture😲. In the end, it was stop drinking and don't make a scene. For that, I don't know why she had to invoke herself and threatened him about not going to lie for him, only care about your image but not my responsibility to change your personality, yada, yada, yada. I am sorry, but King could also say the same, right, you are an employee, your child, her future, your responsibility, I won't change my ways to make life easier for your child😲. I don't know why, but the writers are hasty to prove something, that Pragya shares only a employee-boss relationship with King. It is pretty evident right, we don't need any confirmations, any reiterations about their relationship. They can't have it both ways, help find school admission for my child as a friend/ father figure, secure her future as a friend/ father figure, but I will only care for you as an employee, won't care for you as a friend. That was pretty lame. He is a friend and a employer, you can't call him a friend when you need him and call yourself an employee, so you don't have to help him with his demons. I am sorry, I was very confused and irritated by that lecture😡. No lecture to Abhi was this long EVER. I support King's reaction to that lecture, left without a word, hurt👍🏼❤️🤗. Frankly, I felt she was slightly rude to King, which I have never seen her to be with anybody.

I liked the scene of Abhi running after her car with anguish. But that is it😲 From then on, he went completely downhill, psychotic, chauvinistic, deranged, incoherent, bigoted, egoistic, self obsessed in actions, thoughts and justification. 👎🏼 I can't write a coherent paragraph, so here are the highlights.

1. I left you because I was in gussa, why did you leave me? Guys, I have been saying, he will turn this around and blame her for leaving him and breaking the promise of never leaving him. Did he ever think about what he said to her, the words that might have shattered her to bits? Gussa is his excuse for being savage, violent and abusive? So she should have shoved her pain, her self respect at being called inauspicious, bad luck, root cause of all problems in his life, that he wished he never met her in his life and asked her to brutally get out with ferocious force and clung to him? I am trying to understand, is that his expectation? 😡

2. Here I was thinking about you every second of the way, and you married somebody else? Goodness, gracious, is this guy even real? When did he think about her, when he sent her away and never looked back, when he never cared to find her for 7 long years, when Sunny was born, did he wonder about a possible pregnancy, when he mxxx the xxx or when he was celebrating his axxx with the xxx and reveling in how peaceful and happy his family is in her absence and how the xxx is the best thing that happened to him? When exactly?????? 😡😭

3. Now we have to hear some Kumkum lines from him, how important it is to a suhagan. Totally irritated and over my head with those lines Is she only caretaker of the kumkum? Does he not have the responsibility of upholding that kumkum? Did he remember about that kumkum when he mxxx that xxx that the kumkum belongs to Pragya? Or as a granter of kumkum, he can grant it to anybody and any number of people he pleases, but the receivers should all be loyal to him? There is a difference between granters and receivers???? Is that it???😡

4. He had waited for her for 5 WHOLE MONTHS😲 or 😡 or🤣or? Just this week, I met a man in his 70s who is refusing to move closer to his children from his dilapidated house with failing health because he thinks, he might, he just might miss his wife who might come back, who was kidnapped 43 years ago and cold cased, as she only knows this house where she could find him in case she ever came back😲 Are the writers crazy to have given this line to Abhi? That is the amount of time given to a wife who had been through hell and high water for you ? I never knew the time lines are so tight? If I decide to take that sabbatical for 6 months, could I be put out on the pasture because I was absent from the house for 5 + months?😡🤢 But why did he expect her to come voluntarily after he sent her out with such glowing commendation??? 💔So if he was waiting for her and she didn't return after you throwing her out, what about trying to find her ? Doesn't he have the resources to do so? Let us say, Daadi walked out on him, he would just wait in his house for her return and then move on with frustration and wash his hands off of her? Or would he turn the world upside down to find her? What am I asking? He didn't look for her when he saw her hunted down like an animal and shot in front of his eyes and floated away in the raging river from his arms. What am I asking for ???😭

