ShivIka Journey So Far... 200 episodes later

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I just worked up the nerve to watch Shivaay and Annika's marriage again. It was so painful and nerve wrecking the first time, I couldn't go back there again. Even the second time around, my heart was pounding and internally screaming at the tragic situuation.

These two beautiful humans, Shivaay and Annika, who clashed and fought fiercely from the first episode, saw things they liked and disliked in each other. One drop of misunderstanding changed the color of the whole chemical reaction between them, leading to the most heartbreaking wedding of the year (for me).

SSO's volcanic rage and the sheer unfairness of what he did to Annika is still a painful scar. The way he chased her down to catch her, the way he dragged her through the whole ceremony, and the way he treated her like a dirty stain afterwards. What a mess, he said, to her after the wedding.

How after this wedding, she became the one to be blamed for everything that came after. When she in fact, from the start was the piece of indirect good luck that seemed to stop all the mishaps that befell their house. And she is called and made to believe she is "manhoos" ...Irony of ironies.

"How can you marry her? She has no Bloodline, Family and Standards! How did this happen, Shivaay?"

and yesterday, Rudra was in the flip situation, he said ok to marry a girl who has Khoon, Khandaan and Naam, And NO ONE did any research on this family, Tej is blinded by Svetlana , and Rudra is bound by love of his father and brother.

Annika knows what a huge problem marriage is, when it isn't wholehearted. She loves Rudra like a brother. She and him have bonded at a level more honest, loyal and loving than even Shivaay. She never thinks twice when it comes to speaking up for him. Amazing. And she thinks he is not thinking this through. Yes, she is interfering, but no one else is taking a stand for this kid who is trying on his big brother's shoes to take one for the team.

Yet, Annika is still not accepted as family. She swallows insult after insult, at her lack of prestige and class. And Shivaay blinks and stands is dismay, but says nothing, because it's the truth. When it came to Rudra, this faceless Sonia Chadda is Bilkul fit hai. Without knowing anything about her.

Annika is stuck in that house because Shivaay is not letting her go. She has been the only one who has been respecting the institution of marriage from the point he put on the mangalsutra and sindhoor. Rasm after rasm.

He is just only starting to warm up to it, finding himself deeply attached to her NOW.

SO much has been said to her and done. Everybody has a breaking or melting point.

What do you guys think?

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Episode 148

" I do not believe in this marriage. Nor will I give you the status of being my wife. I will divorce you, it'll be like all this never happened."

" You will know how it feels when you lose the thing you find most precious. When the most important decision in your life, is out of your hands..."
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Your love for the characters is evident in every word you write. And you always write so beautifully.


It seems to me that they are deliberately showing Annika's forbearance in the face of outrageous eviscerations so that the repentance of the family, when it comes, will be that much deeper. Cue for lots of hand wringing and self reproach. Complete with Annika saying she understood where they were coming from and holds no grudges. A cynical view says it makes for good TV.

Sadly, it doesn't reflect reality. Good doesn't always conquer evil. Wrongs are not always righted. There is a fine line between fortitude and being ridden roughshod over. And right now, Annika is not on the right side of it.


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Originally posted by: Arshi67

Your love for the characters is evident in every word you write. And you always write so beautifully.


It seems to me that they are deliberately showing Annika's forbearance in the face of outrageous eviscerations so that the repentance of the family, when it comes, will be that much deeper. Cue for lots of hand wringing and self reproach. Complete with Annika saying she understood where they were coming from and holds no grudges. A cynical view says it makes for good TV.

Sadly, it doesn't reflect reality. Good doesn't always conquer evil. Wrongs are not always righted. There is a fine line between fortitude and being ridden roughshod over. And right now, Annika is not on the right side of it.



Thanks dearie ..

I think I am way too obsessed with this show. Well, it's my happy place...😆

What is up with the memory loss spoiler !?

I hope its a plot by ShivIka... Because they just figured out that Tia is suspicious...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnnzSageflower7


Thanks dearie ..

I think I am way too obsessed with this show. Well, it's my happy place...😆

What is up with the memory loss spoiler !?

I hope its a plot by ShivIka... Because they just figured out that Tia is suspicious...


And happy places are the best places to be in!

