I need some clarification of LAW

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I haven't watched the episode yet ,my this post is based on the comments I read here .i am not an Indian so I don't have much knowledge about Indian law but I am really disturbed reading some comments here people calling Suman illegal wife of Ramakant and Ravish and aditi are illegitimate children It disgusted me too how insensitively people are calling Ravish illegitimate NAJAYZ KHOON How insensitively they are using this abusive word It's a shame seriously I don't think anyone deserved to be called this coz no one is NAJAYAZ . Every child is born pure and innocent so this JAYAZ and NAJAYAZ classification is really really cheap and before Atharva fans jump on me I never called Atharva NAJAYAZ and fully sympathized with him when he was called by society even though i am no fan of his I hated those people who called him NAJAYAZ , same way i am disgusted seeing some people supporting sujata and are saying what wrong she said about Ravish being NAJAYAZ KHOON She spoke truth. Very 👎🏼

I need some clearance of law in reality on this How real Indian Hindu law handles this sujata suman's case

I read here sujata claimed today she is first wife of Ramakant which makes her the legal wife and her son Atharva is legitimate elder of son of Ramakant She called today suman is Illegitimate wife of ramakant and her children are also illegitimate

Lets see this case

Sujata and Ramakant had a secret marriage in some temple There is no legal record of their marriage , no witness If the marriage had legal record Ramakant could not commit Bigamy He had to divorce sujata to marry suman but here they didn't The society and law has no idea sujata is ramakant vashist's wife They only know suman is Ramakant's wife

Sujata gave permission to Ramakant to marry suman . Sujata was not cheated by Ramakant instead she herself allowed him but suman is cheated by Ramakant because she did not know Ramakant has married sujata before her .Ramakant married suman in front of society , the marriage is legally registered . Ramakant accepted suman in front of everyone she is his wife , same he never did with sujata. Sujata and Ramakant parted ways with mutual consent after suman's miscarriage where sujata asked ramakant to stay with suman only . Here too she is not cheated and dumped by Ramakant It was her own decision . Ramakant cannot be held culprit of cheating sujata because they made all choices together but yes suman has been cheated here

Now almost after 28 years ( that's what Atharva's age is I suppose ?) this woman is coming forward she is Ramakant Vashist first wife Does this mean law will nullify suman ramakant's marriage and call it illegal Just because suddenly a woman came forward she had a secret marriage with Ramakant ? What about suman ?How law protects this woman rights ? This woman whom Ramakant married in front of the society and said she is his wife , made her pregnant thrice and is the father of two young children with her ?Just because sujata now claims she is first wife of ramakant Suman gets the punishment for it ?


Here on forum I have also read someone claiming she has no right on Ramakant's property too Really ? Is that how Indian law is ?No I am not insulting Indian law because I have deep respect for Indians and their society , their culture thats why i am watching an Indian show but I want to know is it true Just because now sujata claims her rights as first wife , suman has no right? She becomes an illegitimate wife , even her children are tagged as illegitimate ?

My knowledge about which children are called illegitimate in India are those who are born without marriage, children whose fathers are unknown The society calls them illegitimate Atharva was called one because no body knew about his mother's husband , his father Even he is not illegitimate Ramakant did marry sujata be it secretly but coming to Ravish His father married his mother ,consummated his marriage , called Ravish his son in front of people , Ravish and aditi's are legally registered as Ramakant's children Just because sujata ji now claims she is first wife of ramakant Does that mean law and society will consider Ravish illegitimate ?Really is that how it is ? If it is then its very wrong and unfair

Ramakant made no legal will of his where he divided his property share He only requested to Ravish to get sujata and atharva their rights No where he himself said sujata and atharva have more rights than suman and her children on him The house is of senior most Vashist Dada ji Sujata cannot force claim on it ? Can she? If Dada ji wants he can give his house to Suman What will sujata do then ? Can she make a force claim I have right too in this house ?

Some one please clear me on this

Priya if you read this then please ?

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Posted: 9 years ago
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this topic was already discussed in a post
anyways as u dont know abt indian law u can search on net to knw inf reg it
at those old times ppl used to not register there marriages
marriages used to be done in home or temple
acc to indian law those marriages are legal if not half of the old marriages should be called illegal
supreme court has announced all the marriages after 1980 should be registered to be termed as legal
so all the marriages done before 1980s are legal even if not registered
what do u mean by parting ways so if a man comes and says im marrying other women is it called divorce
he didnt divorce sujatha at all just by saying a word im marrying other women doesnt make it a divorce
who told there where no witness to there marriage he married her infront of her parents who are dead so it makes the marriage illegal
what nonsense
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Validity of temple marriages
It is valid


- A marriage which involves Saptapadi is valid. The temples keep record of marriages. It's a legit proof .

