Chandra Nandini 21-22: Plot on a gallop!

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Folks,

The title of this post was a no-brainer, for the only thing a trot - remember my last but one post, Plot on a trot? - can evolve into, if things move so fast, is a gallop.

The mandala maxim: For those getting ready to lament the ahistoricity of last night's goings on, as Chandra and Chanakya put into practice the Kautilyan maxim of the mandalas - shatru ka shatru mitra hota hai - form a coalition of the enemies of Magadha, and start picking off the smaller allies of Magadha one by one, my advice to them would be to chill. For, after allowing for the extra abbreviated shorthand method of proceeding so evident in this show, most of what was shown last night was pretty much what seems to have happened.

The 1990 Chanakya, which is the last word in authentic research on this subject for a TV show, which I am currently watching for the third time in 10 years, shows the whole coalition building process in much the same fashion. Of course, not being burdened with an amar prem gatha waiting impatiently in the wings,😉 the writer, Chandraprakash Dwivedi, who also played Chanakya, spread himself luxuriously, and footage be damned! There were endless meetings with representatives of the various janapadhas, republics and kingdoms, there was prolonged plotting to distance the subservient kings from their loyalty to the foreign rulers, there was a convoluted exercise to set the most powerful of the Uttarpada kings bar Magadha, Parvateshwar aka Porus of Kekeya, against Magadha by holding out the lure of the overlordship of the whole northern region. There was also a much greater degree of importance given to stirring up public hatred of the foreign rulers and those who kowtowed to them, like Ambhi of Takshashila, or would not fight them, like the Nands of Magadha. And all this moved very fast, over just 3-4 episodes, or 3 hours of screen time.

Chandra Nandini could not have afforded all this cerebral authenticity, which was accompanied by a total disregard for entertainment value and for the TRPs. So there is no point in asking for the moon! Besides, I doubt if even those clamouring for historical authenticity would have had the patience and the tenacity to last thru that Chanakya!😉

This said, the central, crucial role of Chandragupta, as a fierce, unbeatable warrior, and as a charismatic leader who could enthuse his followers to do or to die with him, was exactly the same in that 1990 saga as it is here. It was then, and is now, literally, a one man show, with the genius of Chanakya behind the scenes keeping his boy wonder going.

Reversed sequencing: Yes, the current sequencing is ulta, for here, the defeat of the Macedonians is now going to be shown much ahead of time, as a means, for our two Cs and their allies, of conquering Magadha.

But the latter was always the first goal of Chanakya. Both for personal reasons and, even more so, because the control of Magadha was essential for the formation of the united Akhanda Bharat Rashtra, which he saw as the only means of preserving the cultural and spiritual identity of Bharatvarsha, and protecting it from future foreign invasions.

Future because, historically, by this time, the Unani rule had been emasculated and in effect driven beyond the Indus, thru a combination of Chandragupta's military skills and talent for propaganda, and Chanakya's stratagems, with the full backing of all the gurukuls across Uttarapad, the whole northern swathe of the country. Here, the emasculation is shown as a result of the splitting of Alexander's empire and his army after his death.

This sequencing switch is clearly for reasons other than cerebral.😉 By the time Nandini comes along as the Third Wife, the CVs want Helena already installed in Chandragupta's anthahpura (happy, Sandhya?😉), radiating contentment at the fulfillment of the deepest desire of her heart, viz. to show Malayaketu where he got off by becoming the queen of Magadha, and to take revenge on Nandini as well by destroying her family.

Of course, Helena being Helena, things are unlikely to stop there, but I am pretty sure that even if she sets herself up as Guru No.2 for Chandragupta, she will not try to lord it over him. She will be, as she was in the Greek camp, his dependable, though very likely also demanding partner. And a strong and determined opponent with whom Nandini will eventually have to contend.

Now for the fun part of this unexpected plot development.

