A son's dilemma 25/5

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Is Shivaay wrong in disbelieving Pinky's involvement?

I know we in the fandom would love for Shivaay to have implicit faith in Annika and take all her statements at face value. However, today's episode raises a very difficult situation for Shivaay, one that he had brought up when he took the bullet for Annika. That he is indeed in a very difficult position having to choose between two most important women in his life, on the one hand his mother and on the other, His wife. I don't envy Shivaay right now and neither am I mad at him. Believing annika shakes up 33 years of his upbringing. He did tell his mom (post Mallika) that no matter how she is, his mom is world's best. And for most of us, mothers are indeed a source of comfort and reassurance. The fact that you believe that even when the whole world turns against you, your mom will stand by your side. She is one person whom you can trust implicitly to always have your best interest at heart, to always think of your happiness. The realisation that a mother may not do so, whatever selfish justification she may have given herself, is a huge one. And not something that a person can adjust easily to. Similarly when Annika told Shivaay that his mother is the one who has brought NT in the house, his reaction was of disbelief and dismissal. I don't think he thinks Annika is doing this deliberately, but he does think she's mistaken. My mom cannot take away the love of my life. When Shivaay finds out the truth, I hope Annika is by his side to support him, the poor man's very foundation is going to be shaken so badly.

Other highlights of the episode -

- I am glad Annika chose to inform Shivaay about pinky rather than keep it a secret. This is what a husband wife relationship should be, openness and honesty. It is a trust of a lifetime. I shudder to think of when he finds out Annika did his DNA test with Mahi!!! Eeeps!!
- Annika and Gauri both are now officially Oberoi bahus. Bring on divorce / separation spoilers. I don't think that will happen. Even if it does, TRPs will drop sharply if shivika are forced apart. I mean daksh's allegations against annika's character couldnt keep Shivaay away from Annika, even when he supposedly hated her. Even now Shivaay may get upset and angry with Annika but not so much as to divorce her. But I do think some separation may happen, may be a day's. So that the next phrase of the ishqbaazi confession can come through. Jab main tumhein nahin dekhta hun toh meri saasein ruk jaati hain.
- What a showdown between Jhanvi and pinky!!! Love love love jhanvi for standing by her DIL and telling pinky off. And the reason for pinky's retaliation was clear. She doesn't want to hear that shivaay is so happy with his wife. and she's spoiling his happy life by having such filthy thoughts. Jhanvi's support of Annika is critical. Pinky isn't much of a mother to Shivaay never mind OmRu. Jhanvi on the other hand is happy with Annika for she makes Shivaay happy, she protects him and she looks after him and his family. Pinky has forgotten the pandit ji who early on said that shivaay's wife will protect him against all harm.
- Omki shomki urf nandi the bail, needs to calm down a bit. Always jumping down his wife's throat!! Wonder if bua ma intended to spike his milk to put him in a romantic mood or if her irada was more sinister!!! Only time will tell.
- DID NOT like the new FL opposite Rudra. I mean cry baby?!! Really? Rudra already was one, why are we getting another?! Soumya, pl come back from Australia. RumYa was such a beautiful pairing in this country obsessed with outward appearances. I wish the CVs and the channel had the guts to go ahead with that track.

Can't wait for tomorrow's episode. Pinky's OMM is close by. I am sure of this. If Kamini is returning as the resident vamp, there is no way these two ladies will join hands. My only worry is annika's involvement and knowledge about shivaay's birth and past should be known to him through Annika and Annika alone.

Shivaay's redemption vis-a-vis Annika will happen only when NKK gets thoroughly demolished. For that demolition to happen, the first step will be Shivaay finding out the truth about pinky. I am hopeful the hospital CCTV recording may become clearer!!! Or that khannaji is able to do something productive rather than just stand with a gun against the kidnapper's head. And today's precap indicates Sahil is out in the open, is pinky involved in his kidnapping also?! The next step towards redemption will be to find out that he isn't actually an Oberoi. Only then will his issues with "mother of my children" and the whole NKK thought process crash down.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Great post and analysis of the episode. You've raised some great points. We can only hope the writers rises up to our expectations 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Amazing post! Of course Shivaay's shock and blatant dismissal of Anika's claims is justified. In his eyes, Anika is accusing his mother. A woman who he knows has loved him more than anything in the world, fiercely and obsessively protected him from anything and everything she thought was a danger to him. He has no idea the levels her obsession has reached. Shivaay knows for a fact that his mother doesn't approve of Anika, but never in his wildest dreams can he imagine her to be so selfish in her love that she'd try to ruin his happiness just to get back her own sense of security. He probably feels that Pinky will eventually accept Anika and just plans to wait it out. So his anger and disbelief is a normal reaction almost anyone would have, in such a situation.
Also, I feel a divorce is almost impossible at this point of time. It would blow up all the progress shivika have made and it just doesn't make sense. Separation might be a possibility but not a divorce. Unless, the writers want to 'do it for the trp'.

