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Posted: 7 years ago
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There have been several threads discussing distortions of Shakta and other Hindu canon by Mahakaali. There is also a thread presently rallying for UN to provide his sources. While I may disagree with the discussions, I absolutely support that particular thread. Every writer needs to cite their work, should they use books or articles. Granted, his sources are plausibly contradictory, considering how different the Puranas can be from each other. Regardless, he should disclose his sources to the audience.
What surprises me is how many people clamor for UN to cease his distortions, yet distortions throughout history are accepted. Radha does not exist in the Mahabharata; she was introduced to medieval Hinduism. Yet, she was retroactively regarded as Krishna's beloved and his most cherished lover. Vedic Hinduism experienced an immense transformation, replacing Indra and Surya with the Tridev.

As this is a serial about Mahakali, let's discuss her distortions.

Here is Kali as she is described in the Devi Mahatmyam. Notice her gaunt, skeletal appearance and disheveled hair. Additionally, her breasts are sunken, indicating a lack of milk.

Here is another image of Kali. She is still characterised by blood and violence, yet she is adorned with ornaments. Her eyes are half-lidded, suggesting serenity. Her breasts are full, indicating motherhood. Beneath her lays Shiva.

Although similar, the iconography of both images is vastly different. In the former, Kali is Durga's unbridled rage: she is bloodthirsty, violent, merciless, and terrifying. Her breasts do not contain milk because she is not in any way maternal. She does not wear ornaments because she exists on the fringes of civilization. She is shameless because she is nature; and as nature, she cannot be controlled.

Where did Shiva come from? Yes, there are references in the Linga Purana to Shiva intervening when Kali loses control, but the Linga Purana itself is highly inconsistent. The original myth of Raktabija doesn't mention Shiva anywhere. In fact, it is only when Durga and Kali have quenched their bloodlust does Kali disappear, returning to Durga. Both Kali and Durga were assimilated by Hinduism; they originally existed as pre-Vedic goddesses protecting villages yet unflinching in their wrath when upset. They were not motherly or serene, nor were they womanly.

Why is it okay to accept Kali's distortion? Why is it okay to dress her in saris and gold jewellery? Why is it okay to teach Kali needs to be controlled?

Why was it okay for the Brahmins to vilify meat and sex and alcohol? Coincidentally, the very things they could not experience.

History is not static. It is mutable, dynamic; it changes, and we accept those changes. If we can accept these changes, why can we not accept any distortions or changes in the serial? I distinctly remember reading a post which suggested distortions should remain in village myths. How quickly we forget it were village myths which provided Hinduism with Durga and Kali.

Where is Durga in the Vedas? Where is Kali? Yes, the Rig Veda contains the Devi Suktam, but (as far as I remember) it is dedicated to Vak. Furthermore, Nirriti exists as a Vedic goddess similar to Kali, yet all of Nirriti's hymns implore her to stay away. They seek protection from Nirriti.

We accepted Durga and Kali, which changed Hinduism itself.

Will the serial really change Hinduism? Will people really forget the "original" canon? Will one serial really, truly, honestly have the same impact as hundreds of years, even thousands?

If the Puranas can be inconsistent, if Kali's canon can be inconsistent, if we can distort her canon; then why can't we watch Mahakaali for what it is? Entertainment.

Remember: at some point, people misunderstood Kali to the extent that they changed who she was. Just so they could "worship" her. Is that not a distortion?

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Thank you so so much for bringing up all these points Maleficarum !!!! 😊
This is exactly what I wanted to say to many people out there. Even when you just type 'Kali' in google, we get to read just a minimum of hundreds of stories of her origin only !!!!! Imagine how difficult it would have been for the makers to pick one particular story, analyse it properly, write it down so that it looks as grand as possible on screen, picturise it on the actors, edit it etc. etc.

It is not like depicting the epics like the Mahabharata or the Ramayana on screen, where you hardly have just two or three angles to any story. It is the 'Mahakali' the 'Aadishakti' that they're portraying through the stories, each single story has so so many angles to it and you can never ignore the folklores, even if you find them weird at times.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Brava!👏 (edited to add - that was for the original poster)

I'd have liked to talk further about the Radha myth, but I don't think this is the forum for it.
Edited by HearMeRoar - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@Maleficarum

It is a known fact that there are stories originating from many sources. Nobody can deny this. The pratha is each place changes according to the local traditions, place in society of the writer/orator,sometimes even seasons,etc etc of the concerned place. The most popular versions of the Mahabharat and Ramayan contain many incidents which were not a part of the Valmiki Ramayan or Vyasa's Mahabharat; in some cases entire portions are missing.