It's mind boggling the rate at which spoilers are being bandied about lately. Keeps us all well occupied though ... and gives the CVs loads of ideas as to how to play out the scenarios once they've read all the conjectures here 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Inspired to finally come back to the show that has left me in a tizzy with its speed and illogic, I arrive at the forum to find you, my love. Thanks for the PM, by the way. And coming to this post---

Its been almost 200 episodes. Their equation has changed so much that in some ways its not even the same man who we are seeing onscreen now. In terms of character growth, with Shivika, I even understand Om Deewani points of view-- that is one character that has been criminally underused and twisted about, and honestly, its a good thing he is getting his own space. But the thing is, I still feel this sense of forboding when I watch Shivika. Its like waiting for the other shoe to drop, for that imbalanced vase to shatter off the ledge. Because the NKK has been sublimated in Shivaay's indulgence of his needs. And the person who will pay for it, for being his secret (and now, not so secret) indulgence will be the toy he is refusing to let go of--Anika.

I'll tell you something, love. I HAVENT watched the two weeks leading upto, and past the marriage. I'm obviously upto date, but I couldn't bring myself to watch. Not one rasam, not one cruelty. I re-joined the show when Daksh Bhai saab came back, thankfully, double quick, and Shivaay got his brains back. But honestly, when I got back, the psychic scars on Anika had already manifested. And the girl she is today is as affected by her marriage as that frightened sister was when she sat for the pheras. All the blush lessons and NDE and soul connections in the world has not erased HOW she ended up here, in this house. With this man.

I want to speak as a married woman, for one second, if you will let me. Because each of us who went through the ceremonies, the adjustment, the in laws and the new relationships know this. We know that HOW we enter our in law's house affects how we are treated there. Izzat, pyaar, intezar. If you are brought in by your husband with those in his heart, you have the right to expect those to be given to you by not just him, but his family, too. And not just to you. To your family too. No matter how good people are, they will treat you in your sasural as per guidelines set by your husband when you enter it. And that will not change materially, no matter how many years you are married, no matter what punya you earn, or what good deeds you do in your new home.

The Anika the OM people met first was a woman they respected. This is true, go back, and rewatch the scenes. She was someone with a voice, who spoke up against what she saw as wrong. Who took a stand, and had her spine intact, and was respected for being herself. While NKK for SSO is a big deal, it is not the same for the others. They liked her, and were a little in awe of her, for the strength of who she was, for how she stood upto the man they all feared, just a little. But that girl got left behind, on an empty field, when she got blackmailed into becoming that man's new toy. Back then he wanted to break the toy. Right now he wants to play and cuddle with it. But she is still an inanimate object, her will, her voice and her strength silenced.

I would say her NKK are just a convenient attack point for Pinky, who must know the hypocrisy of her saying any of this, at least. One line about her own background from Shakti will bring her crashing down to earth. Shivaay doesn't even have to do this, his father can. Pinky is hardly one to talk, and surely she knows this as well as her audience in that house, who stay silent because they don't have to protest any of this, when Shivaay isn't bothering to. So, these taunts she makes are, for me, not worth the outrage they get. Because the truth is, it is Shivaay who is the real reason why Anika will not be accepted by Pinky or Tej. She has a weakness, sure. This will be used to humiliate her for another 200 episodes. Note that even Sahil does not get a pass here--if she is vulnerable, so is he. And she cannot protect him anymore than herself, right now.

But my point is her background is not the REASON she is being humiliated, its not the reason she is vulnerable. The way Shivaay married her, her being in OM without even a Biwi title, the pending divorce she doesn't even know is a sham, the silence (or quick topic change), Shivaay greets her every humiliation with --those are why she is being torn apart internally. Even Dadi gets to play with the Anika doll, and make herself important by choosing to support, or stay silent.

I don't get people demanding that she walk out. Walk out and go where? Do what? Where will this newly vulnerable Anika go? Physically, he has robbed her of her home, of her way out. Emotionally, he has stolen her very heart. Psychologically, she is terrified of losing him, she responds to his needs before she draws breath. Financially, he has crippled her in debt. Where will we (or she) find the old Anika? How will she come back?