I hated the new FL. Her face. Her expressions. Her voice. Her eyebrows. Everything about her gave me major michmichis. Why oh why did they end RuMya?! Come back, Sumo! We all love you and we need you to come back and bicker with your dumbbell Oberoi! 😒

I'm extremely disappointed with the way Omkara's character is being handled in dbo. It breaks my heart.
Today's episode just depressed me in a weird way.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Is Shivaay wrong in disbelieving Pinky's involvement?
No. His reaction is completely valid and legit from a sons POV.
Shivvay's relationships are based on implicit trust and undying love, so where his mother is concerned the same rule is applied.

I know we in the fandom would love for Shivaay to have implicit faith in Annika and take all her statements at face value. However, today's episode raises a very difficult situation for Shivaay, one that he had brought up when he took the bullet for Annika. That he is indeed in a very difficult position having to choose between two most important women in his life, on the one hand his mother and on the other, His wife.
I know Pinky would like to and is trying to make it that he has to chose between one or the other but that is not how Shivvay sees it. Shivvay is a man who is all about facts and even though he is emotional about his mother (any son would be if they had an over protective mother like Pinky) he will look at the facts placed before him from the past and the present.

I don't envy Shivaay right now and neither am I mad at him. Believing annika shakes up 33 years of his upbringing. He did tell his mom (post Mallika) that no matter how she is, his mom is world's best. And for most of us, mothers are indeed a source of comfort and reassurance. The fact that you believe that even when the whole world turns against you, your mom will stand by your side. She is one person whom you can trust implicitly to always have your best interest at heart, to always think of your happiness. The realisation that a mother may not do so, whatever selfish justification she may have given herself, is a huge one. And not something that a person can adjust easily to. Similarly when Annika told Shivaay that his mother is the one who has brought NT in the house, his reaction was of disbelief and dismissal. I don't think he thinks Annika is doing this deliberately, but he does think she's mistaken. My mom cannot take away the love of my life. When Shivaay finds out the truth, I hope Annika is by his side to support him, the poor man's very foundation is going to be shaken so badly
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You summed it up so beautifully - nothing to add 😊

Other highlights of the episode -

- I am glad Annika chose to inform Shivaay about pinky rather than keep it a secret. This is what a husband wife relationship should be, openness and honesty. It is a trust of a lifetime. I shudder to think of when he finds out Annika did his DNA test with Mahi!!! Eeeps!!
I am glad that she told him about Pinky as well. Even if he does not believe it initially he will start seeing the clues and piece them together for himself when the time comes. As for Mahi's truth I think he will understand, after the initial shock wears off, why she did it.

- Annika and Gauri both are now officially Oberoi bahus. Bring on divorce / separation spoilers. I don't think that will happen. Even if it does, TRPs will drop sharply if shivika are forced apart. I mean daksh's allegations against annika's character couldnt keep Shivaay away from Annika, even when he supposedly hated her. Even now Shivaay may get upset and angry with Annika but not so much as to divorce her. But I do think some separation may happen, may be a day's.
Absolutely correct again. I don't think she will leave or there will be a separation because the Mahi track seems to be coming on with ACP and Kamini entering.
This whole 'gol - gol jelebi' was to bring about the Shivvay-Pinky- Mahi track not the ShivIka separation divorce.
Come what may, Shivvay will not back down or break a commitment - wish his mother knew that about him as well. She needs to be introduced to her son ...lol

So that the next phrase of the ishqbaazi confession can come through. Jab main tumhein nahin dekhta hun toh meri saasein ruk jaati hain
I think uske liye abhi time hai but the 'Dhadkaney Tez like dogs running after me' seems to be coming with a pool scene ... lol 🤣

- What a showdown between Jhanvi and pinky!!! Love love love jhanvi for standing by her DIL and telling pinky off. And the reason for pinky's retaliation was clear. She doesn't want to hear that shivaay is so happy with his wife. and she's spoiling his happy life by having such filthy thoughts. Jhanvi's support of Annika is critical. Pinky isn't much of a mother to Shivaay never mind OmRu. Jhanvi on the other hand is happy with Annika for she makes Shivaay happy, she protects him and she looks after him and his family. Pinky has forgotten the pandit ji who early on said that shivaay's wife will protect him against all harm.
Annika has always reminded me of Jhanvi and, for the same reason I feel, Om and Rudy adore and admire Annika and feel protective of her. Their whole body language with Annika is the same as they have with Jhanvi and she too adores both her dewars.

