The Ceaseless Chatter of a Deranged Imbecile

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Today's nonsensical musings take me back a few days ago to my friend's (let's call her Dumpling) birthday dinner. Also in attendance was her boyfriend (let's call him Charleston Heston). Mr. Heston and I are good buddies and share a lot of common interests. We went and saw Obama on campus together. We firmly believe Nic Cage is America's greatest national treasure. We both think that Sharknado is the greatest movie series of our times. We have always dreamed of a female Doctor and 007, 50% of that dream did come true. We both enjoy playing Axis and Allies while flying high. In fact, you could say is that Mr. Heston sometimes is the white boy version of me, sans the passion for Bollywood.
One of Mr. Heston's favorite movies though is "The Fifth Element", a flick I have never really seen other than glimpses channel surfing. So naturally, he was eagerly awaiting the release of Valerian. And but of course, he saw it within days of its release.

I asked him what he thought of the movie. "I enjoyed it" he replied adding "I'd totally go again". So I prodded him on what he thought about critics panning the movie. He shrugged his shoulders and said, "I had a lot of fun". That's all that mattered to him - that he had fun.

Two days later I was having lunch with family. My brother-in-law is also a huge "fifth element" fan, who was super excited about Valerian. I asked him about Valerian too, and he too enjoyed it. He too shrugged off the failure and focused on the fact that he enjoyed it.

Once again you might wonder what is the connection between Valerian and Bollywood. Well, Hollywood or Bollywood, movies are movies. Movies are mass market entertainment commodities. For decades movie makers, movie goers, and anyone who's anyone in the movie industry have debated and argued about what makes a good movie.

For many, the Box office is the King. It is the volume of revenue that matters. So ridiculous movies like Chennai Express end up being counted amidst the greats. To a few others box office does matter, but it's not just the volume, but the ROI. How much did it make for every rupee invested? This is where movies like Lunchbox or English Medium take the cake. Minimal expense, but high returns.

Then there is the variety who pretend they have graduated from Julliard school of performing arts, offering a lengthy critique on the objective art of filmmaking that no one truly understands, but claps in favor of the Emperor's new clothes. Nothing against these folks, there is nothing against the objective art of filmmaking. But even the perfectly mastered components need a deeper soul a certain je ne sais quois to make a movie good. For example, let's take Jagga Jasoos that had technical mastery over so many components but the final package failed. Same with Bombay Velvet which was far worse than Jagga Jasoos, but had so many check marks in the technical aspects. This is why Russian figure skaters will always be better than American ones, it's not just technique - the soul counts for so much.

But going back to Mr. Heston and my brother-in-law and their review of Valerian.

I HAD FUN.

Such a simple and elegant criteria of judging a movie.

Did you enjoy a movie and have fun? If so, for you at least, it is a good, perhaps even great movie.

Were you miserable? Did you want to claw your eyes out and demand your money back for tolerating this torture? If so, for you at least, it is a bad, perhaps even terrible movie.

I like this criterion also because Mr. Heston and my brother-in-law are the most laid back people I know about their likes and dislikes. Very rarely will they express an opinion on a movie or TV show without you asking about it? They will recommend movies and shows to you as friends, but never really follow up or insist you watch it. If you disagree or call something they really love as terrible, they just shrug and say something like "I guess" or "I can see that" and end the matter there.

I wish I were more like them. I want to have fun and I want everyone else to have fun. But our idea of fun may not be the same. So as long as we each have fun, that's cool. Why be so bothered that someone else did not enjoy the same thing? I need to let go. You need to let go. We all need to let go and be more laid back.

But sometimes fun is not the only criteria right? Movies like Ugly or Gangs of Wasseypur that delve into violence or the darkness of human nature are not necessarily fun, are they? Then while Salman movies are fun, we question if we should support the actor. And I could be wrong because I am going off on a limb here, but some people do not want to enjoy JHMS because of their opposition to sexism and other similar concerns (Mind you this is about one sliver of the audience. This is not denying that people just find JHMS crappy because that's just what it is crappy). Also the "FUN" element means movies like Sharknado are indeed cinematic masterpieces compared to the Oscar winning Moonlight.