Matrimonial sequencing fiasco: I was halfway to ordering a laurel wreath by express delivery (small size, which could be paid for with Rs.100/- non-demonetised notes!) for Shailaja, under the mistaken impression that she had hit the jackpot on the matrimonial sequencing sweepstakes (please see my previous post). I of course had ended up flat on my face , as usual, 😉having placed Durdhara at No.1, Helena at No.2 and Nandini at the lucky No.3. But it seems that Shailaja was as much off the mark as I was, for she too had put Durdhara at No.1,and Nandini at No.2.

So there were no winners, and no need for any laurel wreath either. Good! Kam se kam kuch paise to bach gaye!

OK, now for the key sequences, in no particular order.

-Agony of failure: Chandra's gut wrenching misery at his defeat, and the waste of all his efforts of years, the hopes of his guru, and the sacrifices of his followers, comes thru fabulously. As he hacks away at the woodpile in an effort at catharsis, his hands bruised and bleeding with the brutal force he deploys, he like a man possessed. When he throws down the axe and, his whole face contorted with helpless misery and uncontrollable grief, cries aloud: Itna bada prayas, vijay ke itne nikat the, phir main haar kaise gaya??? , one's heart goes out to him in empathy.

Rajat's profile is at times even more eloquent than his front face shots.

Later, in a delicate, exquisitely conceived snippet, when he holds the water drop that has suddenly dropped on to his face and, looking up at the sky, wonders aloud: Kehte hain ki jab akaaran aakash se paani gire, to samjho koyi ro raha hai. Parantu is samay mujhse dukhi kaun hai? he seems suddenly like a boy, so very young and so very unhappy.


So deep is the trauma that has possessed Chandra that not even all the ringing exhortations of his guru about the need for a king to be sthitha pragya, even tempered at all times - labh mein, haani mein, jai mein, parajay mein, sukh mein, dukh mein - and to turn every defeat into a stepping stone for eventual victory - Apni haar ko haar nahin, hathyar samajho. Yoddha wo hai jo har haar se seekhta hai aur har seekh se jeet tha hai - seem to barely penetrate thru the all pervading gloom that surrounds him.

Not till Chanakya's last homily - not to let the pain of their defeat, and the wound that it has caused on Chandra's psyche, heal and be forgotten, kyonki yeh peedha hi tumhein antim vijay ke sukh tak le jaayegi - finally gets thru, and Chandra reacts with a ferocious oath never to let the wound of their loss and defeat fade away till he has conquered Magadha.

I agree with Devki that the significance of the use of the term for a wound here is not literal, but figurative.My initial take on this was wrong, and there is thus no need for us to worry about septicaemia, not to speak of streptococcus and staphylococcus getting at our poor, dear boy! 😆

Needless to say, I loved the brief but fierce set to between Chandra and the quartet of soldiers from Magadha, that ends in all four of them stretched out cold and dead on the forest floor. But Chandra's wound opens up again in a fierce, yet despairing declaration: Nand ke sipahi the. Maine sab ko mar diya. Wo jitne bhi bhejega, main sab ko mar daloonga!! It takes all of Chanakya's moral suasion to get Chandra to agree to their moving on, suitably disguised.

-Garam roti se seekh: I did not think much of Chandra's so-called disguise, which consisted of nothing more than a layer of tan. Chanakya was of course very well camouflaged. But that is not the point here. The point is the seekh our two Cs gain from the remarks of a simple village woman, who is teaching her son how to eat a hot roti without getting his fingers burnt.

Now there are many versions of this tale, which resembles other Eureka moment tales recounted about heroes in difficult situations. One has a plateful of hot rice, another, the one flagged by Sri, has a hot dosa. Perhaps the choice of item depends on the region where the tale was being recounted, the dosa version for the south, the rice version for the east, and the roti version for the north and west!