It maybe for the same reason that Shivvay (who is quite a bit like Tej) fell for her, Pinky envy's her (like she resents Jhanvi getting the attention from Dadi), Shakti looks at her with the same tenderness as he does his Bhabhi and Dadi found a younger version of Jhanvi for the next generation.
Even as a wedding planner it was Annika and Jhanvi's tastes, thoughts and themes that matched - not Pinky's ..lol

The older Oberoi Bahu's, of both the generations, are all tenderness, maternal love and filled with kindness. Annika displays all the poise, restraint, grace and regal bearing that Jhanvi does in public. True blue Oberoi Bahu.

That is why she feels like a log in Pinky's eye. Annika had slid into her role as an Oberoi Bahu with ease even back then, when she had not been accepted by Shivvay's as his wife.
She was accepted and respected by all in the house except Pinky and Shivvay. Now she feels betrayed by Shivvay as she is left standing alone upholding the NKK that they both lived by.
It is why she feels he choose Annika over her and hence her hatred for Annika. Her envy and hatred are making her blind not only to her sons happiness but also to the gem she has in a DIL

- Omki shomki urf nandi the bail, needs to calm down a bit. Always jumping down his wife's throat!! Wonder if bua ma intended to spike his milk to put him in a romantic mood or if her irada was more sinister!!! Only time will tell.
Isn't she going to turn dark??!!

- DID NOT like the new FL opposite Rudra. I mean cry baby?!! Really? Rudra already was one, why are we getting another?! Soumya, pl come back from Australia. RumYa was such a beautiful pairing in this country obsessed with outward appearances. I wish the CVs and the channel had the guts to go ahead with that track.
They will end up showing that her 'rona - dhona' was an act and that she was only pulling Rudy's leg and ragging him. The overly playful, over the top cute innocent babe in the wood kinda girl who will giggle at the drop of a hat - too sweet for me man!!!
Give me my 'parathey wale haath' any day.
Good, strong, honest, intelligent and head on the shoulders kinda girl who does not shy away from playing the Dhol for Ganesh Chaturthi or rescuing Prince Charming and his tushie from Romi.
That describes both the present Jr. O'Bahu's as well btw - Daabang !!

Can't wait for tomorrow's episode. Pinky's OMM is close by. I am sure of this. If Kamini is returning as the resident vamp, there is no way these two ladies will join hands. My only worry is annika's involvement and knowledge about shivaay's birth and past should be known to him through Annika and Annika alone.
Actually I would like him to get a 'jhatka' from Kamini / Pinky and then Annika console and take care of him. I do not want him to find out that she kept it from him till he has heard about it from the other source. He is already riled up about her mentioning his mother being the one conspiring with NT, I don't want this burden on her head as well.
This is Pinky's problem and let Pinky face the music.


Shivaay's redemption vis-a-vis Annika will happen only when NKK gets thoroughly demolished. For that demolition to happen, the first step will be Shivaay finding out the truth about pinky. I am hopeful the hospital CCTV recording may become clearer!!! Or that khannaji is able to do something productive rather than just stand with a gun against the kidnapper's head. And today's precap indicates Sahil is out in the open, is pinky involved in his kidnapping also?!
In the pre cap they show that Shivvay blamed NT for Sahil's kidnapping and asked Annika to stop placing the facts before him. It seems Annika will decided to just let it be considering his reaction to Pinky's involvement was so severe. She has been over protective about him since she found out about Mahi and I can see why she would just back off.

Pinky's truth will only happen after Mahi comes in I feel. It seems Pinky will not be exposed with NT exiting but this may make Pinky even bolder to take a bigger risk, confident in the knowledge that whatever happens Shivvay will never believe any proof against her.

Annika mentioning it to Shivvay was the good part - I am glad that she did not hide it. This is the right way to do it. Place the facts before the person with the truth and let him decide what he wants to do about it. Now that she has done it and has tried to make him see she needs to back off and let things take their own course. Shivvay has been told and may end up seeing the clues himself even if they are hard to believe.

I am glad that Shivvay did not believe Annika blindly and she did not cause the truth to come out that would have exposed Pinky and thus caused the mother-son rift. If that rift had happened because of her it would be the guilt that she would carry all her life.

I want that Pinky gets bolder with this small win and
brews a darker and deadlier plot, thinking that she still can attempt to separate ShivIka. And this time I want Shivvay stumbling upon that plot while he attempts to clear his doubts about his mothers involvement, with Annika completely unaware that this is happening, and ends up unmasking her for who she really is.

