Account of Victory of Peshwa Bajirao over Nasir Jung - Page 4

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi Maddy

It's terrific to have you join this discussion - just like old times :)

Your views are great. And that's the point. People are aware of history to some extent at least, and they know who were the people who fought for them and helped them lead a life of dignity, fought for freedom till the end.

History decides the final winners, not any battle or war or campaign. There is no reason to keep asking who won a war. Whether MP won or lost a particular war, ultimately Mewar remained victorious. Whether Shivaji Maharaj won or lost forts, the Marathas forged a great empire. Whether Aurangzeb won or lost a war, his rule left the Mughal empire much weakened.

Btw, Maddy, you have piqued my curiosity by bringing in 2 new names. Narayan Rao and Raghoba. Please share more about this story whenever wherever possible. :)
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek




Thanks Rashmi !

You should thank Maddy first. I wish i could completely read the letter my self in Marathi to enjoy those words which were written in that era, just to get an understanding of how much percentage of Farsi they mixed in their native language while speaking.

The Peshwa was a winner in this battle without any doubt. There is another important aspect to this victory. There is a letter of Nana Saheb written on 26 January 1740 which says that he is not sure whether the campaign against Nasir Jung will succeed or not, due to the state of Bajirao when Mastani was kept under confinement.

But see the letters of just 1 week after that, from 7 to 9 February 1740 which were quoted in the blog. Bajirao and Chimnaji attacked Nasir and decisively defeated him !

Only a man with a very tough heart can rise above his personal sorrows and do this. Bajirao did it.


Sorry for coming in, but just wanted to say - only a true warrior can keep his personal feelings in check and win a war. Here let me add that PB was distressed because of being separated from Mastani and was also fighting shoulder to shoulder with Chimnaji, inspite of Chimnaji's role in keeping Mastani confined. Quite an incredible person, PB :)


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek



Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

There is no need to be sorry & there was nothing in your post which could hurt me or anyone else. I only pointed that, my post was not about the topic you had mentioned, and that, the contents of my post could be verified, as references are present there.

I understand it was your sentiment / regard for the history of the wonder that was Peshwa Bajirao. Thank you very much for appreciating my posts. :)


It's said there is a woman behind every successful man. :) I don't think there is any reason to mind if the woman's role is highlighted in the life of famous historical persons. It doesn't take away from their greatness; it only adds to the humanness of these legends and makes them more relatable, so to say. Just my personal view :)
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks for the detailed story of Nana Phadanvis and Ramashastri Prabhune, Maddy 😃
One thing puzzles me: - why didn't Nana Phadanvis take on the mantle of the peshwa himself instead of appointing such young descendants of Nanasaheb as the peshwas? Anyway he was the main force behind them initially. Savai Madhavrao was also a famous peshwa? I inferred this from discussions here, though i may be wrong. Did Savai Madhavrao continue to be in Nana Phadanvis' shadow even after he grew up and could handle things himself?
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Originally posted by: The.Lannister

Thank you for this wonderful post Abhay. I havent been well for this past week, so I spent my time at home reading your blog 😳 This post is a combined post for many of your blogposts & not limited to Bajirao. I had read it once that history needs to be explained by someone so that the normal audience can understand it better. You are doing a fab job of explaining history in your blog. I love how you go to the very basics while writing & dont write assuming the reader ought to know at least so & so if he is reading this post. Your style of writing is also easy to understand, like how you provide references immediately below the paragraph or even in brackets instead of clubbing it all at the end. Your English is simple yet fluent. Keep going the way you are & I am sure one day your blog will be a great source of information for history for our future generations 👏

Also, not only your posts the comments beneath are informative as well 😳


Btw I have a question. Can you share some images of maps of ancient & old India? Or redirect me to some website which has such maps? And is there some resource/ site which lists the old & new names of cities/ rivers etc?






Thanks Shruti. I hope you are well and doing good now. I am replying quite late.

These words coming from a well read person like you mean a lot. I write in the same manner as i would prefer any other writer / person {whom i am reading} to write. There is no advantage of writing in a style which the reader finds tough to follow. The problem which i face(d) while reading any writer, i make sure not to repeat the same for those who read me. Hence, it is necessary to start from the very scratch, assuming the reader knows very less or nothing, and to keep the words as simple as possible. :)

The following links may prove useful to you. I could not find any dedicated site for all the above requested items. For time being, please go through this :

Maps
http://www.mapsofindia.com/history/ancient-india.htm

Ancient and New - Rivers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigvedic_rivers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ancient_Indian_rivers

Ancient and New - States / Cities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_Indian_cities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_renamed_Indian_cities_and_states

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: RadhikaS0



Sorry for coming in, but just wanted to say - only a true warrior can keep his personal feelings in check and win a war. Here let me add that PB was distressed because of being separated from Mastani and was also fighting shoulder to shoulder with Chimnaji, inspite of Chimnaji's role in keeping Mastani confined. Quite an incredible person, PB :)



Precisely. This is what makes him different. Popular history has painted him as a person lost in love who forgot everything due to Mastani. This was not the case actually.

In addition to this, see his equation with his mother and brother. He burned inside, (might have) suffered alone ; but Mastani's case didn't come in between the brothers or his relation with his mother. As evident, they both were together for the entire time and still planning the war.

Maratha cause came first for them.

IF possible, do check my latest post about Mastani. Using lot of letters and other sources, i tried to build a chronological details of all the events including Mastani.

From mid 1739 to death of Bajirao in April 1740.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/peshwa-bajirao/4790301/mastani-rakma-bai-pg30-all-about-mastani-chimaji-nana-saheb-pg31

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/143166241


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