The war and its aftermath

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Wars are cruel and take a toll on everyone

The person who wins gets all and one who loses is destroyed

But the warrior dies on the field and his family gets victimized by the conqueror or winner

And in wars its woman who pay the biggest prize for being on losing side

Suryagupta was killed by Nand by kapat but who bared the brunt of his death it was Mura. Yes Chaya and Chandra too were affected but not as much as Mura. Mura was all alone in the enemy's den bearing his lust filled eyes, getting whipped for speaking her mind and getting abused by the conquerors family.

Now the situation is reversed. Nand has lost and should have been dead(but thanks to CVs is alive). And who is bearing burnt ideally it should have been Avantika his wife but no CVs found a new target Nnadini, Nands daughter. I did not understand why Helena put Nnadini in open jail and others in house arrest in a room? What great crime had Nnadini done in war? Hardly anything other than speaking against Chandra gupta in first day of war. But that is Chandras prerogative, neither he nor Chankya ordered them to jail or house arrest.

Helena had no rights to give orders. When Mura releases her most definetly because Chankya spoke to Mura and said he wants Chandra Nandini's marriage Helena goes and fights with Mura. Just wait till Chandra gets an idea of Helena speaking rudely to Chandra and she will be in big trouble. Helena mom is right in that way to not support Nandini marriage to Chandra.

The next issue is with Chandra, he has just won a war and its first night in magadh palace. Ok in new place no one gets sleep that too after a war. But Chandra goes to open jail at night as he is tensed and sees Nnadini crying. If he was so concerned he could order Nandini to be sent to her family in house arrest. What is this drama of giving water? Why those tears seeing her? Did it remind him of Mura shackled in chain for 20 years a few hours back? May be, but i do not think any man who has just won a tough war will behave as emotional for an enemy's daughter.

Instead i would appreciate if a sensitive chandra went to muras room and saw whether she was fine whether she slept or needed anything. Because 20 years she has been chained like a dog to a pillar.

I would appreciate if Chandra went to his sister chaya room and sat and spoke to her of how she lived 20 years surviving nands soldiers in fear and thinking Mura and he had been killed?

Instead the CVs make Chandra go to nandini and shed tears for her in first day.

No wonder they say a son is a son till he has a wife(or lover) and a daughter is daughter for life.

I would even feel fine if Chandra walked to his foster parents and checked what they did without him all these years or Chankya and discuss what to do in future?

By saying so let me clarify i have no hatred of nandini, i am just thinking this is not how a normal human behaves the way chandra did on first night at pataliputra

If you are so good than how come you brutally kill her brothers and father in front of her eyes?

Next i come to nandini- she just saw her brothers and father butchered by Chandra and what she does falls at his feet and asks for death. Ok as a young 17-18 year old this is fine reaction.

But it should be opposite, i would like Nandini had grabbed his collar and told him that kill me now because if you le me alive you will regret for i am going to kill you for destroying my family Chandra(aka Sunny deol style). Than i would say warrior Nandini is exist. What is this grovelling like a puppy in front of the new emperor who murdered your family?



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Posted: 8 years ago
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True prem but chandra is young and he didnt go out to her on purpose and if you remember he did not say about mura but his foster mother hes hiding his feeling but deep down hes very kind hearted just like his mother some people are just like that no matter what people do to them they wont do it in return
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Your points are actually bang on 👍🏼...
What to do, in serial all this has no value...

In serial all other character are like dummy piece, only chandra nandhini matters to the makers... Look at hoe they butchered Chanakya, Chandra & Nandhini to an extent just to show the marriage ... and for one second I thought the show is ending with Nandhini Cyring, Chandra felt the pain n offering water for her... worse is that Nandhini begging... I was wondering whats going on... 😆...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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As for Chandra's first night records till now we should have understood that he doesn't know wat to do in first nights whether it is with Helena or Durdara or magadh. With Helena he was making war strategy, skipping with Durdara and night walk in magadh😆😆bechara his acharya should have taught him how to behave in first nights😆😉
He went to nandhini because he heard someone crying and he became emotional because he know how strong nandhini is, she is the one who followed her father till his death without caring for her life unlike her brothers. Seeing such persons break down is not easy to handle.
If u were nandhini wat would u do??? Her world crashed in front of her eyes, she lost everything in a day so wat we can expect anything from her than a break down and she is not mura who lived a life with reality but nandhini who lived in her father's paradise which was destroyed before her. Soon she will recover from her lost
I am glad she didn't say Chandra " mera pita maharaj ki booth ayaga aur tera khoon peeyega"
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: abiariel