I was struck by two points in the Balaji version. One, the peasant woman goes into far too much of military detail about the campaign to capture Pataliputra, right down to the recent defeat having been due to Malayaketu attacking from the back, which, she stresses, could have been avoided by Chankya and Chandra moving to conquer the peripheral areas before attacking the centre. It was not at all convincing. The traditional versions of this story do not have any of these implausible frills.

Mutual respect; mutual dependence: Two, I was pleased that it was Chandra who cottoned on to the immediate relevance, for them, of the woman's criticism, and not Chanakya. Also that he was then able, after a kshama chahta hoon, Acharya, to state bluntly that Hamari yojana mein dosh tha.

I was even happier that Chanakya then had the candour and the grace to acknowledge his tactical error, concede that Yojana banana mein bhool ho gayi hai humse, and go on to stress the need for a new soch, which would change their fate. Adding, his eyes fixed on a still downcast Chandra's face with compelling conviction: Aur is nayi soch ke saath, bhavishya hamara hoga, Chandra!!

Slowly, very slowly, Chandra's chin comes down in assent. He is ready for the nayi soch.

What this passage makes clear is that they are not a puppet master and a puppet, our two Cs. They are a guru-shishya combine, in which each respects and needs the other. Chanakya does not feel in any way diminished by his having conceded his error of judgement, nor does he resent Chandra having pointed it out. It is a unique and wonderful bond that they share.

What follows was, as noted above, a speeded up version of the salami tactics depicted in the 1990 Chanakya. Chandra has now finally managed to put the trauma of defeat behind him as he vows to conquer Magadha: Is bar na koyi humein rok payega na hum kisi ko rokne ka avasar denge! But words are not the same as deeds, and it might not have been as easy as Chandra asserts it would be, but for Helena's sudden irruption on the scene.

A dream offer: More even than the crucial help she offers Chandra, the breathtaking self-centredness of the offer, and her blatant disloyalty towards her father and her fellow Macedonians, what is striking about Helena in this sequence is her ability to infuse self-confidence and a fresh determination in her Sandrocottos.

For even after all the improvements in their strategic situation of late, Chandra still does not seem confident of making it against Magadha with the forces now at their command, and this is reflected in the depressed tone in which he tells her about his failure in the battlefield.

Helena's reply could - in its force, its logic, its total conviction that if he followed her advice, he could and would win - have been a(n Persianised version of a) pep talk from Chanakya himself.

Haar jeet se kahin zyada zaroori hai hausla aur himmat.Mujhe lagta hai ki isi hausle ke saath tum Magadh ko jeet sakte ho...Isi kamzori (the lack of a large army) ko poora karne ke liye aayi hoon main..

Then the clincher: Meri baat maane bina tum sapne mein bhi Magadh ko nahin pa sakte! Hum donon ka raasta Magadh ho kar jaata hai.. Soch lo!

More even than Chandra, it is Chanakya - who is as clear-headed, as ruthless, and in his own way as self-centred as Helena - who sees the force of her arguments and the value of the vital help she offers. So he goes one further than even the lady, and presses Chandra to seal this deal for keeps by marrying Helena. Chandra seems less than eager to give this new balidaan, but does he have a choice?

The curious thing here is that Helena - who, in her readiness to betray her father and her countrymen to get her heart's desire, resembles no one so much as Medea, the fierce enchantress and queen of the Greek hero Jason, but for whose help he could never have secured the legendary Golden Fleece (if interested, see footnote at the end) - has no idea, as of now, of marrying Chandragupta. Though she might have come around to proposing it soon - for how else could she have become the queen of Magadha? - here it is shown, as it happened historically as well, to be Chanakya's idea. Poor Chandragupta was clearly barely consulted in either case!😉

Biwi No.1 : Of naapit Nand, that is. Sunanda - not so appropriately named, for there is nothing auspicious about her as the Su would indicate - resembles no one so much as the madam in a kotha, complete with the pan daan and the eternal pan chewing, the acid tongue and the casual arrogance of one used to handling gundas and putting them in their place. Anyone who has seen Mandi would immediately recall Shabana Azmi's masterly take on this character. Sunanda is no Shabana Azmi, and is far more negative, but she is quite acceptable.

