Why ShivIka Leaving&Illegitimacy Might Happen (Edited:SSO's twin?)

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Okay, before people start to panic. I want to make it very clear that this post is based on my speculations and opinions. No spoilers have come out. Just sharing my opinion after watching today's episode.

So today we got to know what the real agenda of the Fakester is. His target is Pinky. He's actively working to make her feel like an outcast, making her feel like her whole family is against her and the one person who'd somewhat stand up for her (especially when she's as right as she was today) doesn't give two hoots about her. Simply put, he's playing on her insecurities, building them up, so she feels more and more like the odd one out in Oberoi Mansion (something she already feels, anyway).

Why is he doing this? He seems to actively hate her. Seems to blame her for everything wrong that has happened with him. "Aaj tak ghalat ho raha tha. Uss ko sahee kerney aaya hoon."At one point, he looked like he'd get inherent pleasure by suffocating her. He was almost possessed by the idea of hurting this woman.

Yet, he doesn't seem like a man without a conscious. He averted his eyes when Anika took off her dupatta (which, for some reason, she decided to do today, of all days ๐Ÿ˜•). He stepped back when she approached him and looked like she might actually touch him. He burst out to hurt her to put some "space" between them and seemed genuinely sorry to have hurt "Anika ji".

He admits he's bad but not a kameena. He doesn't mind breaking rules but he won't knowingly hurt someone (if he can avoid it). He feels like he's doing something for the greater good, methinks and hurting anika, along with other, lesser evils, are all worth it. "Focus on what you're here to do", he told himself today.

So why does hurting Pinky draw such a different reaction? There's only one explanation I can come up right now. He feels that she's taken his mother's place and her son, our beloved SSO, has taken his. He's been wronged, cheated. His mother has been insulted. He must take revenge and set things right. His mother belongs next to Shakti and he should be the touted Oberoi waaris. He's here, as usual, for badla ๐Ÿ˜†

And do we really need to wonder who the mother might turn out to be? She's been dropping her pallu at Shakti ever since she arrived. Like it was her haq to do so. She actively dislikes Pinky and loves making her feel insecure. Tej has hinted, time and again, that the two have a colorful history together. Every time he tries to go into detail, Shakti shuts him up. I know many people think PiShakNi are just for comedy but trust me, writers find comedic tracks the easiest way to slip in major future tracks without the audiences suspecting anything.

The only thing working against Kameeni-the-mother-theory is that Fakevaay has a very different accent. So, he might just be someone she discovered, and told him that he is an Oberoi. That Shakti Oberoi had done to his mother what he's done to Kameeni (which, I think, might actually be true. Remember Shakti's guilt in the earliest episodes?) and that he has to take SSO's place to take revenge for her insult, as well as his mother's. He's honestly looks extremely dumb - someone who'd believe this in a jiffy.

So how does Shivaay tie into this all? The dude looks like him - there has to be a reason for it. I think the kidnappers will convince him that he isn't actually an Oberoi - which won't be true! How? I don't know, yet but they'll need to have some solid proof because Shivaay definitely is an Oberoi. I think after he's released, he will discover something about his or Fakevaay's past that might convince him that he isn't a legitimate Oberoi.

I should mention this here - I don't think Shivaay is illegitimate. I don't want him to be. I am vehemently against a track where ShivIka dynamics change based on this revelation as that would shake the very foundations of what the couple is supposed to stand for. I'd rather see Shivaay falling for her once again because of her determination to stand by him and to not be daunted at what lies ahead for them both. How will that happen?

He'll be devastated at this news. His whole world will come crumbling down around him and he'll decide to walk out in hurt revenge against Pinky and Shakti and a sense of what's right for his doppelganger.

Anika will walk out with him. She's in love with the man, not the name. They'll be forced to live in less than ideal conditions and she'll stand by him no matter what. Her determination will surprise Shivaay, making him feel more for her. It's not something (according to him) he would have done for someone. Yet, she has the strength to bear it all for him. They'll grow closer by the end of it.

At the same time, I think Anika will also be the one to point out the inconsistencies to Shivaay in the illegitimacy claims. Shivaay will be too hurt and wrecked to want to talk, think or discuss about this new piece of information that's overturned his very being. Anika will not. She'll see the things that don't make sense and point them out to him. They will once again embark on another mission.

I don't know how ACP ties into this - if you have any ideas, do share.