In fact those who are well versed with the texts/later writings do have a better understanding of these things - I freely admit that I am not well versed with the texts or with many of the writings. I am one of those who very often "google's it".😊 Not a very reliable place surely - after all GIGO prevails.😆

Many of the changes in the worship of Kali was first and foremost due to fear of the conquerors (Mughals and British) and later to put it in a light which is acceptable and allowed by these conqueror rulers. This is also a known fact.

The most important thing here is that when you are dealing with Gods and Goddesses, you maintain the integrity of the story and above all the "character portrayal" should be balanced. On both these counts UN fails miserably.

It is "entertainment" and meant to be viewed as such, however, like Uncle Ben said to his nephew (Spiderman) "great power comes with great responsibility".

So in being given creative liberty on a show dealing with the ethos of Mahakali - UN has been given the power and alongwith it he also has the responsiblity to maintain the dignity,integrity and essence of whichever text/local story he is using. Whether difficult or not, it becomes their responsibility to do the necessary in-depth research, have a greater understanding of what is being put across and construct their stories accordingly. They certainly cannot just 'google it'
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@rsnarula

UN should provide his sources, but you're assuming they're googling it.

There are people in Mahakali forum who know a lot about Indian mythology, but they're hardly the ultimate experts. If so, they'd be chairing a division in some university's classics department. Actually I've found such folks to be humbler than the googlers, admitting readily that there are variations they discover every day, nuances they appreciate after having missed them for decades. The fuller the vessel, the less noise it makes.

Let's not assume UN knows less than the posters here. So by all means press UN for his sources but allow him the benefit of doubt.

Also, while faith is certainly an emotive issue, and misinterpretations can trigger unpleasant sentiments, what Maleficarum is saying is that Kali has already been interpreted in wildly varying ways (numbering in the hundreds!) over the millennia. If the makers choose one interpretation over the other or decide to mix it all up, how can one group claim more legitimacy over the others? In such a scenario, isn't it better to either consider reading more widely to understand such variations or consider it entertainment and move on?

@VividDiamond

Dunno about Ramayan, but Mahabharata has thousands of versions, and that, too, just in northern India. South India has its own versions. There is a Draupadi cult here which considers her a goddess superior to Krishna's Vishnu. Then, there are Nepali and Indonesian versions. There is also a Persian version which doesn't include Krishna, at all. Not to mention the village tales.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@HearMeRoar - Hi,

I do understand from where @Maleficarum is coming and respect it. I was putting across my view, which comes from a slightly different vantage point.

Also have respect for all the members of the forum, as sometimes things are discussed here which shines a light from a different perspective.

As I have previously commented, I view the show only as 'entertainment' and am enjoying the display of Ms.Pooja Sharma's acting talent. Ocassionally, I get a little emotional - like during the Mahisasurmardini epi, but otherwise, all is well.😊

But your post made me re-read my own post, and I realised that I went a little too far with my last line. Definitely, I know, the MK team would have some scholars on their payroll and I certainly do not assume that they are googling it. My comment was more satirical - in view of the content that is put out. Anyway thanks for calling me out on it.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@HearMeRoar Hey there !
You've got me wrong. I meant to say that there are most famous incidents in the Ramyana and the Mahabharata which are known to most of the audiences. That is why it becomes slightly easier to work upon these Epics and present them onscreen, as compared to the complex numerous stories of Aadishakti's numerous Avatars. I do know that the Ramayana and the Mahabharata both have different versions.

For eg. in the Indonesian version of the Mahabharata, Prince Arjun is believed to have 33 wives, but that is not so, in the commonly followed Ved Vyasa's originally written texts. People are more aware about the famous happenings and incidents generally, as far as I know. The makers can pick up the famous story and it doesn't require a lot lot of researching.

But when you're out there, presenting the various avatars of Aadishakti onscreen, there are so so many different values, beliefs, customs and emotions attached to each of her Avatar. So, picking up any one story and any one interpretation to present onscreen, for even a single Avatar all together becomes really very difficult and confusing. This is what I meant to say.

Anyway, thank you for your enlightening post regarding the different versions of the Mahabharata.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Nice post and a much needed; after all the negativity poured last week; this post was much needed; inspite of distortions throughout history was accepted; some are having problems with this show only; atleast I watch and really enjoy the show alot with two great actor's Mind-blowing performance and chemistry. my only problem with the show is they shouldn't belittle other God/Goddess; during the initial phase Lord Vishnu was characterization was wrongly shown for which I tweeted n fought with UN; he is no Demigod but Supreme God; only after my continous tweet UN starting writing Lord Vishnu character in a much better way!!
Edited by 1Rockstar1 - 7 years ago

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