Chandra and Bela: Tagore's Punishment/Shashti

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Shashti/Punishment by Rabindranath Tagore
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Two brothers Dukhiram and Chidam and their wives, Radha and Chandra. In a moment of rage, Dukhiram killed his ever quarrelsome wife, Radha and Chidam blurted out that it was Chandra who did it, when a neighbour walked in the scene. And, the lie took a solid form and a flabbergasted Chandra was asked by her husband to take the blame. On being advised to save his wife, Chidam reacted with, "If I lose my wife I can always get another one, but if my brother hangs I cannot get another brother."

Chandra turned into a stone and admitted the crime of killing her sister-in-law thwarting her husband's attempts to save her. Guilt-ridden, both Chidam and Dukhiram pleaded guilty of the crime after meandering through different stories, bu the judge listened to Chandra - petite, graceful, with eyes full of curiosity and mischief, not even 20 Chandra, who never wavered from her story unlike others. She was found guilty and given death penalty.

Before being hanged, she said she loved her husband but on being informed that he wanted to see her one last time, she cried for death.

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When Anand pronounced that it was Bela who would leave the house, this is the story that flashed in my mind.

Wise, progressive, calm, content, gentle he may be, but in the end he also turned out to be product of a patriarchal society.

Anand immensely disappointed me yesterday.

His brother can get away with murder (the phrase fits so well here), but his wife - his loving, thodi naadan-nasamaj but one whose heart is firmly in right place wife, she did a mistake in a moment of anger, and he banished her from her home.

Her home - how easily he said get out of my home. Because, a home is a husband's not a wife's according to him and many.

His brother twisted every word uttered by everyone present, but he could go unchecked because he was the brother. While his wife gets the bitterest punishment for a married women of the time (rather even now for many women), for a slip of tongue.

I am not saying that Bela did not do any wrong. Uttering Rakesh's truth before the whole world was not right. She should have a better self-control. She is not Taiji but a much better woman.

Nor she is the wisest cookie on the board. She is a simple - even simpleton, god-fearing woman, making mistakes like ill-treating a christian girl at first meeting and yet welcoming her on being guided by her husband. Bela...Bela..my heart went out to you.

And, I get when Anand said that a good person hurts deep, when his trust is broken. Anand loves his wife just like Chidam loved Chandra; loves, cares, respects, pampers - all that a good husband should do, but he doesn't treat her as other half of his being.

Anand taught a lesson to his three daughters today - their husbands can always throw them out, if they cast even a finger to his relatives and oh God forbid their elders, how much ever at fault they may be. Bravo, Anand! 👏

Just being an elder doesn't given anyone right to do as they please and hurt others. Anand, you also got lessons to learn.

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Chandra in Shashti is a much stronger woman and refuses to accept her remorseful husband. Bela is not Chandra and will be back in a heartbeat. But, still what both faced is the same. Only that Tagore's female characters of more than a century ago were much stronger.

At least, Naina has a better backbone. I am wondering if grown-up Naina ever looked back on this day and reminded her beloved chachaji that he was in wrong that day.










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Posted: 7 years ago
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Excellent post👏👏👏.I was reminded of the same story when this incident was shown on YUDKBH.Just that I didn't have the patience to post a detailed analogy here.

I so agree with you when you say that Anand taught his daughters a lesson today."Trust no one..and certainly don't trust your husband even if he has been super sweet to you 20 + years" Anand proved yet again that Blood is thicker than water.I didn't expect this show to come with something so regressive.But then such people were and are very much alive in our society,so maybe the show is only depicting the truth.But it was a very bitter pill to swallow.

And you are right..Tagore's women characters are very strong and independent.Bela could certainly take a leaf out of Chandra's book...Would have loved to see the look on Anand's face if Bela had walked out and said that she wouldn't return..😆😆



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Even a man of principle like Anand fell into these category of people for whom blood is thicker than watee. Really disappointing. Your story is total similar to situation.
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The Tagore story which you have mentioned here as an analogy, I read it for the first time...
And now that I know about the story, I can totally relate to your analogy ...