Edited to ADD: The possibility of Fakevaay being SSO's twin

Okay, so lots of people seem to believe that Fakevaay might actually be SSO's twin. Honestly, it's something that I though of, too, although didn't quite know how technicalities would play out (is it possible for a mother to not know she's delivered twins? I'm a novice in this department ๐Ÿ˜†)

But come to think of it, it might actually be true:

1)Fakevaay's hatred seems to be directed only and only at Pinky. As if she - of all people - should've acted better. As if she's given him a dhoka so big that she deserves to suffocate for it.

2)Precap scene: Fakevaay seems to be obsessed with Pinky in an almost oedipus way - except that he hates her. Plus, he also seems to be looking for something about his past in ShinKy's room

3) As Asya (@asya34) pointed out, Fakevaay is a lot like Shivaay. It's something I originally wanted to add in my post, too. As she put it "He respects Annika as 'kissi aur ki biwi', is doing whatever he is doing for his maa, does not like being controlled (flipping at Annika) and goes 'focus' like Shivvay as he eliminates all distractions and concentrates on the task at hand."The way he said "focus" really reminded me of Shivaay. Also, how he uses his hand gestures to demonstrate a point. He's hard on the outside and a softie from the inside. Just like our SSO๐Ÿ˜‰

4) I am not aware of how science ties into this. But I dunno if it's possible for half brothers to look so exactly like each other. Nevertheless, that's not something that'll stop Indian telly ๐Ÿ˜†

5) To wrap it up, his ultimate badla might be ousting Pinky and having Kamini take her place. I think Kamini might be someone who brought him up but not as an ever-present mother (accent difference). Just someone who visited him in ulhaasnagar once in a while and paid for his expenses.

If he turns out to be SSO's twin - and that's a big IF - He won't last long. NM can't play a double role for an extended period of time

You can add more reasons - why or why not ๐Ÿ˜Š

Also, I know this isn't related to the topic but it's too much to ignore. I didn't appreciate how off-handedly they brought up a subject as sensitive as dowry. If you want to discuss it, fine - go ahead. But don't friggin' dismiss it so off-handedly. Don't use it merely as a plot device. It's insulting to the many who have to go through this every day.
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pyaarimpossible thumbnail
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Risha
Great great post. You analyzed the scenes so we'll!!

Nothing more to add from my side as I think it might happen but I also think that the whole issue whatever the issue is ll be solved in 10 days or should we interpret it as the whole issue ll surface in 10 days !??
If so illegitimacy track might come into play.

The post is well constructed.
Hats off!

I also don't know about ACP connection.

Pinky suddenly gaining importance in this also makes me accept that fake illegitimacy is coming.
Let's see.


Great post once again
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am also one of those people who are so against this illegitimate Shivaay track. I don't want the dynamic of Shivika to change. At the same time,I want Shivaay to experience Annika's world. Although I can only accept such a track unless I truly know that Shivaay is NOT illegitimate. Shivika's journey is still not over. They have a lot to go through. Shivaay still needs to see Annika's past and her world. The illegitimacy makes for a good drama and excuse for this, but I wish Shivaay and Annika went on their own accord.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Interesting theory / speculation Risha...
here is my take on the whole raaitaa that CV's trying to failaoo...

One fine day Kamini / ACP find Shivay look a like and is blackmailed to play fake Shivay to ensure smooth PriVeer wedding because they have firsthand seen how unpredictable Shivay is...when Dask forced his hand expecting him to chose Prinku over Anika...

Kamini I feel is back to take Revenge on Shakti & Pinki because it is very much possible that Shakti broke up with her to marry Pinky for his family sake... & after Dkasha ka dhoolaie the other day usaka bhi toh badala lengi... Chota Bhaiii hain woo uskai itani insult kiya Shivay ne..

Once the wedding is done Original Shivay might come back and will get to know what Prinku has been put into by him (off course unintentionally ) & unable to bear the guilt and accusation of Tej he will leave OM with Anika...

I refuse to entertain even the thought that Shivay is illegitimate ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜† as in that case Ranveer and Prinku become bro-sis and ppl will kill Gul if even by mistake she implied that Prinky married to her brother...