5. He justified his marriage while questioning Pragya's actions. So he is OK if it was a "samjahuta". Guys, I am fed up with this word too, I have to blank it from now onwards. Pretty soon, I will have no vocabulary😲. So let me get this straight, he is OK if he is in a sxxx mxxx and if Pragya is also in a sxxx mxxx but then how will either of them be related then? She should still wear his kumkum and call him husband????Is this a new interpretation of kumkum relationship, the writers are enlightening us about ? Go with anybody but keep the kumkum from only one person and then you will be considered to be in a glorious matrimony😡 I don't understand what he wanted from her really. Where was he going to fit her if she came back right at this moment? In what role??? 👎🏼

Abhi depicted the role of a perfect lunatic with psychosis with no insight, disjointed thought process, monologues and actions😡 I can see that he is going to rub xxx in Pragya's face from now onwards and the sorry man will probably flaunt his xxx in the face of Kiara as well.

I am sure I may have forgotten many more things from the episode, I don't have the strength to even remember. I thought we would get a sensitive Abhi who would remember and reminisce his wrong doings at least for one day, but NOOO.

WORTHLESS EPISODE👎🏼. That is it from me.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Who ever is sill tolerating what ever trash is being shown while patiently watching these KKB episodes for different reasons.. I have said this even earlier kindly don't expect any sensible, reasonably convincing, entertaining leap track script with believable characterizations from Anil, Nitin & co..in KKB since when lazy copy n paste mechanisms get adapted not one but from multiple old soaps, mess up and misalignment bound to happen.😵 and when cast & crew tries to do quick fixes as cover up without connections and continuity to safe guard certain characters dominating presence in the show by sticking by large to original plot, then shoddy glare ups gets much wider..🤔

The quicker one realizes and accepts that the lead characters, their current behaviors, their new fake relationships, their mockery of marriage institution, their thought process, their decisions, their monologues and dialogues have LEAST to do with original Abhi & Pragya lead characters,or their graphs and journey happened for 4 years, their bonding as Abhigya that was shown to us in a show titled as Kumkumbhagya., the better it would be..😳when acceptance gets stronger, lesser would be misery...


What ever time we spend more in any online forum to discuss or get into deep analysis of Abhi or Pragya as individuals or as married couple in the current leap track setup, its wise to refer to Jai Walia, Raman Bhalla, Bani, Ishitha, Rishi, Tanuja etc. kind of old Ballaji lead characters & their behaviors and usage, then answers to some of these KKB happenings might become little easier, though leads are fully unrecognizable.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@LA I think they have shown abhi the worst version out of all Balaji male chauvinistic characters. I can throw Pragya out whenever I want but like a good puppy wagging the tail and coming back to the owner even when kicked, Pragya should come back. Because if she doesn't it is HER fault. Not mine. Because I have the power to do shit on her and yet she should serve me 36 course meal otherwise she broke my TRUST. Serious deathbells to a character. The writers even while copy pasting from their old Balaji serials managed to screw the simple copy paste job by completely destroying abhi. One could have a bit (even though those characters were also heavily chauvinistic) sympathy with Anurag/Jai/Raman but Abhi case is probably worst of the lot.
And showing king negative or reinforcing Pragya king employee employer relation or randomly Kiara saying pops to a strangeris really pathetic and extremely lazy storywriting. Are makers fearful that king will turn into mr.bajaj who was signed for a six week cameo only to reunite prerna and Anurag and end up being a parallel lead and prerna long term husband for good measure of time (and Anurag was still far better than abhi yet 2002 people rejected him. How will 2018 junta will accept Abhi again)

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I comprehend completely..

Problem here is Sriti & Shabir are too grounded, professional, non-interfering, non-complaining, supportive actors unlike many others from current TV industry and above all they seem to feel indebted for loads of love, fame & money they received thru KKB globally for playing Pragya & Abhi for so long. More over Shabir & family is close to Ekta personally. It looks like both leads fully trusted Balalji team who showcased experience of handling same leap kids separation tracks for many years, that they'll launch it and execute it well, which hasn't been the scenario so far. (Initial March press releases, interviews and leap promos never hinted at Tanu angle in the new leap track, sort of hints this was later added into plot to retain actress with meaty role and thus messed up more)


Based on my little understanding Mishal and child artist playing Kiara are yet to bring loads of new viewers into KKB, be it India or global..Kiara as Abhi & Pragya's supposedly cute little daughter or as 6 yrs old doesn't deem fit into most Indian TV viewers taste with kind of costumes, hair, over all styling, OTT teenager matured talks and behavior her character has been subjected, and leaving her protective mothers hand to cozy up to strangers giving them philosophical gyans.😳.. its too much to absorb.. And most Mishal fans who tried watching KKB as they have been missing him on TV screens for long seem to be non-KKB viewers, and they don't yet seem to like the track or characters usage or story telling style of Balaji much.