Bela was wrong no doubt! But Anand's harsh treatment with her was also not appropriate!
Bela is a simple lady who commits mistakes just like all of us. And the best part was she was apologetic for her deeds. Still Anand was adamant about throwing her out of the house. In a marriage of so many years, there must have been times when even Anand must have committed mistakes. But did he deserve such punishment for his mistakes? No!
Then why such punishment to Bela who is her partner of so many years. He knows her in and out.
Yes what she did was wrong and Anand has the right to be angry on her. But asking her to leave the house definitely is a sign of patriarchal mindset.
Agreed that his thinking is much better than his brothers, but still in certain situations he also seems to be a bit patriarchal.

Amazing post! 👏
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Originally posted by: Noe123

Shashti/Punishment by Rabindranath Tagore

*****Spoilers Ahead*****

Two brothers Dukhiram and Chidam and their wives, Radha and Chandra. In a moment of rage, Dukhiram killed his ever quarrelsome wife, Radha and Chidam blurted out that it was Chandra who did it, when a neighbour walked in the scene. And, the lie took a solid form and a flabbergasted Chandra was asked by her husband to take the blame. On being advised to save his wife, Chidam reacted with, "If I lose my wife I can always get another one, but if my brother hangs I cannot get another brother."

Chandra turned into a stone and admitted the crime of killing her sister-in-law thwarting her husband's attempts to save her. Guilt-ridden, both Chidam and Dukhiram pleaded guilty of the crime after meandering through different stories, bu the judge listened to Chandra - petite, graceful, with eyes full of curiosity and mischief, not even 20 Chandra, who never wavered from her story unlike others. She was found guilty and given death penalty.

Before being hanged, she said she loved her husband but on being informed that he wanted to see her one last time, she cried for death.

***************************

When Anand pronounced that it was Bela who would leave the house, this is the story that flashed in my mind.

Wise, progressive, calm, content, gentle he may be, but in the end he also turned out to be product of a patriarchal society.

Anand immensely disappointed me yesterday.

His brother can get away with murder (the phrase fits so well here), but his wife - his loving, thodi naadan-nasamaj but one whose heart is firmly in right place wife, she did a mistake in a moment of anger, and he banished her from her home.

Her home - how easily he said get out of my home. Because, a home is a husband's not a wife's according to him and many.

His brother twisted every word uttered by everyone present, but he could go unchecked because he was the brother. While his wife gets the bitterest punishment for a married women of the time (rather even now for many women), for a slip of tongue.

I am not saying that Bela did not do any wrong. Uttering Rakesh's truth before the whole world was not right. She should have a better self-control. She is not Taiji but a much better woman.

Nor she is the wisest cookie on the board. She is a simple - even simpleton, god-fearing woman, making mistakes like ill-treating a christian girl at first meeting and yet welcoming her on being guided by her husband. Bela...Bela..my heart went out to you.

And, I get when Anand said that a good person hurts deep, when his trust is broken. Anand loves his wife just like Chidam loved Chandra; loves, cares, respects, pampers - all that a good husband should do, but he doesn't treat her as other half of his being.

Anand taught a lesson to his three daughters today - their husbands can always throw them out, if they cast even a finger to his relatives and oh God forbid their elders, how much ever at fault they may be. Bravo, Anand! 👏

Just being an elder doesn't given anyone right to do as they please and hurt others. Anand, you also got lessons to learn.

--------------------------

Chandra in Shashti is a much stronger woman and refuses to accept her remorseful husband. Bela is not Chandra and will be back in a heartbeat. But, still what both faced is the same. Only that Tagore's female characters of more than a century ago were much stronger.

At least, Naina has a better backbone. I am wondering if grown-up Naina ever looked back on this day and reminded her beloved chachaji that he was in wrong that day.






Fabulous Post !! 👏👏

Yesterday seeing Anand spout that...i fell into a deep silence. Though Tagore's story you quoted above did not occur to me but when I read it...it all came back to me...having read this long ago. As you so rightly you said...the character of Chandra written more than hundred years ago...was such a strong characterisation.


Have some thoughts to share on this in the light of how this aspect could have been intended to be placed in this story..this is purely my conjecture though.

Will write in a while...

RES

Have responded on page 2 😊


Edited by sanfan - 7 years ago
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Excellent post👏👏👏.I was reminded of the same story when this incident was shown on YUDKBH.Just that I didn't have the patience to post a detailed analogy here.

