Virtues of a Man and a Woman

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Our ancient texts have given the guidelines for how a wife should conduct herself to be called virtuous. The one I heard most is this:

Karyeshu Dasi Karaneshu Mantri
Bhojyeshu Maata Sayaneshu Rambha
Roopeshu Lakshmi Kshamaya Dharitri
Shat Dharmayukta Kuladharma Patni

Meaning: Serve him as a slave, counsel him as a minister, feed him as a mother, pleasure him as a wh**e, attract him by carrying yourself as beautiful Lakshmi and forgive him as Mother Earth does. These are the six dharmas of a virtuous wife!

Don't know who wrote them and hope there is at least one woman in the panel of experts who approved those texts for all the women to follow. But I realized that many women even in this day and age blindly follow those rules and admonish those girls who dare to not be "virtuous" according to them and their texts. How dare Mehak support that loser of a brother instead of supporting her husband like a dutiful wife?! So what if he asked her help first and he needs her help more than her husband?! She should have dreamt that her brother would go back on his words, go behind her back and cheat her by colluding with her husband! She should always support her husband and never the family that raised her! She is not virtuous!

Well, she is serving his family like a slave, doling out unsolicited advice and help, feeding them food and medicine and forgiving everything they do to her in the name of love and duty. So she did follow four out of six dharmas. The only things she couldn't do was sleep with him and she can't do much about her appearance because he doesn't like her type, going by his own words! I swear I didn't have even one of those virtues when I got married! I am not servile; I myself am confused so I don't normally advise people; I didn't know 'C' of cooking; I was a virgin so didn't know how to please like a wh**e; I always loved the way I looked even when the whole world thought I was weird; Anger graces the tip of my nose and patience is definitely not my virtue. Good that my husband doesn't give a damn about those outdated ideas. But I think Shaurya is one lucky jackass to get such a sweet docile girl for a wife! Don't understand what his problem is!

Now let's talk about virtues of a Man! Didn't nobody write how a man should conduct himself as a husband?! Do they just blindly follow the heroes of our epics without understanding the context?! Rama threw his wife out so a husband can do it and still remain ideal! Krishna romanced many women so a husband can do it and still remain ideal! Is that how it works?! Not sure about other cultures but I know one poem from Telugu literature which states the prime duty of a husband and what happens when he fails to do so.

Kulakaantha thoda neppudu
Kalahimpaku vatti thappu ghatiyimpakumi
Kalakanthi kanta kannee
rolikina siri inta nunda nolladu Sumathi!

Meaning: Don't fight with your wife and attribute any baseless defects to her. If she sheds tears because of you, wealth (in all forms) will leave you.

May be it's impossible to keep a woman from shedding tears because of her man, so I thought of a few situations where he can be the reason behind her tears.

1) Truth
Everyone needs to know the truth even if it makes one shed tears, so women are no exception. A man can tell the truth and make his wife cry. This is better than the heart break due to his lying and deceit.
2) Orgasm
Yes. Please do make her shed tears in pleasure this way. Prove your manliness this way than by manhandling her.
3) Giving birth to your babies
She can shed tears in pain while giving birth to your babies, because she wants those babies as much as you do. Do remember to share the other pains involved in parenting, though you can't share the pain nature gave her.
4) Happy tears
Be empathetic and understanding. You may even try the art of mind reading and amaze her often by your deeds which warm her heart, that she sheds happy tears because of you.
5) Tears of grief
When she loves you so much, she will shed tears whenever she finds you unhappy. You may share your happiness with the world but she is the one who shares your grief. Let her shed tears for you, not because of you.

P.S. I wanted to post this in the middle of last week, but my husband gave me a look, which stopped me from spoiling my vacay. Okay so how many times are they going to repeat the same offenses and the same "redemption" tactics by the male lead/main villain?! What according to them cvs is "redemption", I wonder?! Doing something despicable followed by public apology followed by stalking/tantrums until the girl gives in and then the toxic cycle repeats all over again. In case the makers are not getting it, disgust is the only emotion most people are feeling for the male protagonist (or is he antagonist?!) these days. Try a different kind of redemption this time. May be the one that involves making the girl shed tears for the right reasons I mentioned above.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Even a sane respectful man can't write the lines above about a woman let alone a woman herself (lines with regards to the w**** and slave points)!!!

A woman should be respected and loved just the way a man expects to be, at times it's nice to be patient and try to help your partner to change for the better but if they never learn from their mistakes and treat you as per their whims without respecting you and keeps repeating the same atrocities time and again then sorry you have all the rights to move away and no one will blame you

As I said you should love and respect yourself if you want to be respected and this is what Mehek should do, love doesn't mean submission or passivity in reacting to what happens, though I liked her dialogues in the last scene of friday's episode but I think she should be more assertive, strong and take a stand for herself

Anyways I lost connect to the show now, for me Shaurya is beyond redemption, I can't see a single thing to like about him to be honest and I see plenty of things to despise and hate

I don't even deem it worthy to comment about this show anymore

By the way Rekha I sent you a pm, do check 😊
Edited by arshisfan - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I agreed
Even I heard all the ancient texts. It was applied those times now I don't who follow all these.
About Shaurya's redemption, I don't have anything to tell. It has become habit galti karo & ask sorry. This five letter word has no value in Shaurya's life. He is taking this word for granted & Mehek.

BTW beautiful post

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Originally posted by: arshisfan

Even a sane respectful man can't write the lines above about a woman let alone a woman herself (lines with regards to the w**** and slave points)!!!