Ps: as for this GangaRam... for sure he will have a soft spot for Anika & when Anika is put on the spot for sharing the room with a impostor he will come to her defense saying he is a bad guy but not a Kamina unlike u so called high society ppl.. bla bla

Edited by Smiley_23 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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nice post๐Ÿ‘
about fakevvaye i think that he's not kamini's son...that's just impossible even in tv land half brothers just can't look the exact same (even if it's a Gul show) that's just too much๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†

but as u said he might some 1 that is convinced of being an oberoi ( my theory is that kamini and shakti did have a son who perhaps died & kamini just wants revenge & she convinced the fake of the same)

that is the most logical yet tvish kind of a track

and since u talked about how he said he's not kamina i just hope that he doesn't end up falling for anika evntually ( ididn't think that would be possible but the fact that he was sad about hurting annika jsut felt๐Ÿคข)

about illgeitmacy, i do hope ur theory comes true...as it will help shivaye learn his lesson WITHOUT BEING ILLGETIMATE
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pyaarimpossible

Risha

Great great post. You analyzed the scenes so we'll!!

Nothing more to add from my side as I think it might happen but I also think that the whole issue whatever the issue is ll be solved in 10 days or should we interpret it as the whole issue ll surface in 10 days !??
If so illegitimacy track might come into play.

The post is well constructed.
Hats off!

I also don't know about ACP connection.

Pinky suddenly gaining importance in this also makes me accept that fake illegitimacy is coming.
Let's see.


Great post once again


just curious how many days have passed of those 10 days in tv land? 2 or 3? or are we still in the first day?๐Ÿคข
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Posted: 8 years ago
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So today we got to know what the real agenda of the Fakester is. His target is Pinky. He's actively working to make her feel like an outcast, making her feel like her whole family is against her and the one person who'd somewhat stand up for her (especially when she's as right as she was today) doesn't give two hoots about her. Simply put, he's playing on her insecurities, building them up, so she feels more and more like the odd one out in Oberoi Mansion (something she already feels, anyway).
I noticed that as well. He is trying to isolate her and break her self-confidence. Pinky has always prided on the fact that 'Mera Shivvay' will always respect me even if he disagrees with me.

Why is he doing this? He seems to actively hate her. Seems to blame her for everything wrong that has happened with him. "Aaj tak ghalat ho raha tha. Uss ko sahee kerney aaya hoon."At one point, he looked like he'd get inherent pleasure by suffocating her. He was almost possessed by the idea of hurting this woman.
Again I agree. It seems he feels he has been wronged and it somehow has to do with Pinky - only Pinky

Yet, he doesn't seem like a man without a conscious. He averted his eyes when Anika took off her dupatta (which, for some reason, she decided to do today, of all days ๐Ÿ˜•). He stepped back when she approached him and looked like she might actually touch him. He burst out to hurt her to put some "space" between them and seemed genuinely sorry to have hurt "Anika ji".
All jokes apart and looking past his outer crass and unpolished personality, he is the splitting image of Shivvay. I know I joke about how Shivvay is the 'Aristo Cat' while this guy reminds me of 'Garfield' but if you look closer they are not that different.
He respects Annika as 'kissi aur ki biwi', is doing whatever he is doing for his maa, does not like being controlled (flipping at Annika) and goes 'focus' like Shivvay as he eliminates all distractions and concentrates on the task at hand.
As far as I can tell they are related and may very well be twins. Again just my opinion.
I cannot see any of the boys being illegitimate right now.

He admits he's bad but not a kameena. He doesn't mind breaking rules but he won't knowingly hurt someone (if he can avoid it). He feels like he's doing something for the greater good, methinks and hurting anika, along with other, lesser evils, are all worth it. "Focus on what you're here to do", he told himself today.
he! he! ... just proved my point about how similar his basic personality is to Shivvay. You could say they are cut from the same cloth, wouldn't you?? But their taste in women starkly differ. This guy has spent not even half a day with our fire cracker and he is ready to explode himself.
Shivvay on the other hand basks in her attention while he suffocates in it. This guy is a free spirit and more like Annika than Shivvay in that respect.

So why does hurting Pinky draw such a different reaction? There's only one explanation I can come up right now. He feels that she's taken his mother's place and her son, our beloved SSO, has taken his. He's been wronged, cheated. His mother has been insulted. He must take revenge and set things right. His mother belongs next to Shakti and he should be the touted Oberoi waaris. He's here, as usual, for badla ๐Ÿ˜†

And do we really need to wonder who the mother might turn out to be? She's been dropping her pallu at Shakti ever since she arrived. Like it was her haq to do so. She actively dislikes Pinky and loves making her feel insecure. Tej has hinted, time and again, that the two have a colorful history together. Every time he tries to go into detail, Shakti shuts him up. I know many people think PiShakNi are just for comedy but trust me, writers find comedic tracks the easiest way to slip in major future tracks without the audiences suspecting anything.
Here is where I differ from your theory and again just my opinion. I feel he is as much Pinky's son as Shivvay is. I think there might have been something that may have happened during the birth that resulted in the boys being separated. Pinky told he was still born or something to that effect. Hence she is so protective about Shivvay and so possessive about him. Shivvay too has a heart condition and they might have been very weak children when they were born. It could also have been a choice of choosing the life of one child over the other or some complication like that.
He looks genuinely hurt only by Pinky, no one else.