As for Chandra's first night records till now we should have understood that he doesn't know wat to do in first nights whether it is with Helena or Durdara or magadh. With Helena he was making war strategy, skipping with Durdara and night walk in magadh😆😆bechara his acharya should have taught him how to behave in first nights😆😉

He went to nandhini because he heard someone crying and he became emotional because he know how strong nandhini is, she is the one who followed her father till his death without caring for her life unlike her brothers. Seeing such persons break down is not easy to handle.
If u were nandhini wat would u do??? Her world crashed in front of her eyes, she lost everything in a day so wat we can expect anything from her than a break down and she is not mura who lived a life with reality but nandhini who lived in her father's paradise which was destroyed before her. Soon she will recover from her lost
I am glad she didn't say Chandra " mera pita maharaj ki booth ayaga aur tera khoon peeyega"



Actually Mura was born a princess and married as Queen so how is her life different from Nnadini except Mura does not blind worship her father

And Mura must have been 5 years elder than nandini is now when her husband was killed and she was imprisoned (she had a 5 year old daughter)

Ineed Nandini has learnt warfare unluike Mura so should be more strong. I am not saying do not cry and mourn but begging for death etc where is that anger hatred etc shown in promos

Suddenly she says you are greatest emperor you can do anything kill me

Chandra has to have a brother or friend to guide him on woman matters because chankya somehow fails to guide him on those matters

Or may be Mura or his foster dad can tell him about marriage etc a pep talk may be

I think Mura may talk to him about marriage and love after sometime


Edited by myviewprem - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I agree with all points. It was really very boring episode.. Didn't expect that he will go to her and offered him water. Isn't he the same chandra who was smiling when she was crying over her 7 brothers dead bodies?
Is she the same nandini who said, " purusharth nahi h tumme. kayar ho tum?" and now she's saying "Tum to bahut bade samrat ho na.."

This thing really exasperated me. Why they have to show nandini's character like this?? and chandra crying is So dhur took the place of salima begum from this Episode only and helena of ruks.. mahamanga's place was vacant so they introduced helena's mother.

Even the dialogues were quite similar. God!🥱

From which angle she was looking like a foreigner?? Her hindi was perfect. Forget hindi, they use urdu words too.😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

Wars are cruel and take a toll on everyone


The person who wins gets all and one who loses is destroyed

But the warrior dies on the field and his family gets victimized by the conqueror or winner

And in wars its woman who pay the biggest prize for being on losing side

Suryagupta was killed by Nand by kapat but who bared the brunt of his death it was Mura. Yes Chaya and Chandra too were affected but not as much as Mura. Mura was all alone in the enemy's den bearing his lust filled eyes, getting whipped for speaking her mind and getting abused by the conquerors family.

Now the situation is reversed. Nand has lost and should have been dead(but thanks to CVs is alive). And who is bearing burnt ideally it should have been Avantika his wife but no CVs found a new target Nnadini, Nands daughter. I did not understand why Helena put Nnadini in open jail and others in house arrest in a room? What great crime had Nnadini done in war? Hardly anything other than speaking against Chandra gupta in first day of war. But that is Chandras prerogative, neither he nor Chankya ordered them to jail or house arrest.

Helena had no rights to give orders. When Mura releases her most definetly because Chankya spoke to Mura and said he wants Chandra Nandini's marriage Helena goes and fights with Mura. Just wait till Chandra gets an idea of Helena speaking rudely to Chandra and she will be in big trouble. Helena mom is right in that way to not support Nandini marriage to Chandra.

The next issue is with Chandra, he has just won a war and its first night in magadh palace. Ok in new place no one gets sleep that too after a war. But Chandra goes to open jail at night as he is tensed and sees Nnadini crying. If he was so concerned he could order Nandini to be sent to her family in house arrest. What is this drama of giving water? Why those tears seeing her? Did it remind him of Mura shackled in chain for 20 years a few hours back? May be, but i do not think any man who has just won a tough war will behave as emotional for an enemy's daughter.

Instead i would appreciate if a sensitive chandra went to muras room and saw whether she was fine whether she slept or needed anything. Because 20 years she has been chained like a dog to a pillar.