As for putting a gunda in his place, she, to my great delight, does precisely that to Padmanand, whom she apostrophises constantly as naapit. She also mocks his inability to dispose of her, thanks to some secret she has that he apparently needs desperately to know. So she brandishes this trump card in front of him, like a carrot in front of a recalcitrant donkey, but just out of his reach, to make him trot. 😆

It must be something very serious even for such a confirmed criminal as Padmanand, to make him, after some vain blustering each time, fall in line with her advice. She is also, one has to concede, very clever and persuasive in getting him to accept her point of view, much more so than the cowed down Avantika.

The hapless putri: As daddy dearest's feet of clay begin to show, poor Nandini is driven to unaccustomed tears. And helpless rage at the lascivious Malayaketu, who is clearly hellbent on humbling her in every way possible.

I am waiting to see what she does to save that unfortunate daasi from his clutches. Probably hold a knife to his throat!

Her duel with him was much better then I had expected, despite the ridiculous Christmas tree get up she sported for fencing practice.And if some of those ghastly corkscrew curls had been chopped off in the fighting, why, she would have only looked better!😉

Startling innovation: I must, at this point, flag a major change introduced last night by the CVs.

Now, it is the standard practice for the RK Films logo stance (RK standing for Raj Kapoor) to be used for a pair of would be lovers: the girl bent as far back as can be managed over the man's arm, and staying that way for a loo...oong moment, their eyes locked in a presumedly romantic gaze. In reality, the girl must be hoping he does not drop her suddenly, and the man must lamenting Kitni bhari hai! Ise dekh kar iski vazan ka andaaza hi nahin lagta!😆

Now for the revolutionary change I had noticed. This is the first time that I know of that the RK Films logo stunt has been used for the villain and the heroine!!

Pre-Mauryan bookbinders: For all those, including yours truly, who believed that the pothis of this era were all palm leaf manuscripts, there was news last night. It was shown that proper bookbinding, in what looked like leather, was already available in the 4th century, for the book that Nandini was reading, and Malayaketu tosses away vindictively, could compare favourably with medieval specimens of the bookbinder's art that appeared over 1800 years later! I am rushing to inform the Historical Society of India and the National Museum in New Delhi about this momentous discovery!

OK, folks, this is it for today. Please do not forget to hit the Like button if you think that is warranted.

This post has already taken a lot out of my fingers, but I will try and respond in brief tonight to the comments on my last thread.

See you on Saturday next. Au revoir till then!

Shyamala/Aunty/Akka/Di

PS:All the photos used to illustrate this post are courtesy my dearest Anjali. Thanks a ton, child, but I need more!

NB: Medea: She was an enchantress, the daughter of the King of Colchis in modern day Georgia. Colchis was the home of the legendary Golden Fleece.

Medea's role in helping Jason get the Golden Fleece began after he came to Colchis, to claim his inheritance and throne by retrieving the legendary prize. Medea fell in love with him and promised to help him, but only on the condition that if he succeeded, he would take her with him and marry her. Jason agreed.

Medea's father, King Aetes of Colchis, promised to give Jason the fleece, but only if he could perform certain tasks. First, Jason had to plough a field with fire-breathing oxen that he had to yoke himself. Medea gave him a magic ointment with which to anoint himself and his weapons, to protect him from the bulls' fiery breath. Next, Jason had to sow the teeth of a dragon in the ploughed field. The teeth sprouted into an army of warriors. Jason was forewarned by Medea, however, and threw a rock into the crowd. Unable to determine where the rock had come from, the soldiers attacked and killed each other. Finally, Aetes made Jason fight and kill the sleepless dragon that guarded the fleece. Medea put the beast to sleep with her narcotic herbs. Jason then took the fleece and sailed away with Medea, as he had promised.