The only thing working against Kameeni-the-mother-theory is that Fakevaay has a very different accent. So, he might just be someone she discovered, and told him that he is an Oberoi. That Shakti Oberoi had done to his mother what he's done to Kameeni (which, I think, might actually be true. Remember Shakti's guilt in the earliest episodes?) and that he has to take SSO's place to take revenge for her insult, as well as his mother's. He's honestly looks extremely dumb - someone who'd believe this in a jiffy.
I don't think he was discovered because it seems like he is doing it for HIS mother who may be Kamini (if she brought him up). This sounds like something that has been kept under wraps till the time was right.

So how does Shivaay tie into this all? The dude looks like him - there has to be a reason for it. I think the kidnappers will convince him that he isn't actually an Oberoi - which won't be true! How? I don't know, yet but they'll need to have some solid proof because Shivaay definitely is an Oberoi. I think after he's released, he will discover something about his or Fakevaay's past that might convince him that he isn't a legitimate Oberoi.
That can only happen if Kamini claims that he is her son and the fake one is Pinky's. She does have the 'kanji' eyes and you have to admit to a certain extent Shivvay is less similar to Pinky than 'gangaram'...lol

I should mention this here - I don't think Shivaay is illegitimate. I don't want him to be. I am vehemently against a track where ShivIka dynamics change based on this revelation as that would shake the very foundations of what the couple is supposed to stand for. I'd rather see Shivaay falling for her once again because of her determination to stand by him and to not be daunted at what lies ahead for them both. How will that happen?

He'll be devastated at this news. His whole world will come crumbling down around him and he'll decide to walk out in hurt revenge against Pinky and Shakti and a sense of what's right for his doppelganger.
I cannot see Shivvay walking out to hurt them - he genuinely loves both his parents. If it happens it would be because he has no right as an illegitimate son. It is what he has always believed in himself so how can he now not abide by it when to comes to him.

Anika will walk out with him. She's in love with the man, not the name. They'll be forced to live in less than ideal conditions and she'll stand by him no matter what. Her determination will surprise Shivaay, making him feel more for her. It's not something (according to him) he would have done for someone. Yet, she has the strength to bear it all for him. They'll grow closer by the end of it.

At the same time, I think Anika will also be the one to point out the inconsistencies to Shivaay in the illegitimacy claims. Shivaay will be too hurt and wrecked to want to talk, think or discuss about this new piece of information that's overturned his very being. Anika will not. She'll see the things that don't make sense and point them out to him. They will once again embark on another mission.
This track is needed for the last of the NKK to disappear. It will also lay foundations to deal with Annika's past when that happens.

I don't know how ACP ties into this - if you have any ideas, do share.

Also, I know this isn't related to the topic but it's too much to ignore. I didn't appreciate how off-handedly they brought up a subject as sensitive as dowry. If you want to discuss it, fine - go ahead. But don't friggin' dismiss it so off-handedly. Don't use it merely as a plot device. It's insulting to the many who have to go through this every day.


Edited by --Risha-- - 20 March 2017 at 10:23am
Edited by asya34 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I don't understand his reason for hate but fakester seems to hate Pinky a lot. He said he will throw her out of OM. Maybe for that he might make her think shivaay is illegitmate. He himself may create such proofs that kamini is his real mother and fake shivaay will choose kamini over pinky and throw pinky out or make her feel totally out of place. As tej pointed shivaay is all she has she loses shivay totally this way. But will real shivaay remain in tat place for so long!


I don;t understand where real shivaay fits in my theory. CVs story shivika ki hai not some random gangaram ki ladai with pinky mata. ๐Ÿ˜•
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: EnasZ


just curious how many days have passed of those 10 days in tv land? 2 or 3? or are we still in the first day?๐Ÿคข



2nd day not ended yet. ๐Ÿ˜†
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Great post Risha. Even I thought of the same possibilities. Well I also have another theory maybe pinky aunty gave birth to twins but before pinky aunty knew about that either the boy was kidnapped or doctors might have told he didn't survive and obroi family decided not to tell pinky aunty but what actually happened was the boy was taken away by a big hater of Obroi's.
And now using this past to destroy obroi family.

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