It also looks like right from 2nd week of leap track writers/cvs/directors even channel & Ekta might have felt little skeptical that in addition to heartbroken Abhigya fans, Abhi & Shabir fans may also be leaving show by quickly assuming King & Mishal to be the new lead of KKB, also due to negative media reviews and huge fans outrage against Abhi..


So makers might have slowed down for couple of weeks before focusing fully on King & Kiara about their initial plot of Abhi still hates Pragya be it pre and post leap and how much he wants to destroy Pragya as a new villain of KKB, wanting to snatch away kid from her once he knows her existence. as this track supposedly belongs to King & Kiara NOT to Abhigya. But how much can Shabir cover up for Abhi's crude character assassination and for how long cvs can sustain his fans by delaying Abhi & Pragya confrontation and revenge episodes is big question..😕


Neither can Abhi be redeemed fully even when KKB ends, nor can Abhigya get back their initial charm & bonding..nor can Pragya get back same levels of sympathy.. all are gone...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Ok now to a viable question..


Why nobody watching current leap track is doubting that may be Pragya already knows about criminal Taaliya's permanent places in Abhi's life with new respectable identity 'tags' that he has officially besotted on them with his memory/senses still intact but forgiving and forgetting every damn crime, 😵or if Pragya was blackmailed by villains when she tried contacting Abhi in past after knowing about her pregnancy, hence she decided to stayed away from Abhi and from going back to Mumbai all these years??? 😛
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Originally posted by: Prozium

This post is for kiara characterization based sooely on your written updates ann. Was it mili or cerealgirl or you who commented weeks ago that Indian TV can't show a normal child and more often than not they will either show a child pretty much ",angelic" or they will show them oversmart and annoying like their upbringing was not done in proper manner type? And they would be very angry if their own child in real life turns out to be like them.

I am all in for varieties..some children are "muhfat", down are "ziddi", some are ",Shaant" and so on. But why can't Indian television (for that matter even western television wasn't good) show a child like a child.Solely on your written updates for past 1 month, I am guessing Kiara is acting way too oversmart than her age (a 6 year old girl she is no?) Like a first standard child? I don't know about others but realistically it is hard to find a first standard child acting so differently than her age.

One of the main reasons (apart from 80s nostalgia and good story) for the success of movie IT and Netflix cult Stranger Things was that almost all reviewers agreed that child were acting like real life children for once. They are not shown as all dark emo and saying way "cooler" "badass" and way above their age group dialogues and antics (which is one extreme), nor an angelic "papa mom I love you" god igod is great" love conquers all" and all those stuff (other extreme). They are show as kids with normal issues, with normal behaviour, with normal fears and yes a 12-13 yo kid swears at times. That's not a shocking news. And when you show normal people doing extraordinary things, when you show scared children conquering their fear for friend and fight monsters like clown and Demogorgon, you feel a connection with them. You feel that okay they are are just like me. No special badass trait. But a moment can make an ordinary person extraordinary. I don't know anyone can connect Kiara with their childhood or their own children. To be honest I can't and I haven't observe anyone wasnlike her during my childhood days as well.


I havent watched much of Kiara online also, but from what I read, she keeps her mom searching for her and calls random strangers Dad, Pops.. those silly fights with Sunny for nothing..she could have done that after knowing her biological father's identity but for now, I see writer's inability to provide quality content, be it elders or kids..


I watched parts of Ganga serial for the girl who played Ganga as kid and I thought she was one very endearing kid so was Sagar.. both the kids acting-wise and their characters were very nice..

there may be more shows which had better kid characters.. I want to assume problem is with Balaji's writers only..

In one word, to make more episodes and keep making money out of the same show, the PH and channel messed up big time..

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