The next step towards redemption will be to find out that he isn't actually an Oberoi. Only then will his issues with "mother of my children" and the whole NKK thought process crash down.
You mean being led to 'believe' that he is not an Oberoi because according to Ms. Gul he is an Oberoi. Yes ... you are correct ...lol
That should rock his world and his mothers right of the NKK orbit 😆


Edited by asya34 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Shivaay's anger is justified but I have only one thing which is bothering me. The way he said that "meri maa ne tumhare bhai ko bachaya". I mean sahil was standing there itself and saying tumhara bhai is like he is no one to you? In anger Shivaay forgets everything that what he is saying to whom he is saying. Instead of tumhara bhai, he could have said that sahil ko bachaya but here it appeared as if annika-sahil are apart from his family.
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Originally posted by: angel_nonu

Shivaay's anger is justified but I have only one thing which is bothering me. The way he said that "meri maa ne tumhare bhai ko bachaya". I mean sahil was standing there itself and saying tumhara bhai is like he is no one to you? In anger Shivaay forgets everything that what he is saying to whom he is saying. Instead of tumhara bhai, he could have said that sahil ko bachaya but here it appeared as if annika-sahil are apart from his family.


exactly - i agree with wtv u said and i am not going to give a free pass to shivaay for this comment, neither should anika 😕

and if he is going to keep doing that everytime something happens with his blood relatives then all his promises to anika are super khokhla - bas bolne ke liye bol diya types!

him not believing that his mother is the culprit is a perfect first reaction but the venom that was spewed after towards anika and sahil is not warranted! he didnt even think how it can effect an 8 year old's mind shows he doesnt consider sahil as family. 1 step forward 10000 steps backward in case of billu for trps 😆
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Originally posted by: angel_nonu

Shivaay's anger is justified but I have only one thing which is bothering me. The way he said that "meri maa ne tumhare bhai ko bachaya". I mean sahil was standing there itself and saying tumhara bhai is like he is no one to you? In anger Shivaay forgets everything that what he is saying to whom he is saying. Instead of tumhara bhai, he could have said that sahil ko bachaya but here it appeared as if annika-sahil are apart from his family.


@bold when did she save sahil? ...

I agree😭...
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Originally posted by: angel_nonu

Shivaay's anger is justified but I have only one thing which is bothering me. The way he said that "meri maa ne tumhare bhai ko bachaya". I mean sahil was standing there itself and saying tumhara bhai is like he is no one to you? In anger Shivaay forgets everything that what he is saying to whom he is saying. Instead of tumhara bhai, he could have said that sahil ko bachaya but here it appeared as if annika-sahil are apart from his family.


Agree with you that he shouldn't have said that. However, the man is disturbed. He has been told by one of the two most important woman in his life that the other most imp woman in his life has absolutely no regard for his happiness, and is in fact conspiring against his family. I think he can be allowed to lose his temper. People say things when they are angry, as long as he repents it later and apologises to Anika and Sahil, I will let him pass for now. I also think he's angry, he's going nuts in his head and needs time to sort things out. Likely that this scene took place almost immediately after what Anika told him. Let's see how he pulls himself out of this.
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Originally posted by: NYCForever


exactly - i agree with wtv u said and i am not going to give a free pass to shivaay for this comment, neither should anika 😕

and if he is going to keep doing that everytime something happens with his blood relatives then all his promises to anika are super khokhla - bas bolne ke liye bol diya types!

him not believing that his mother is the culprit is a perfect first reaction but the venom that was spewed after towards anika and sahil is not warranted! he didnt even think how it can effect an 8 year old's mind shows he doesnt consider sahil as family. 1 step forward 10000 steps backward in case of billu for trps 😆


Billu is in shock and angry. I will allow him one pass, as long as he repents it later and apologises to both Anika and Sahil. besides billu and his billi are such draamebaaz, I am surprised at what they plot and do. Will wait for the arc, as harneet has said!
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Originally posted by: angel_nonu

Shivaay's anger is justified but I have only one thing which is bothering me. The way he said that "meri maa ne tumhare bhai ko bachaya". I mean sahil was standing there itself and saying tumhara bhai is like he is no one to you? In anger Shivaay forgets everything that what he is saying to whom he is saying. Instead of tumhara bhai, he could have said that sahil ko bachaya but here it appeared as if annika-sahil are apart from his family.


he said tumhara bhai because he was making a point.
for example lets suppose a child's life is saved by a stranger. But instead of saying thanks mother will start accusing him. The father will say "Dont say that he saved the life of your child".
Now will u complain why he didn't said "Dont say that he saved the life of our child"? like he is noone to the father?
i cant pour my thoughts properly but hope this makes sense 😆

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