OmRu, the conscience of the story, are the only ones who saw, and acted and protested the monstrous unfairness of all this. I think they do it even now, even after Shivaay has changed from the monster who dragged his prize home. I think its telling that even Om, who called her Anika casually only weeks ago now ONLY refers to her by her title. It sounded odd, since he waited until after marriage. But they have an actual full scene where he changes from name to title deliberately, and I think it was meant to strike us as odd. Om has accepted her, when Shivaay has not. Rudra goes one step further-- he makes sure even Soumya acknowledges her as Bhabi, not Didi. OmRu assert her status, every chance they get. These two know the value of titles, and bestow hers on her again and again, to her face.

But neither Anika, nor OmRu can undo what Shivaay has done. And until he acknowledges NOT that he loves her (which is his private business), but that she is his wife (which is his public duty), he cannot protect her. And all the "main sab thik kardungas" in the world will not undo the damage of how he brought her here. None of his private affection will undo the psychic hurt that has her crumpling from the kind of blind hatred she would have stormed and revolted against a month ago.

When SSO put the mangalsutra on Anika, he tied her to himself like a lamb chained to the slaughterhouse. She can no more remove the yoke around her neck than a lamb can, right now. She was first bound by her faith in marriage, and is now bound by the needs of her husband. But he has not acknowledged her need as his wife, her right to his respect or to acquire his name as her protection. And he wont. He doesn't need to. And she wont make him. The old Anika would have. But in her bitter despair, this trapped woman has decided-- she cannot ask for her rights, or demand her title. She has none, and whatever she did have, did earn -- he has obliterated.

I feel scared. I feel a sense of forboding that makes me tense, makes me ignore the dramatic family crap and focus on the broken, hurting woman who is struggling with a man she cannot have and cannot leave. That other shoe? The unfinished business that all this portends? That will drop. Hold onto your heart, my love, and be very wary for the next 200 episodes.
Edited by napstermonster - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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^An excellent analysis of Annika's position, Navin 👏


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Originally posted by: napstermonster

Inspired to finally come back to the show that has left me in a tizzy with its speed and illogic, I arrive at the forum to find you, my love. Thanks for the PM, by the way. And coming to this post---

So happy to see you here ! Yay!

Its been almost 200 episodes. Their equation has changed so much that in some ways its not even the same man who we are seeing onscreen now. In terms of character growth, with Shivika, I even understand Om Deewani points of view-- that is one character that has been criminally underused and twisted about, and honestly, its a good thing he is getting his own space. But the thing is, I still feel this sense of forboding when I watch Shivika. Its like waiting for the other shoe to drop, for that imbalanced vase to shatter off the ledge. Because the NKK has been sublimated in Shivaay's indulgence of his needs. And the person who will pay for it, for being his secret (and now, not so secret) indulgence will be the toy he is refusing to let go of--Anika.

I think it was Pearl (@asya34) who put it succinctly, Shivaay has sort of relented that he has succumbed to this attachment to Annika, ignoring the NKK, just like he could just slide over and ignore the fact that (he thinks) Om may be illegitimate.

His prejudices still exist very much, just that he (for want of a better word) SETTLED for lesser, by accepting Annika.

That itself is criminal, because what she brings to him, that peace of mind and selfless support, is more precious than any money he can make.

I thought Shivaay deserved a good lesson in losing Annika, but his recent behavior with the successive NDEs makes me feel really sorry for him.


I'll tell you something, love. I HAVENT watched the two weeks leading upto, and past the marriage. I'm obviously upto date, but I couldn't bring myself to watch. Not one rasam, not one cruelty. I re-joined the show when Daksh Bhai saab came back, thankfully, double quick, and Shivaay got his brains back. But honestly, when I got back, the psychic scars on Anika had already manifested. And the girl she is today is as affected by her marriage as that frightened sister was when she sat for the pheras. All the blush lessons and NDE and soul connections in the world has not erased HOW she ended up here, in this house. With this man.

As painful as the wedding week was, it was dramatic brilliance. Angst was at the peak, performances were stupendous. Darn effective storytelling, they only break out this relentless drama on special occasions. GK did warn beforehand, "You never want to see the bad side of SSO."

I enjoyed it. But I couldn't watch it again till yesterday😆.. But second time around I was able to appreciate the sheer brilliance of Nakuul and Surbhi, they were really top notch. Give them all the awards please.

