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Posted: 7 years ago
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Thank you for a nuanced and rational explanation of your stand on this. I live in hope😉, which includes Mrinal doing a Draupadi, with Sindhu standing in for Dusshasana!

Shyamala Cowsik

Originally posted by: .CHOTA_DON.


I agree with you that the impact of his decision will not do a greater good.. But what I feel is that they had to make Prithvi practice what he preached.. Had guessed they would show Prithvi forgiving Sindhu but didn't know that it would be this fast.. Prithvi was and is expecting Mrinal to forgive Singhdant .. If Prithvi does not do that and expect mrinal to forgive whose whole whole family was killed by his father, it would have become hypocritical of him.. So, demand of the story or whatever we may call it but it had to be happened.. Not that I think Mrinal will still be quite impressed but Prithvi stood by his principles.. I don't know but I feel Sindhu's end may also be near.. 😆Mrinal has vowed to kill him and wash her hands with Sindhu's blood... 😆

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Posted: 7 years ago
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My dear Juhi,

You would make an excellent advocate. Honestly. Now that was a most persuasive pitch for the show, and just because of you, I shall change my mind and stay with it. As I watch it on TV and not online, that should help with the TRPs!😉😉

Shyamala Cowsik

PS: But don't be too optimistic about having less of Kosha. We are likely to land up with Kosha Jr.as well!!😆


You should wait for more time. You may love the show😊. It's better than many other historical shows. Every character is grey bere except few. Yes Kosha was shown more but it's reduced much now. They can't show the leads all the time. Every characters are necessary to be shown. Now Afghan track is coming and then PriNal marriage track. And also Ankit Arora(the famous historical/mythological villain) is entering soon. Sab show me kuch na kuch galtiyan hoti hai. Par yaha galtiyan kam hai. As for Singhdant, he said to Mrinal when she attached him for the 1st time that 'mera paksh to sun lo Mrinal' which shows there may be more to what we saw which may be shown later. But even if Mrinal's father was at fault he should have killed just him not her mother and sisters. Also he should not have attached from back during a festival.



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

What Sindhu committed was not a blunder. It was one of

the vilest crimes imaginable: parricide, that too committed in cold blood.

Nor is it the sole objective of punishment to correct and reform the wrongdoer. As the word itself makes it clear, it is also meant to make the person pay for his/her crime.


Sindhu should have been sentenced to life imprisonment, seeing that Malwa doesn't have capital punishment.By trying to make Prithvi out to be a reincarnation of the Lord Buddha, the script has reduced a very serious matter to a farce.

For now, whenever any citizen of Malwa murders someone else, and then pleads for similar treatment claiming that he is deeply and truly. repentant, he will have to be forgiven, just as Sindhu was. The same would apply for all lesser crimes. The consequences can be readily imagined.

As for Mrinal's father, he was, so far as one could make out, killed in the heat of battle. Not when he was asleep in bed. Her mother committed suicide. The two cases are not comparable

I don't think this unbelievable decision by Prithvi is going to help with the TRPs either. Most viewers would be shocked and outraged by such leniency for such a terrible crime.

Shyamala B. Cowsik

I understand what u r saying. Believe me this was the 1st thought that came to my mind after his announcement. But when I analyze it then get a clear vision about his justice. I said it in my post if his decision may be wrong or right ..only time will decide.
Sindhu ki life imprisonment koi help krti usse sudharne mein? Agar punishment dene se log sudhar jaate to aaj hum ek behtar samaaj mein hote.

I'm happy this show is not for TRP otherwise we would get even worsen than tha. It is much better show which atleast shows us about humans nature.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: maharathikarna

Sindhuraj does not deserve forgiveness in any angle. It is like feeding snake and expecting it not to bite. What rocky balboa says to his son in rocky 6 is perfectly applicable for sindhuraj. When things got tough for you in life, you started look for some big shadow to point finger and say you didnt get what you deserved because of him, her or anybody. Cowards do that.

Pr har snake kaat nhi sakta kyu ki usske daant nikal liye jaate hai. Sindhu ke bhi nikal gye Mahakai ke roop mein ab wo phir se nakli daant na le aaye ye to kehna mushkil hai. Aur Sindhu ko banish bhi kr dete to bhi wo kisi dushman ke saath nhi mil jaata aur koi saazish nhi krta ye bhi surety nhi thi. Ab kam se kam roj usse apni galti to dekhne ko milegi aur ehsaas bhi hoga ki ussne kya kiya hai.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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My dear Neett,

I am really pleased that you see where I was coming from. Your analysis is very detailed and dispassionate, but my problem is that when the crime is that of murdering one's father, I cannot view it dispassionately at all.There have been very few parricides in Indian history, even Aurangzeb did not kill his father.

