Mother can never be judgemental

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Parvati never declared Ganesh the winner. As per Shiv puran the contest happened to decide whose marriage should be performed first. Ganesha's leadersip over ganas or his right to first worship is never questioned by Kartikey. Even the more popular most famous recent show also showed that Kartikey objected to it. I fail to understand why is Kartikey always shown in such a way. He is already the chief commander of the army of gods. So what is there if Ganesh became Pratham pujya? Kartikey never bothered not in Siv puran,Skanda puran or anywhere else.

Yes they both vied with each other reg.marriage. And contrary to what north people believe Ganesh is elder to Kartikey. He is Skandagraja..elder to Skanda..we can check his namas.

Ganesh does Pradakshina and declared himself the winner. Then Siv Parvati question him how could he be without going around the world. Ganesh puts forth his argument showing sastra praman.After that Siv Parvati agree to perform his marriage first. Viswarup offers his daughters Siddhi Buddhi and immediately Ganesh's marriage is done before the arrival of Kartikey.

Kartikey gets angry,leaves Kailash. Parvati and Siv feels bad and follow him and reach Sri Parvat ( Sri Sailam) but Kartikey leaves before their arrival. Siv Parvati like that place and Shiv establishes Jyotirlinga there.Srisailam the world famous Siva Kshetr comes into existence which later becomes a Sakti Kshetr also due to Bhramaramba who kills Arunasur.. I bow before Mallikharjuna and Bhramaramba to bless us all ..

Coming to Kartikeya he is loved so much by Shiv .. He is Shiva priyah dearer to Shiva. Parvati's dearest son he is. Parvati never doubts her upbringing as shown by our pseudo intellectual writer Utkarsh Nathani.

Parvati declaring Ganesh a winner and then being looked upon endearingly by Utkarsh's Shiv( not mine) just shows how callous the writer is. A mother can never be judgemental..Especially the Jaganmata. Whatever happened Shiv Parvati both take the responsibility..

Lakshmi

Originally posted by: rsnarula67

Hi Lakshmi,

I had decided not to comment at all, as although I really like Pooja Sharma's acting (can't blame her for the content; as she is following the brief of director and of course the writer!!!🤢); the story/dialogues were getting my goat.

It was lovely to read your post.

Originally posted by: VividDiamond

Hii Lakshmi !!

Thank you for being so informative here ! I've always loved reading your posts because I get to know many new and different stuffs.

But today I have doubts. Not only in the North, even in the Western India Bhagwan Ganesh is considered younger to Lord Karthikeya. I'm not really aware about the other places in India so can't say. So what you're saying is our belief is wrong ??

And yes Lakshmi, the story for the sibling rivalry shown in the show Mahakali is the story that we people in the Northern and Western India believe and narrate to each other.

We believe that Goddess Parvati blessed Ganesh to become Pratham Poojya because he was meant to be born for it. Lord Karthikeya had challenged it. Shiv decided that the one who completes three turns around the world the fastest, would win the competition and eventually become Pratham Poojya. Karthikeya was a warrior himself and in addition he had a fast moving Mayur as the Vaahan whereas Ganesh was a kid, gol in size and had a slow moving Mushak as the Vaahan. So Ganesh only did the Parikramaa around Shiv Parvati, as he knew he couldn't win the other obvious way. When Lord Karthikeya returned on completing the task, he was shocked to see Shiv Parvati supporting Ganesh. So he left Kailash. This is what I've kept hearing since childhood and even during the Ganesh Chaturthi, Ganesh-related stories are chanted like sacred mantras. So do you mean to say that the stories in our ancient scriptures are wrong ??

I've also heard that the above sibling rivalry was due to a special mango offered by Naarad Muni to Shiv-Parvati in Kailash.This is another version of the same story. I've never heard any marriage related version before. I tried researching about the tale of marriage that you're saying but I couldn't find the links to get detailed information. Could you please help me with it ?

Also, we believe that Ganesh is married to Goddesses Riddhi and Siddhi. He had sons Shubh and Labh. Every year during Diwali we decorate the main doors and the temples in our houses, writing these names, as we believe that the entire Ganesh Family is sacred. We often narrate their stories too.

This is what I've researched and found in the sacred texts :

In Shiva Purana, Kartikeya is seen helping Shiva fight the new born Ganesha. In Brahma Vaivarta Purana, he is seen as the elder son of Shiva and Ganesha the younger one. Kartikeya is shown the younger of the two through manipulative politics by Parvati and Shiva. Ganesha is closer to Parvati than Kartikeya.

The Epic era literature of ancient India recite numerous legends of Karthikeya, often with his other names such as Skanda. For example, the Vana Parva of the Mahabharata dedicates chapters 223 to 232 to the legends of Skanda, but depicts him as the son of Agni and Svaha. Similarly, Valmiki's Ramayana dedicates chapters 36 and 37 to Skanda, but describes him as the child of God Agni and Goddess Ganges.

The legends of Karthikeya vary significantly, sometimes within the same text. For example, while the Vana Parva of the Mahabharata describes Skanda as the son of Agni, the Shalya Parva and the Anushasana Parva of the same text presents Skanda's legend as the son of Maheshvara (Shiva) and Parvati.

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Vivid Diamond

The story of Ganesh and Kartikeya vying with each other for marriage is there in Shiv Mahapuran Kumara khand Rudra Samhita.

The source I gave I hope you understand. It is not my own fictional creation. There is no issue of Pradham pujyata, in Shiv Puran.

The various versions of Kartikeya birth as many as six or seven which included those you gave from Mahabharata Vana Parva, I elaborately described in my post in this forum only.. That goes under Saktipithas ..right now.

You said Parvati blessed Ganesh with Prathama pujyata..No. She has nothing to do with it. It is Tridev Brahma Vishnu and Shiv who offered him Pradham Pujyata. And I am quoting from Shiv Puran that is right there in my hands.

You can check Shiv Puran where the reason for their tiff is given as I wrote.

Reg who is elder to whom it should be discussed in a different level. It is described in Lalitasahasra Nama and Lalitopakhyanam Ganesh helps Lalita during her war with Bhandasur by breaking the illusion of Bhandasur.. Mahaganesha nirbhinna Vighna yantra praharshita..

Scholors say that Ganesh is so ancient a God and it is understood that Kameswara mukhaloka kalpita Sri ganeswara Ganesa was created by Mata looking at Siva's face.

So that way even Ganesha's existence also has many versions,stories and interpretations.

And I stick to my point and my source Shiv Maha Puran where the competition happened between them for marriage reason.

My main issue here is why should Kartikeya be shown against Ganesh's Pradhama pujyata.

Mahabharata Kartikeya birth story which you are referring here I posted already.. Not only that every version from Shiv Puran ,Skandh Puran,Ramayan... I posted.

So I know versions vary. But here I am mentioning Shiv Puran.

You look like you believed Parvati took decision. No. Ganesh claimed his stake. Then both accepted. She herself did not say anything as shown in the show. I gave my source.

Lakshmi