I want to speak as a married woman, for one second, if you will let me. Because each of us who went through the ceremonies, the adjustment, the in laws and the new relationships know this. We know that HOW we enter our in law's house affects how we are treated there. Izzat, pyaar, intezar. If you are brought in by your husband with those in his heart, you have the right to expect those to be given to you by not just him, but his family, too. And not just to you. To your family too. No matter how good people are, they will treat you in your sasural according to the guidelines set when you enter it. And that will not change materially, no matter how many years you are married, no matter what punya you earn, or what good deeds you do in your new home.

This is so true, Navin. How your husband treats you in the sasural is the template in which the others on the fence follow. OmRu are exempt, because they have always liked Annika and the effect she has on stoic Shivaay. In fact, they exposed their own brother's crimes against her, great points for loyalty.

People wanted her to shut up and not butt in into Rudra's marriage matters, but to her he is as precious as Sahil. Rudra is selfless and innocent, she rises to protect. I find it really touching, for her to risk insults for him. He appreciated it too. I find these 2 as loving as Sahil and her. Beautiful bonding.

The Anika the OM people met first was a woman they respected. This is true, go back, and rewatch the scenes. She was someone with a voice, who spoke up against what she saw as wrong. Who took a stand, and had her spine intact, and was respected for being herself. While NKK for SSO is a big deal it is not the same for the others. They loved her, and were a little in awe of her, for who she was, and how she stood upto the man they all feared, just a little. But that girl got left behind, on an empty field, when she got blackmailed to giving into becoming their new toy.

It was amazing that they all could accept that she was dueling with Shivaay often and winning often. Many family members actually were surprised when he ignored his feelings for her and got ready to marry Tia anyway.

Except Pinky. She was most confident in Shivaay's NKK hangups, which is why she keeps ranting about how he has changed so much at present. It feels like as though, she had to adapt to a snobby son and change her sensibilities.

I would say her NKK issues are a crutch, a convenient attack point for Pinky, who must know the hypocrisy of her saying any of this, at least. One line from Shakti will bring her crashing down to earth, even Shivaay doesn't have to do this, his father can. She is hardly one to talk, and surely she knows this as well as her audience in that house. These taunts she makes are, for me, not worth the outrage they get. Because the truth is, it is Shivaay, (and how married her) who is the real reason why Anika will not be accepted by Pinky or Tej. She has a weakness, sure, and this is one which will be used to humiliate her for another 200 episodes. This is normal. Note that even Sahil does not get a pass here--if she is vulnerable, so is he. And she cannot protect him anymore than herself, right now.

So true. It that house, she is defenseless without Shivaay. He turns his back and she'll be kicked out. Shivaay is doing her a great disrespect by not acknowledging her as his wife.

I just hope that when it comes, her shouts it out from rooftops way up high, and she can hear him, wherever she is.

But my point is her background is not the REASON she is being humiliated, its not the reason she is vulnerable. The way Shivaay married her, her being in OM without even a Biwi title, the pending divorce she doesn't even know is a sham, the silence (or quick topic change), he greets her humiliations with --those are why she is being torn apart internally. Even Dadi gets to play with the vulnerable Anika doll, and make herself important by choosing to support, or stay silent. Where will this newly vulnerable Anika go? Physically, he has robbed her of her home, of her way out. Emotionally, he has stolen her heart. Psychologically, she is terrified of losing him, she responds to his needs before she draws breath. Financially, he has crippled her in debt. Where will we (or she) find the old Anika? How will she come back?

He has gotten somewhat addicted to her presence, like an obsession. She is the support when no one else believed him. The motivation when nothing seems to be going well. A comrade to fight battles with. And a private beautiful girl to flirt and tease, which he seems to enjoy considerably. I agree he does not need to tell anybody but Annika how he feels about her.

But he must acknowledge her as his wife in front of all. Mandatory.