I was so furious watching the crime committed, and even more so seeing Sindhu get away with it. I have read Mano's beautiful alternative take on the issue as well, but the whole thing hinges on how much of a conscience Sindhu has. Personally, I think he is faking his repentance, but maybe I am prejudiced!

The other thing, for me, is that one has to pay for one's crimes. Repentance is not enough. Moreover, if Prithvi was a private person, he can forgive whomever he likes, for that affects only himself. But he is a king and he has to think first and foremost of the very bad precedent he has now set with his decision.

Anyhow, with Satyashray looming ahead as a horrendous monster, Sindhu the parricide might soon seem like small potatoes!

As for the TRP angle, I agree with you in principle, but if the TRPs fall too much, Sony is likely to shut the show down ahead of time. They butchered the superb Peshwa Bajirao, one of the best historical shows I have ever seen , and they closed it prematurely in a manner that was enough to make one weep.

Shyamala Cowsik

Originally posted by: Neett


I understand what u r saying. Believe me this was the 1st thought that came to my mind after his announcement. But when I analyze it then get a clear vision about his justice. I said it in my post if his decision may be wrong or right ..only time will decide.
Sindhu ki life imprisonment koi help krti usse sudharne mein? Agar punishment dene se log sudhar jaate to aaj hum ek behtar samaaj mein hote.

I'm happy this show is not for TRP otherwise we would get even worsen than tha. It is much better show which atleast shows us about humans nature.


Originally posted by: sashashyam

What Sindhu committed was not a blunder. It was one of

the vilest crimes imaginable: parricide, that too committed in cold blood.

Nor is it the sole objective of punishment to correct and reform the wrongdoer. As the word itself makes it clear, it is also meant to make the person pay for his/her crime.


Sindhu should have been sentenced to life imprisonment, seeing that Malwa doesn't have capital punishment.By trying to make Prithvi out to be a reincarnation of the Lord Buddha, the script has reduced a very serious matter to a farce.

For now, whenever any citizen of Malwa murders someone else, and then pleads for similar treatment claiming that he is deeply and truly. repentant, he will have to be forgiven, just as Sindhu was. The same would apply for all lesser crimes. The consequences can be readily imagined.

As for Mrinal's father, he was, so far as one could make out, killed in the heat of battle. Not when he was asleep in bed. Her mother committed suicide. The two cases are not comparable

I don't think this unbelievable decision by Prithvi is going to help with the TRPs either. Most viewers would be shocked and outraged by such leniency for such a terrible crime.

Shyamala B. Cowsik

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Beautiful post!
I loved your previous post as well
The one about trust
But couldn't comment

This one is as wonderful as the earlier one.

I don't know what Prithvi did was right or not, but he certainly isn't a hypocrite and practices what he preach. Like he could forgive Singhdant for his crimes as he was truly repenting, he could forgive Sindhu as well who killed his father n tried to frame him for the same. Its important for the story as well. By standing in Mrinal's shoes he could forgive his wrong doer. Thereby setting an example for her.

But my problem is the way it is shown. It was too quick. They should have given a scene where he is in a delima, where he contemplates as to what led Sindhu kill the father he loved so much! Or where he explains what he is doing n why he is doing, to make it clear for the audience.

I think the look which Prithvi had on the throne was a contemplating or a deep kind of a look. Just with the insertion of few FBs of Singhdant's last wish n Sindhu's love for Singhdant would have been more effective. It has nothing to do with content, but editing or technical issues.

Otherwise the show is well written n certainly one of the best written historicals in ITV.
It reminds me of Siyasat which dealt with the most complex grey characters and the FL being the ideal, here it's PV the ML who's phylosophy is shown. They too went till the extent of showing the ML trying to kill his father in cold blood due to his hunger for power, yet given a chance , going through redemption n finally emerging as the King. So yes I can connect to Prithvi's forgiveness and the teaching imparted. But it was rushed and could have been explained better.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: .CHOTA_DON.


I agree with you that the impact of his decision will not do a greater good.. But what I feel is that they had to make Prithvi practice what he preached.. Had guessed they would show Prithvi forgiving Sindhu but didn't know that it would be this fast.. Prithvi was and is expecting Mrinal to forgive Singhdant .. If Prithvi does not do that and expect mrinal to forgive whose whole whole family was killed by his father, it would have become hypocritical of him.. So, demand of the story or whatever we may call it but it had to be happened.. Not that I think Mrinal will still be quite impressed but Prithvi stood by his principles.. I don't know but I feel Sindhu's end may also be near.. 😆Mrinal has vowed to kill him and wash her hands with Sindhu's blood... 😆


well mrinal can still stand up n say . it was ur brother & ur mothers son, bhoj's father & savitri's husband. so u could easily forgive him.

secondly for a murder, punishment it also given to give a sense of justice to the deceased's family. Also jail term is so that such people do not roam free and cause more harm to others
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: CutiepieAD

Beautiful post!