You also thought of Tagore's story, naa? Wondering that Shashi ma'm being a writer (who are first readers) also had a subconscious inspiration here or it is just reality of our society and ghar ghar ki kahani.

I so agree with you when you say that Anand taught his daughters a lesson today."Trust no one..and certainly don't trust your husband even if he has been super sweet to you 20 + years" Anand proved yet again that Blood is thicker than water.I didn't expect this show to come with something so regressive.But then such people were and are very much alive in our society,so maybe the show is only depicting the truth.But it was a very bitter pill to swallow.

If Tauji or Rakesh did something like this, it is not a surprise. It is Anand who uttered these worlds and it was a shock. He is hurt, no doubt, but there are lines, you do not cross and he crossed it.

And you are right..Tagore's women characters are very strong and independent.Bela could certainly take a leaf out of Chandra's book...Would have loved to see the look on Anand's face if Bela had walked out and said that she wouldn't return..😆😆

Me, too. 😆

Good that Naina is more like Chandra. Not taking BS from Sameer on learning the truth about bat. Though the situation is different and Sameer is not 100% guilty. But, it tells that Naina won't take nonsense in future either.

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Originally posted by: KashafZaroon30

The Tagore story which you have mentioned here as an analogy, I read it for the first time...
And now that I know about the story, I can totally relate to your analogy ...

I came to know this story via the show on Epic, 'Stories by Rabindranath Tagore' by Anurag and Taani Basu. Fabulous show. Do watch it if you get a chance.

Bela was wrong no doubt! But Anand's harsh treatment with her was also not appropriate!
Exactly!

Bela is a simple lady who commits mistakes just like all of us. And the best part was she was apologetic for her deeds. Still Anand was adamant about throwing her out of the house. In a marriage of so many years, there must have been times when even Anand must have committed mistakes. But did he deserve such punishment for his mistakes? No!
Then why such punishment to Bela who is her partner of so many years. He knows her in and out.
Yes what she did was wrong and Anand has the right to be angry on her. But asking her to leave the house definitely is a sign of patriarchal mindset.
Agreed that his thinking is much better than his brothers, but still in certain situations he also seems to be a bit patriarchal.

Well said!

Another similar incident in the world of fiction that will share with you, because you got Kashaf and Zaroon in your username and DP. Have you watched Humsafar? Fawad's another hit show?

Even in that show, Ashar's - Fawad's character's - father decides to get him married to his dying sister's daughter to see his sister's wish of seeing her daughter settled. When his wife, Ashar's mother opposes it, his order is that either she agrees or he gives her talaq. Ashar's mother is witch of a character later in the show and his father in general is an epitome of wisdom But, this incident was like dark side of the moon. Just like Anand in here. How best of the men behave when cornered! It says naa that deep down their heart they haven't changed much! My blood seriously boiled after the episode.

Amazing post! 👏


Thank you.😊
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Originally posted by: sanfan




Fabulous Post !! 👏👏

Yesterday seeing Anand spout that...i fell into a deep silence. Though Tagore's story you quoted above did not occur to me but when I read it...it all came back to me...having read this long ago. As you so rightly you said...the character of Chandra written more than hundred years ago...was such a strong characterisation.


Have some thoughts to share on this in the light of how this aspect could have been intended to be placed in this story..this is purely my conjecture though.

Will write in a while...

RES



Will wait for your thoughts. 😊


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Tagore's female characters written more than 100 years ago have a strength of character like no other and frankly we will find it difficult to fit them in any box. The common thread in them all was perhaps the assertion of their individual identity without referencing the roles they may have played in society. Shasti was a powerful story specially as it was written in the backdrop of a feudal set up while placing the character in a lower stratum of society and the insistence of Chandra's "abhimaan that makes her choose "maron over any truck with her husband.

Coming back to YUDKBH, the build up to the scene of gifting and the circumstances surrounding it were majestically taken to a crescendo. When Rakesh issued the threat, I wondered what could be the purpose of Anand reacting in the manner he did. After all, what a fall for a character fashioned to be a torch-bearer of progressiveness. Was it intentional? Or was it something the writers simply overlooked while trying to create a situation to draw a comparison between the Sameer/Naina situation. Often writers in an attempt to shine light or attention on a central character or a situation simply ignore the butcherisation of ensemble characters. If this was so, I would be disappointed. After all, when people who do not know better behave badly, we assume there is some learning yet to be delivered but when evolved people behave in such a manner, it suddenly looks despondent. It is for the writers to dwell on this aspect.