OmRu, the conscience of the story, are the only ones who saw, and acted and protested the monstrous unfairness of all this. I think they do it even now, even after Shivaay has changed from the monster who dragged his prize home. I think its telling that even Om, who called her Anika casually only weeks ago now ONLY refers to her by her title. It sounded odd, since he waited until after marriage, and they have that an actual scene where he changes from name to title deliberately, and I think it was meant to strike us. He has elevated her, when Shivaay cannot. Rudra goes one step further-- he makes sure even Soumya acknowledges her as Bhabi, not Didi. OmRu assert her status, every chance they get. These two know the value of titles, and bestow hers on her again and again, to her face.

But neither Anika, nor OmRu can undo what Shivaay has done. And until he acknowledges NOT that he loves her (which is his private business), but that she is his wife (which is his public duty), he cannot protect her. And all the "main sab think kardungas" in the world will not change the damage of how he brought her here. None of his private affection and need for her will undo the psychic hurt that has her crumpling from the hatred she would have stormed and revolted against a month ago.

When he put the mangalsutra on her, he tied her to himself like a lamb chained to the slaughterhouse. She can no more remove the yoke around her neck than a lamb can, right now. She was bound by her faith in marriage, and is now bound by the needs of her husband. But he has not acknowledged her need as his wife, her right to his respect or acquiring his name as her protection. And he wont. he doesn't need to, and in her bitter despair, she has decided--she cannot ask for her right, or demand her title.

I feel scared. I feel a sense of forboding that makes me tense, makes me ignore the dramatic family crap and focus on the broken, hurting woman who is struggling with a man she cannot have and cannot leave. That other shoe? The unfinished business that all this portends? That will drop. Hold onto your heart, my love, and be very wary for the next 200 episodes.


Khidkitod comment Navin! Missed you my friend!🤗
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Yes, she is interfering, but no one else is taking a stand for this kid who is trying on his big brother's shoes to take one for the team.
Annika is stuck in that house because Shivaay is not letting her go.He is just only starting to warm up to it, finding himself deeply attached to her NOW.

SO much has been said to her and done. Everybody has a breaking or melting point.

Dii, yet again ur words melted my heart.❤️
Yes. Everyone does have a melting point.

But this girl, she is different.
She breaks internally thats the sad part. When she breaks she makes sure she is alone.
But I believe she is Destiny's Child.
Destiny is training her.
When she will be at the breaking point, Destiny will take care, Destiny will change the situation before she breaks COMPLETELY.
Yes.She is already scarred.But won't break. Not as bad as Shivaay at least.
Shivaay is going to break worse and a new Shivaay from the remains(the things that he learnt) a new version of him will be out!
As they say,
A new beginning comes after destruction of the old.
The new chapter starts after completion of old.

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Originally posted by: annikaa

Yes, she is interfering, but no one else is taking a stand for this kid who is trying on his big brother's shoes to take one for the team.
Annika is stuck in that house because Shivaay is not letting her go.He is just only starting to warm up to it, finding himself deeply attached to her NOW.

SO much has been said to her and done. Everybody has a breaking or melting point.

Dii, yet again ur words melted my heart.❤️
Yes. Everyone does have a melting point.

But this girl, she is different.
She breaks internally thats the sad part. When she breaks she makes sure she is alone.
But I believe she is Destiny's Child.
Destiny is training her.
When she will be at the breaking point, Destiny will take care, Destiny will change the situation before she breaks COMPLETELY.
Yes.She is already scarred.But won't break. Not as bad as Shivaay at least.
Shivaay is going to break worse and a new Shivaay from the remains(the things that he learnt) a new version of him will be out!
As they say,
A new beginning comes after destruction of the old.
The new chapter starts after completion of old.


Well said ! 👏

Some people are more sorely tested in life's journey. And they persevere and fight through the odds and emerge strong. Annika is like that.

But it's so sad that she has to fight for everything all the time.

Shivaay gets a loyal partner, a support pillar. Whatever he does, she either supports or argues to make him see another perspective. She balances him, calms him. That's why he needs her. The world might be burning, but if she's there, he feels he can handle even that.

Look at how he had to fight for Rudra today. Standing between Tej and his youngest son, acting like a father himself. Everyone should have a big brother like this.

This memory loss track (IF it happens😆) is going to kill all of us. I still have scars from QH. Hence my PTSD about memory loss.

Shivaay is strong, when he is sure he wants her, he will fight the whole world and even Annika herself to get her back.

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