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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Justmoi

The key here to take away KJO refused to distribute. That is where he would lose money. He does not lose anything by tweeting and poor Swara is so kiss ass she thinks she has to pay him to do that. 🤔. It is the mentality here, that somehow KJO is superior because he is an industry elite. This is almost like a slave mentality. "Thank you master from the crumbs off your table". 🤢

This is why I like Kangy. She is arrogant and in your face. She does not think her place is not deserved and people who do not accept her can eff off. You can debate if Ranveer is an outsider or insider, for me he is an outsider, but from the beginning you see the arrogance that makes it clear that he thinks he has a place in the industry. That is the difference between an attitude of success and failure.

Outsider or insider, every single one who has succeeded has been arrogant enough to decide that they deserve a place in the industry and they will do what it takes to get there. It is SRK's story. If people think he built Mannat or Red Chillies by being in awe of industry insiders, well go back and look at his interviews. The one defining trait is his arrogance. Swara will never succeed unless she thinks she deserves to be there and there is no hierarchy.

this is so inspiring!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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srk also got stuff rejected by other actors no?
ju like dp got bebo n pari's rejects
veer got rk's rejects

newbie outsiders usually get rejected stuff n they make it gold

luck by chance is the ultimate film to see how it all functions

srk must hv had a lot of struggle he has talked about it na.

Launching ur kid thru ur banner is NOT wrong
BUT
Giving them one film after another even when they r not good is WRONG

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: cougarTown

i guess we also need to question ourselves

how we ourselves are so much more interested to see a sara ali khan or a jhanvi kapoor..see their movies..then discuss them here for a 30 pages ..then make comparison topics..sri devi vs jhanvi...what went wrong with jhanvi..did talent skip a generation? ..oh she is indeed talented like her mom..blah blah blah

we won't be all this excited for an outsider even before he / she hits the screen..

somehow our obsession with these stars which even continues with their kids is also a root cause..we give them and the movies they may star in so much more hype than we will to an outsider yet to star in a movie..sara ali khan and jhanvi already have fan pages for crying out loud..


I think it is a very valid point. Not every starkid is created equal or will have it easy. The bigger the parent, the higher the expectation and comparison and chance for the starkid to fail.

Even if KJO hands Jhanvi a debut on a platter, the comparison will be brutal. Sri has worked in both the South and BW and was right on top. Every single thing from looks to acting will be compared. Jhanvi cannot be mediocre, she must be good from the beginning or it will be brutal.

I think the biggest reason Abhishek that worked against him was because he was Amitabh and Jaya Bachchan's son, mediocre son of two very talented parents. Even if I judge him brutally I have to admit he was never bad just average. But for him average was never going to be enough to succeed. Similar or worse will happen to Aryan especially since SRK is the poster child for outsider achievement and Aryan is the ultimate insider.

Looks can play a part too. Who can believe Hemaji's daughter can look so average like Esha. She is not ugly but in an industry where your mom was called 'Dream Girl' and dad one of the most handsome faces ever you have to be Ash level beauty to even have a fighting chance. That is what is most probably going to happen to Sunny Deol's son. Comparison from body to looks of not one but two generations of ancestors.

Sara will be compared to both her mom and grandma. Soha was nothing spectacular compared to her mom and I think that worked against her. I think Saif had it easier since he was male and fewer comparisons to Mom.

I think that is what makes nepotism a little bit fair over the struggle of the outsider. Even Starkids struggle too because of comparison. But even they are not immune from a casting couch. Karishma's story is a caution that even an old family name will not save you if you do not have money and support.

Even Alia is not assured a career long term. Now KJO is handing her things on a plate, but long term even she has to compete somewhere. The market that is people ultimately decide and that is what is the saving grace.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: springkissed


Who is even talking about supporting kangana? Case in point the hrithik scenario, if you have not noticed, she does not need or expect anyone's support. And she did not take this up as a "issue" in some random press event, she went to karan's show because she was invited, a show which is all about gossip and karan himself describes as "frivolous" and "not to be taken seriously" called karan a flagbearer of nepotism. Karan then 2 weeks after the show decides to directly attack kang and then her resulting response. Tell me in which way besides being utterly truthful of karan did she show her "agenda?" Karan has actively made fun of her english and I'm sure there were a lot more insults she took in those 7 plus years of career in bollywood and experienced the nepotism first hand. Was she supposed to go to his show, discard her self respect, and be all fake and nice to a guy that made fun of her for all these years?

Well, Good for the actresses that can do the whole "fake" and "nice" thing, but kangana definitely is not to be blamed if she refuses to do such thing. And if she did talk about nepotism now, it is obviously not even going to benefit her, as she does not need producers like karan anymore. She has made her own way, she works with small directors now and if not, she will make her own movies. I don't understand how any "agenda" came into place here. 😕


Well Karan and Kangana are different side of same coin for me...Both cry victim victim, take selective stance..Karan made fun of Kangy's English as well made fun of her plastic surgeries. But bringing up plastic surgery case is bit dicey for Kangy since she has gone under knife soo many times and its obvious ! She picked up one..I'm not supporting Karan Johar and as I said the point brought up by Kangana are very valid..But Kangana had her share of sugar daddies, bed warming histories but now acting like a victim of abuse, extortion, small town girl exploited by big bad bollywood world doesn't really works for me..
Her struggle is extraordinary and for that she has my respect..Thats about it..Clearly she is trying to create an image and she doesn't care of a hoot about others..

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