Regarding legality of second wife and consent of the first wife.

Read this



Second marriage without divorce is illegal. Consent of the 1st wife doesn't matter.

And if you read all the responses in the two links provided, you will realize that a temple marriage even without registration is perfectly valid and a second marriage without divorce is illegal.

If you read the answers in the links, you'll see that the queries have been answered by LAWYERS , not normal citizens.

Now whether it is fair or not? For the first wife it is fair, for the second wife , it is unfair if the second wife is innocent. But that is how the law currently is.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: muktha_cute

this topic was already discussed in a post
anyways as u dont know abt indian law u can search on net to knw inf reg it
at those old times ppl used to not register there marriages
marriages used to be done in home or temple
acc to indian law those marriages are legal if not half of the old marriages should be called illegal
supreme court has announced all the marriages after 1980 should be registered to be termed as legal
so all the marriages done before 1980s are legal even if not registered
what do u mean by parting ways so if a man comes and says im marrying other women is it called divorce
he didnt divorce sujatha at all just by saying a word im marrying other women doesnt make it a divorce
who told there where no witness to there marriage he married her infront of her parents who are dead so it makes the marriage illegal
what nonsense


Just a correction, registration of marriages has been made compulsory recently. It is always a safe route to register your marriage for visa/immigration purposes but even if a marriage isn't legally registered, it is perfectly valid if all the marriage rituals have taken place by a valid priest, and most importantly SAPTAPADI should be involved. Registration of marriage is just a handy proof which is very helpful. It is not a requirement for validity. My parents were married in the year 1990, their marriage wasn't registered but it is perfectly legal because the marriage involved saptapadi. Proofs like pictures, bank accounts, temple records etc also count..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Btw if u feel disgusted at ravish being called illegitimate.. same can be applied to atharv too right..?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Ravish is illegitimate though? What's wrong in saying the truth? It's a fact which has been revealed today in the show. Sujata kept quite all these years because she didn't want to hurt Suman , she spoke today because Suman crossed all her limits. Sujata just gave her a reality check which was much needed.
And as for illegitimate children, don't worry..Ravish will be entitled to RK's property because in India illegitimate kids also get share in property...but yes Suman cannot claim her rights as a wife because Suji is the legally wedded first wife of RK...RK the idiot committed bigamy and got away from punishment by dying...that's why he is a sore loser...who didn't have the guts to reveal that he was already a married man..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: -poloenigma-

Ravish is illegitimate though? What's wrong in saying the truth? It's a fact which has been revealed today in the show. Sujata kept quite all these years because she didn't want to hurt Suman , she spoke today because Suman crossed all her limits. Sujata just gave her a reality check which was much needed.

And as for illegitimate children, don't worry..Ravish will be entitled to RK's property because in India illegitimate kids also get share in property...but yes Suman cannot claim her rights as a wife because Suji is the legally wedded first wife of RK...RK the idiot committed bigamy and got away from punishment by dying...that's why he is a sore loser...who didn't have the guts to reveal that he was already a married man..

Thats what when people wer calling athrv illegitimate some people wer ok with it. And now when truth is out n we sya ravishh is illegitimate it suddey becomes disgusting..
I really dont understand this..😕
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: anu023

Thats what when people wer calling athrv illegitimate some people wer ok with it. And now when truth is out n we sya ravishh is illegitimate it suddey becomes disgusting..
I really dont understand this..😕


It's called double standards 😆😆

Anyways I'm glad that Atharv is the legitimate heir and Suji is the legal wife. Finally CVs cleared our doubts!!

Now it will be interesting to see how Suman the idiot reacts to the truth.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: -poloenigma-


Just a correction, registration of marriages has been made compulsory recently. It is always a safe route to register your marriage for visa/immigration purposes but even if a marriage isn't legally registered, it is perfectly valid if all the marriage rituals have taken place by a valid priest, and most importantly SAPTAPADI should be involved. Registration of marriage is just a handy proof which is very helpful. It is not a requirement for validity. My parents were married in the year 1990, their marriage wasn't registered but it is perfectly legal because the marriage involved saptapadi. Proofs like pictures, bank accounts, temple records etc also count..



i understand what ur saying
even my parents got married in home and are not registered
i dont think its possible for all the old marriages to get registered now and there is no need for it
but as per the bill passed in 2013 it is compulsory to register the new marriages not the older generation ones
i have read abt this long back in a newspaper
http://mymarriagewebsite.com/documents-and-process-for-marriage-registration-in-india/
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Posted: 9 years ago
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btwn who confirmed u that ramakant n sujata didnt register their marriage???
KK calling Atharv illegtimate from day one is ofcourse a symbolism that atharv is not illegtimate but the man whom he got his daughter married is illegtimate...

comeon am waiting for KK's reaction for this truth

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