I would appreciate if Chandra went to his sister chaya room and sat and spoke to her of how she lived 20 years surviving nands soldiers in fear and thinking Mura and he had been killed?

Instead the CVs make Chandra go to nandini and shed tears for her in first day.

No wonder they say a son is a son till he has a wife(or lover) and a daughter is daughter for life.

I would even feel fine if Chandra walked to his foster parents and checked what they did without him all these years or Chankya and discuss what to do in future?

By saying so let me clarify i have no hatred of nandini, i am just thinking this is not how a normal human behaves the way chandra did on first night at pataliputra

If you are so good than how come you brutally kill her brothers and father in front of her eyes?

Next i come to nandini- she just saw her brothers and father butchered by Chandra and what she does falls at his feet and asks for death. Ok as a young 17-18 year old this is fine reaction.

But it should be opposite, i would like Nandini had grabbed his collar and told him that kill me now because if you le me alive you will regret for i am going to kill you for destroying my family Chandra(aka Sunny deol style). Than i would say warrior Nandini is exist. What is this grovelling like a puppy in front of the new emperor who murdered your family?



@bold- collor?...collar kahan thi ..😆..ohk soory , sorry ...agar rude laga hu to
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vese ek aur baat kehni thi...helena is the queen of magadh , so vo kuch bhi order de sakti hai ..haan bas Chandra ko problem nhi honi chahiye.😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sharmacatty

I agree with all points. It was really very boring episode.. Didn't expect that he will go to her and offered him water. Isn't he the same chandra who was smiling when she was crying over her 7 brothers dead bodies?

Is she the same nandini who said, " purusharth nahi h tumme. kayar ho tum?" and now she's saying "Tum to bahut bade samrat ho na.."

This thing really exasperated me. Why they have to show nandini's character like this?? and chandra crying is So dhur took the place of salima begum from this Episode only and helena of ruks.. mahamanga's place was vacant so they introduced helena's mother.

Even the dialogues were quite similar. God!🥱

From which angle she was looking like a foreigner?? Her hindi was perfect. Forget hindi, they use urdu words too.😆


@bold - I've been laughing at this aspect right from the beginning. The Greeks speak great Urdu and the Magadh + Patliputra people speak some form of Hindi. How is that possible when Urdu didn't even exist until the Mughals came? Also, Chanakya sometimes uses Urdu words, which is quite funny. I think the dialog writers need to be more consistent. There were slip ups in JA too, but at least most of the time the Mughals spoke Urdu and Rajvanshis spoke Hindi. LOL

And Helena speaks Urdu like an Arab or Pathan would, while her father and Alexander speak Hindi with an English accent! 😆 😆

Personally, I really hope Durdhara doesn't become a Salima Begum for 2 reasons. One, I love Salima and I don't think anyone can be like her or the actress that plays her. Two, Durdhara is much more fun and friendly with Chandra than Salima ever was, so I don't want her to become just a counsellor. Chandra needs her in order to remain grounded and to access that innocent part of himself which he never fully lived during his childhood.

As for Helena, I really hope the CVs are smart enough to always show her using her brain in the best way for politics and strategy and that she always has the fire we see now. She has too much dignity to indulge in kitchen politics and jealous behavior as Ruqaiyya did. I wouldn't want her character to be butchered. Maybe she will fall in love with Chandra, maybe not. But I hope she always has her Patrani status and is always loved and respected by Chandra as a friend and guide. Even though it was a marriage of convenience, we can't forget the fact that she is Chandra's first wife and has always been there for him since they got together. He, on the other hand, needs to do a better job of finding that loser Malayketu.

Deep down I am hoping we'll see a possessive side to Chandra in future when Malayketu is back in the picture and tries to win back Helena. It doesn't have to be romantic love (though that would be an awesome twist) or perhaps just the desire to see his friend and guide safe and happy, but only with him and not anyone else!

I don't want him to ever have to doubt her loyalty to him and the kingdom, but I'm looking forward to lots of clashes in ideology between her and Mura. I loved how calmly Mura spoke with her and I hope there will be lots of interesting scenes between the two most influential women in Chandra's life. I don't expect too much from this production house but if history tells us anything then Helena, alongside Chanakya, was the most important person in his life, especially in the later stages when he settled into the role of an Emperor. He married her later in life and it wasn't for political reason, but for love. I think the CVs really missed the boat on this one.

And yes, if this becomes another JA, I will stop watching!


Edited by inlieu - 8 years ago

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