The rest of the story, after the love story of Medea and Jason sours, is best left alone! One devoutly hopes that Helena does not do a full scale Medea on Chandragupta!


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi Aunt,
First of all I'm sorry for galloping away after hitting a like but I was unable to control myself when I read the fabulous interpretation.
Here are my two cents!
The mandala maxim
Yeah a big thank you for realistic contrast between two soaps.
Ektas chandra Gupta as a fierce unbeatable warrior and a charismatic leader you just nailed it.
At present though I'm a die hard romantic but still I'm happy that his love takes back seat.

In today's episode I loved guru shishya bonding. Even Helena wasn't able to guess the curveball thrown to her which she grabbed at earliest.
Aunt here we are getting two father daughter relationship
Selucus and Helena and nandini and nand.
In one a principled father is not pampering his daughters blind self centered ambition yet cares about her before noddingto the Alliance.he consents only when Helena nods . while nandini blinded by her father love and when pita Maharaj alaap is at its climax and the bubble bursts.. Want to read your analysis on that..
Reversed sequencing
Hahaha Helena installed at antahpur BT style and yeah in the soap Helena is always doing moonwalks..
With ketu then to meet chandra... She has a GPS to locate chandras cot.. All her decisions are taken while moon walking or sleepwalking.
Another would be wife of chandra is a moon walker in disguise...sword fights and somersaults.
God save the King!
Anyways did you notice Helena says that her enemies are nandini and ketu. While chandra says his enemy is Nanda
Cha draw is against nanda not only for personal reasons but he is a symbol of decadent rule bharatvarsha is facing and chandra is against it. So here he has realised his priorities are different.
To quote hindis famous poet Nirala
Pashu nahi veer tum..
Samar_shoor kroor nahi
Kalchakra mey ho Dabey,
Aaj tum raaj kunwar. Samar sartaaj!
Pad-raj bhi hai nahi
Poora yah vishwa bhaar
Jaago phir ek baar.
The whole world is under your feet provided you awake. Agreed you're trapped in the cycle of time but you are not deceitful you're the king of the war of life. Awake and conquer it. I
I loved the water drop scene... Reminded me of lines

But when the melancholy fit shall fall
Sudden from heaven like a weeping cloud,
That fosters the droop-headed flowers all,
And hides the green hill in an April shroud;
Rajat looked straightway out from the world of Keats... Much archaic more Greek and the legend you quoted just made me remember these lines. The archetypal shade of the shots is doing much justice to rajats silhouettes.
Yeah Yeah the story telling woman sounded like a diplomat whi h was unrealistic
Maybe sunanda is the one to carry nandini out from her La La land
As regards snankaksha I'm okay with as many till they show my hottie there... 😉
PS the Dancers in today's episode were hilarious but thanks they didn't play the music and spared me
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Perfect title Aunty.😆 I hope they slow down a bit.😭
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Hello Aunty 😊
Very apt title and lovely post.

I happened to watch 1990s Chanakya recently, which was being rerun on DD, because I'd heard raving reviews about it and rightly so. It was a masterpiece, inspite of lack of glitz and glamour.

The village woman and her garam roti scene could have been limited to talks of roti only and the symbolism would have been understood by the guru-shishya duo...her detailing of military strategy was off character.

I'm liking Helena's character and also the actor playing her, she comes out smart, strong and assertive; AND she will be the FIRST wife of Chandra? Oookayyy😲
Or will Durdhara sneak in to be 1st in line?😉

But I feel Chandra is awed by Helena for her personality.😛

Although Nandini's eyes are very expressive, she's not using them to emote her varied state of emotions.

The relationship between Chandra and Chanakya is definitely NOT of a master and a puppet as you rightly pointed out, they are guru and shishya...while the shishya respects his guru, in turn Chanakya also has respect for Chandra, for he knows he's worthy of it and therefore will be the future Samrat. This relationship is very beautifully portrayed by the two actors in their body language and communication.