A woman should be respected and loved just the way a man expects to be, at times it's nice to be patient and try to help your partner to change for the better but if they never learn from their mistakes and treat you as per their whims without respecting you and keeps repeating the same atrocities time and again then sorry you have all the rights to move away and no one will blame you

As I said you should love and respect yourself if you want to be respected and this is what Mehek should do, love doesn't mean submission or passivity in reacting to what happens, though I liked her dialogues in the last scene of friday's episode but I think she should be more assertive, strong and take a stand for herself

Anyways I lost connect to the show now, for me Shaurya is beyond redemption, I can't see a single thing to like about him to be honest and I see plenty of things to despise and hate

I don't even deem it worthy to comment about this show anymore

By the way Rekha I sent you a pm, do check 😊


Honestly, I don't understand where they are going with the story or characters. They just keep going in circles, which makes the ML untrustworthy asshole and FL a stupid doormat. I don't know if its intentional or insensitive or just plain ignorance. Whatever it is, there is no growth in the characters and they are back to square one and it annoys me to no end.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I'm. Just watching this show for Sami and karan...
I m really hoping that they wud shape up the track now ...keeping fingers crossed ..

Bang on post rekha ...very well explained 👏
Edited by -Thabassum- - 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: vimikrao

I agreed
Even I heard all the ancient texts. It was applied those times now I don't who follow all these.
About Shaurya's redemption, I don't have anything to tell. It has become habit galti karo & ask sorry. This five letter word has no value in Shaurya's life. He is taking this word for granted & Mehek.

BTW beautiful post


I think lot of us humans have slave mentality. They always want to idolize someone and blindly follow. When we do that, we stop using that precious brain God gave us. That is the case with both religious fanatics and some fangirls. Admiring KV and admiring SK are two totally different things. Tomorrow if the writers write a scene where SK has to rape MS, these fangirls might cheer him on! I wonder if any female pride or any sense of discrimination is left in them.

Shaurya's redemption has become a joke now. I don't even want him to win Mehak over with good behavior anymore. I just want him to get out of her life and leave her alone, though the fangirl in me wants to treat it as a mistake by the writers and wants them back together. He doesn't seem to have any empathy for what she (or anyone for that matter) is going through. He only cares about himself. When he makes a mistake, he puts that blame on the other person and makes them feel guilty. Even if he owns up his mistakes, it seems like a pretense to get what he wants now. He is a narcissist and he will never change. He will just destroy that girl or any girl who tries to humanize him. It kinda makes me sad that the love story is butchered too much.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am pasting from another post, I had written earlier today ,or else I'll be ranting the same thing again 😆
The characters are contradicting themselves as per episode requirement.MehRya stand like duellists across drawn swords for a scene then swing like compass needle to magnetic north ,with chitrahaar not sure anymore what's with this unpredictability & sudden turn around of characters, last week we were trying to uncover the blanket person this week it's the person in sack 😆
The positive from Friday's episode was Mehak's sensible voice towards the end of the episode, but when she settles for less & complains for more it doesn't gel, how far will she keep giving without getting appreciation & self respect back, there can be no growth in darkness, how will same efforts yield different results, it's our choice that changes & shapes our destiny not chance , she has given umpteen chances to all her users & abusers 😕
Agree with you, Shaurya's apologies are (as of now) the only twisted regrets & redemption we've seen & about Mehak & doormat..well for that she needs to get up from the floor 😛
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Nice post Rekha. I have heard a different version of the second one saying almost the same, and ofcourse the first one is very popular. I don't even want to talk abt it in the context of zkm...the character are so far gone now, it is a hotchpotch of random things thrown together.

What stood out to me with both these sayings is the impossible expectation from both - never have a woman cry and be everything in one package to a man! But that and a bit of a language aside (you probably can attribute that to the complexity of the language and times) I don't see this as anti feminist at all. It is infact exalting the qualities of woman and talking of all that a woman is and asking for man on his part to put her on a pedestal and treat her with respect and love for all that she does. Although impossible to follow, I actually like the essence of what this is saying...



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Originally posted by: DiyaKash

Nice post Rekha. I have heard a different version of the second one saying almost the same, and ofcourse the first one is very popular. I don't even want to talk abt it in the context of zkm...the character are so far gone now, it is a hotchpotch of random things thrown together.


What stood out to me with both these sayings is the impossible expectation from both - never have a woman cry and be everything in one package to a man! But that and a bit of a language aside (you probably can attribute that to the complexity of the language and times) I don't see this as anti feminist at all. It is infact exalting the qualities of woman and talking of all that a woman is and asking for man on his part to put her on a pedestal and treat her with respect and love for all that she does. Although impossible to follow, I actually like the essence of what this is saying...






There are some extraordinary women who can be all these Diya to their husbands (counseling their husbands, serving them with love, being beautiful to them and pleasing them in every way, caring for them like a mother...), women are intelligent and perceptive and sensitive creatures, strong in their own way, but it all depends on how their qualities are perceived by their husbands, if they are appreciated, admired and not demeaded and taken for granted then there is no harm in being all these to a man who is as wonderful as they are, if feelings are there, true love is their and it's reciprocated, when respect is their and it's mutual, the sacrifices you make aren't even sacrifices for you do them khushi khushi se, so it's true that there is wisdom in the sayings but the context should be right, when the context is not right and you waste all these qualities on an unworthy man I guess it's more of a loss and disrespect to your ownself as a human being who deserves to be respected and loved as much as you do
Edited by arshisfan - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Thabassum-

I'm. Just watching this show for Sami and karan...

I m really hoping that they wud shape up the track now ...keeping fingers crossed ..

Bang on post rekha ...very well explained 👏


I too want the show to run well for their sake, but I stopped watching the show regularly ever since their marriage. That's the truth. But I still follow it through written or video updates here and on insta. I guess I can't let go easily and I advice Mehak to let go of that idiot.😛

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