I loved your previous post as well
The one about trust
But couldn't comment

This one is as wonderful as the earlier one.

I don't know what Prithvi did was right or not, but he certainly isn't a hypocrite and practices what he preach. Like he could forgive Singhdant for his crimes as he was truly repenting, he could forgive Sindhu as well who killed his father n tried to frame him for the same. Its important for the story as well. By standing in Mrinal's shoes he could forgive his wrong doer. Thereby setting an example for her.

But my problem is the way it is shown. It was too quick. They should have given a scene where he is in a delima, where he contemplates as to what led Sindhu kill the father he loved so much! Or where he explains what he is doing n why he is doing, to make it clear for the audience.

I think the look which Prithvi had on the throne was a contemplating or a deep kind of a look. Just with the insertion of few FBs of Singhdant's last wish n Sindhu's love for Singhdant would have been more effective. It has nothing to do with content, but editing or technical issues.

Otherwise the show is well written n certainly one of the best written historicals in ITV.
It reminds me of Siyasat which dealt with the most complex grey characters and the FL being the ideal, here it's PV the ML who's phylosophy is shown. They too went till the extent of showing the ML trying to kill his father in cold blood due to his hunger for power, yet given a chance , going through redemption n finally emerging as the King. So yes I can connect to Prithvi's forgiveness and the teaching imparted. But it was rushed and could have been explained better.


i would have wanted to see at least some of repentance also. something that he was really repenting for what he did & trying to make amends
But no the forgiveness happened just before he was defending the decicion of his killing and calling prithvi bargad ka ped.
Now half of the hate from sindhu stems from the fact that prithvi is not his real brother not his fathers blood so he deserves the throne over him. if prithvi was his real brother would he have wanted the throne over his elder brother. maybe not. i wonder where this difference stems from as singhdant never differentiated that prithvi was not his real son

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: naq5


i would have wanted to see at least some of repentance also. something that he was really repenting for what he did & trying to make amends
But no the forgiveness happened just before he was defending the decicion of his killing and calling prithvi bargad ka ped.
Now half of the hate from sindhu stems from the fact that prithvi is not his real brother not his fathers blood so he deserves the throne over him. if prithvi was his real brother would he have wanted the throne over his elder brother. maybe not. i wonder where this difference stems from as singhdant never differentiated that prithvi was not his real soon


Yes it was very rushed, they should have shown Prithvi is angry initially and then seeing Sindhuraaj's repentance he forgives him.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@ Shyamala and Aditi
So sweet of both of u.!! Thank u so much:) Glad to hear that u liked whatever I said.

Prithvi ne jo kiya wo practically accept krna mushkil hai kyuki wo ek person tha. Lekin hume 10th aur 21st century ka difference ko bhi samjhna hoga. Tab shayad baar -2 hearing nhi hoti hogi aur court mein ek time mein hi judgement de di jaati hogi. Aur Prithvi ko bhi yehi krna tha jab Sindhu apna crime accept kr chuka tha ..issliye jaldbaazi mein ye faisla hua.

@ Shyamala.. Accepted ki Aurangzeb ne apne pita ki jaan nhi li thi pr jo zindgi ussne di thi wo maut se kam bhi to nhi thi.

Kam se kam Sindhu ne accept to kiya ki ussne gunah kiya hai aur sazaa bhi maangi. Mujhe wo fake nhi lagi kyuki ek pal ke liye hi sahi pr usse ehsaas ho gya tha ki ussne kiya kya hai.


@Aditi.. sahi kaha tumne ki ye maafi ka scene kuch jyada hi jaldi mein dikhaya gya hai.. thode FB hote to shayad hum sab ko isse accept krne mein itni mushkil na hoti.

Pta nhi tumne notice kiya ya nhi lekin jab Sindhu ne Prithvi ko 'bargad' kaha tha to Prithvi ekdum se chaunka tha.. jaise kuch realise hua ho usse. May b uss time usse lga ho ki Sindhu ke saath saath wo sab bhi kahin na kahin iss situation ke liye responsible hain.

I hope ki kal ke epi mein hume ek scene mil jaaye jahan koi to Prithvi se usske iss maafi wale faisle pe explanation maange. Tab shayad hume kuch clear ho jaaye ki Prithvi ne aisa kyu kiya. Waise bhi ye show humesha ek suspence create krta hai ek week jo nxt week jaa kr khulta hai.

P.S. .. Sorry. .busy thi to reply late hua
Edited by Neett - 7 years ago

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