Lastly Sunanda's trump card better be heavy weight, for leashing Nanda is no mean feat.
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Dear Shyamala!
I'm glad once again to read your amazing essay!! 👏👏👏
The only amendment: Colchis (Kakheti) is not Greece - Georgia (Motherland)..😊

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Phew! Only 1 this time. Lascivious.
Anthapur is ok. But doesn't sound as exotic as harem na.😉
Just hoping that the Snankaksh in the Antapur is as exotic as the hamamkhana in the harem.🤣

Btw, the Magadh palace seems to have these water bodies every where. In the court, in Avantika's kaksh, Nandini's, everywhere. Won't they breed mosquitoes? 😲
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Originally posted by: sashashyam


The 1990 Chanakya, which is the last word in authentic research on this subject for a TV show, which I am currently watching for the third time in 10 years, shows the whole coalition building process in much the same fashion. Of course, not being burdened with an amar prem gatha waiting impatiently in the wings,😉

😆

the writer, Chandraprakash Dwivedi, who also played Chanakya, spread himself luxuriously, and footage be damned! There were endless meetings with representatives of the various janapadhas,republics and kingdoms, there was prolonged plotting to distance the subservient kings from their loyalty to the foreign rulers, there was a convoluted exercise to set the most powerful of the Uttarpada kings bar Magadha, Parvateshwar aka Porus of Kekeya, against Magadha by holding out the lure of the overlordship of the whole northern region. There was also a much greater degree of importance given to stirring up public hatred of the foreign rulers and those who kowtowed to them, like Ambhi of Takshashila, or would not fight them, like the Nands of Magadha. And all this moved very fast, over just 3-4 episodes, or 3 hours of screen time.


So the 3-4 minutes here is more than we can expect.

Chandra Nandini could not have afforded all this cerebral authenticity, which was accompanied by a total disregard for entertainment value and for the TRPs. So there is no point in asking for the moon! Besides, I doubt if even those clamouring for historical authenticity would have had the patience and the tenacity to last thru that Chanakya!😉

Pending list😔

1.Agatha Christie

2.The Lord of the Rings

3. 1990 Chanakya.

This said, the central, crucial role of Chandragupta, as a fierce, unbeatable warrior, and as a charismatic leader who could enthuse his followers to do or to die with him, was exactly the same in that 1990 saga as it is here. It was then, and is now, literally, a one man show, with the genius of Chanakya behind the scenes keeping his boy wonder going.

⭐️

Reversed sequencing: This sequencing switch is clearly for reasons other than cerebral.😉 By the time Nandini comes along as the Third Wife, the CVs want Helena already installed in Chandragupta's anthahpura (happy, Sandhya?😉), radiating contentment at the fulfillment of the deepest desire of her heart, viz. to show Malayaketu where he got off by becoming the queen of Magadha, and to take revenge on Nandini as well by destroying her family.

😛

Matrimonial sequencing fiasco: I was halfway to ordering a laurel wreath by express delivery (small size, which could be paid for with Rs.100/- non-demonetised notes!) for Shailaja, under the mistaken impression that she had hit the jackpot on the matrimonial sequencing sweepstakes (please see my previous post). I of course had ended up flat on my face , as usual, 😉having placed Durdhara at No.1, Helena at No.2 and Nandini at the lucky No.3. But it seems that Shailaja was as much off the mark as I was, for she too had put Durdhara at No.1,and Nandini at No.2.

So there were no winners, and no need for any laurel wreath either. Good! Kam se kam kuch paise to bach gaye!

The precious Rs.100!😆


But there were clues that Helena would be the first and Nandini the last. They themselves said so. That leaves only No.2 vacant for Durdhara. Also thisis the precise order in the tested and approved JA as well- Ruqaiya Salima and Jodha. Here too Helena will be determined and dominating and spiteful if things don't go her way, Durdhara simple ( inspite of her Patni Parameshwari expectations) and Nandini, the personification of everything good under the sky and Chandra's ONLY love interest and his GPS as well.