I cannot see Anand in the same way ever again unless I know the reason for his strident outburst. Will they show him regretting this in a way that people introspect and learn from articulated positions accepting that they still have some way to go. While Anand is an important character but he is not a pivotal one, I am sceptical. Also, I wonder was it intended to show that sometimes we assume a high moral ground on issues not realising that perhaps we have stepped out of line but there is a way to retrace the paths. If that was the intention, it might give some perspective to Naina who may see that while she chose Sameer not really knowing much about him and in that sense, she erred in her judgement but she also gets an opportunity to see Sameer in a new light when she has an opportunity to know him more intimately, an opportunity that Sameer had too. However, I do not know if that the sensibility shared by the writers as when Naina pleaded with chachaji to forgive Bela, the aspect of broken trust seemed to dominate the canvas.

In the aspect of forgiveness, it is very difficult to really dictate positions because we all approach the issue from our level of perception and sensibilities. For instance, I would personally like to delineate the aspect of forgiveness for the deed from any affection or attachment formed between Sameer and Naina in the future even as I know that some of it is inextricably interwoven, given the circumstances. Sameer was afforded an opportunity to know Naina through this situation but even if Naina had behaved haughtily or any which way, it does not condone Sameer's behaviour towards her in the first place. So, Sameer's apology to Naina should be in any case unconditional. Also, without us getting theatrical about it, simply put Sameer owes Naina an apology for using a ruse to befriend her and publicly humiliate her. It does not follow that Sameer is expected to fall in love with Naina or that Naina can expect or for that matter want that he reciprocates her affection on that account. However, we know as voyeurs to this tale unfolding before us that he was just as drawn to her as time passed. His acute sense of guilt is largely because he has also gotten involved with her and try as he might he is not in a position to delineate the two. Love is a complex emotion when one tries to analyse it. Ideally, he would like to tell himself and Naina that he is sorry to have hurt her but it is not an easy conversation for either the speaker or the listener simply because the emotions have all undergone a change. Sameer wants not merely to say sorry but also hope for being redeemed for his ill-thought out deed. While saying he wants to assuage her hurt feelings, he is also looking to assuage the feelings of affection that have also got enmeshed in the bargain. He was drawn to Naina even while the charade was played along the sidelines and the aspect of her knowing about it only complicated an already very difficult situation. Naina on the other hand is feeling humiliated by the deed due to the affection and attention she lavished over him. She is torn between the futility of the love she lavished and the attempts being made by Sameer to evoke that painful past that she is trying so hard to forget. I am not sure what role this outburst from Anand will play in this regard but the situation between Sameer and Naina has certainly got interesting.


Sorry about the rambling post...and thank you for the reference to Shasti...it brought back some wonderful memories. It's a pity I don't read Bengali as the idioms and special meanings of the language are always lost to a reader in a language foreign to the literature it is originally written in.

Edited by sanfan - 7 years ago
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Yes! I read that story too. When Anand was punishing Bella I remembered that story too.
That is a timeless story. As this happens even today in our society. Just a couple of minutes ago Anand was telling Naina about "dowry" ...he was telling that as gift. I thought admi bara dil wala progressive guy. But he proved that he is still the "narrow minded guy" lives in most of the modern guys. 😕 Modern tab tak jab tak "hum maard na ajaye". When it comes to "maard", bhai, my family-----------a woman/wife/mother/lover/friend is an outsider. A father/a husband/lover/a friend can kick her out of house if HE( the lord) wants.
I wish Shefali was there instead of Naina when Anand explained about dowry and then Bella incident? Kiyun ki in that family no one has the guts to "Question"----------what right you have to kick your wife out whenever you want? Aap bhi do/teen beti ki baap ho...what would Anand do if it was with Puja/Preeti?
Yeh un dino ke baat nehi...yeh todays ki baat bhi hai. Just we have more Shefais now.
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