So should I update the criterion to "Fun and/or personal or life enrichment"? Can we still accept relativity in this expanded criterion?

I am still mulling on it.

On another note, I am still mulling why I would go to war for Harry Potter and some other passions? What have they done for me? I am also mulling why someone would want to ridicule or put me down because they dislike Harry Potter. Why impose their will on me? Then again, why do I think everyone who watches Duck Dynasty is an inbred redneck? Like the movie Crash! We are all victims and victimizers at the same time.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Well to me I think people find JHMS crappy because it is crappy, the whole world isn't scheming or plotting to badmouth the movei for no apparent reason. Yes some might have an agenda's but it isnt the only cause this movie failed. It failed because the director lost its plot and the public saw it was just a polished turd.
On a side note I am still mulling what happened to your previous post its magically closed without any given reason.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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lovely read
I am curious to know whether you have a blog or something 😛
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This topic is a follow up to The Incoherent Ramblings of a Mad Woman, which for some reason is locked. There is no note on the thread what the infraction was. I have not received any PM or warning about any infractions either.
Upon reviewing the thread it was relevant to Bollywood, did not bash any movies or fan groups, did not incite comparison, or anything else that would be an infraction. I did use the term wh**e, but the Madonna/wh**e dichotomy is something studied deeply in psychology/sociology as well. I have a hard time believing everyone here is in STEM, because how do you have time? The only real infraction perhaps is using the term for coitus that begins with f. Then again, if the f word in an overflowing waterfall of excessive verbosity stands out - people do have problems.

So after puzzling over the law and order situation, I have concluded that I live in the Trump administration. I must have pissed of Kellyann Conway or Besty Devos and they shut me down. (They're both still there right?)

And so like a true American, I also #RESIST
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheBoss

On a side note I am still mulling what happened to your previous post its magically closed without any given reason.


Let me know if your mulling reaches any conclusions because I am honestly confuzzled.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Nothing against these folks, there is nothing against the objective art of filmmaking.


There's no such thing as "objective art." What is this person on?

These are just meaningless ramblings that don't go anywhere. What is this article even trying to say?

As for as I'm concerned, the box office shouldn't be relevant to anyone except those directly affected by it - producers, distributors, theater owners, etc. For the rest of us, if a movie makes us feel something or entertains us, that's should be enough. Of course everyone will have different taste so what works for one may not for another.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades


Let me know if your mulling reaches any conclusions because I am honestly confuzzled.


Maybe because you put your heart and soul into your writing and make it a delight to read. I guess if you are just randomly spamming the forum like that Mannik and Mediaboss bots with external links then your thread will stay. 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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We are all victims and victimizers at the same time. --- Agree wholeheartedly with this line.
Nice write up. I like your musings because they are introspective in nature. And I agree why the outrage when someone likes the movie that you don't like, or doesn't like the movie that you liked. This reminded me of anupama's review of befikre, she gave it 3.5 stars and comments on her videos till date keep bringing that up. And I never understood it. Just because she is a critic doesn't mean she can't not enjoy a movie that masses find unappealing for whatever reason or even her fellow critics do. While being objectives and critical mostly is dandy and all, but why not take in account the different experiences that people have while watching a movie. So in this case Anupama ended up enjoying the movie because it aspired to her sense of fun and enjoyment. I don't think she deserves the outrage that review brought her. Anyways, I'm rambling uselessly here, Idk if this even makes sense. 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: anonymous39

As for as I'm concerned, the box office shouldn't be relevant to anyone except those directly affected by it - producers, distributors, theater owners, etc. For the rest of us, if a movie makes us feel something or entertains us, that's should be enough. Of course, everyone will have different taste so what works for one may not for another.


I agree with your take on the box office. I never understood why it is a big deal with fans. But it is so embedded in fan culture that I doubt it will change.

Cinema indeed is subjective enjoyment, and we all need to work on embracing that.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Did the thread discussing this article disappear? http://www.huffingtonpost.in/bhaskar-chawla/jab-harry-met-sejal-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-bollywood_a_23067117/
Dissent deserves fair space too.

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