OK, now for the key sequences, in no particular order.

-Agony of failure: Chandra's gut wrenching misery at his defeat, and the waste of all his efforts of years, the hopes of his guru, and the sacrifices of his followers, comes thru fabulously. As he hacks away at the woodpile in an effort at catharsis, his hands bruised and bleeding with the brutal force he deploys, he like a man possessed. When he throws down the axe and, his whole face contorted with helpless misery and uncontrollable grief, cries aloud: Itna bada prayas, vijay ke itne nikat the, phir main haar kaise gaya??? , one's heart goes out to him in empathy.

Chanakya needed quite some time to calm him down. Just like he needed to be persuasive to get him out of the battlefield. This shows that Chandra is no Chitti Robot in Chanakya's hand, but has his own individuality, notwithstanding his deference to his teacher.👏

Rajat's profile is at times even more eloquent than his front face shots.

Later, in a delicate, exquisitely conceived snippet, when he holds the water drop that has suddenly dropped on to his face and, looking up at the sky, wonders aloud: Kehte hain ki jab akaaran aakash se paani gire, to samjho koyi ro raha hai. Parantu is samay mujhse dukhi kaun hai? he seems suddenly like a boy, so very young and so very unhappy.

His expressions mellowed down and made him look so vulnerable and boyish.



I agree with Devki that the significance of the use of the term for a wound here is not literal, but figurative.My initial take on this was wrong, and there is thus no need for us to worry about septicaemia, not to speak of streptococcus and staphylococcus getting at our poor, dear boy! 😆

🤣


-Garam roti se seekh: I did not think much of Chandra's so-called disguise, which consisted of nothing more than a layer of tan. Chanakya was of course very well camouflaged. But that is not the point here. The point is the seekh our two Cs gain from the remarks of a simple village woman, who is teaching her son how to eat a hot roti without getting his fingers burnt.

Now there are many versions of this tale, which resembles other Eureka moment tales recounted about heroes in difficult situations. One has a plateful of hot rice, another, the one flagged by Sri, has a hot dosa. Perhaps the choice of item depends on the region where the tale was being recounted, the dosa version for the south, the rice version for the east, and the roti version for the north and west!

The lady sounded more like the opposition party leader pinpointing the flaws in the Government's failed scheme with all details and statistics rather than a mother whose casual reference gave Chandra and Chanakya their Eureka moment.😡


Slowly, very slowly, Chandra's chin comes down in assent. He is ready for the nayi soch.

Sigh !😕

Then the clincher: Meri baat maane bina tum sapne mein bhi Magadh ko nahin pa sakte! Hum donon ka raasta Magadh ho kar jaata hai.. Soch lo!

More even than Chandra, it is Chanakya - who is as clear-headed, as ruthless, and in his own way as self-centred as Helena - who sees the force of her arguments and the value of the vital help she offers. So he goes one further than even the lady, and presses Chandra to seal this deal for keeps by marrying Helena. Chandra seems less than eager to give this new balidaan, but does he have a choice?

The curious thing here is that Helena - who, in her readiness to betray her father and her countrymen to get her heart's desire, resembles no one so much as Medea, the fierce enchantress and queen of the Greek hero Jason, but for whose help he could never have secured the legendary Golden Fleece (if interested, see footnote at the end) - has no idea, as of now, of marrying Chandragupta. Though she might have come around to proposing it soon - for how else could she have become the queen of Magadha? - here it is shown, as it happened historically as well, to be Chanakya's idea. Poor Chandragupta was clearly barely consulted in either case!😉

😆

Helena has not fallen in love with him as of now. But when she does and finds that he has fallen in love with the same person whom she wishes to revenge and joined hands with him for that sole purpose, how would she react? Poor Chandra may need to borrow HP's Invisibility cloak in his Antapur.😆

Biwi No.1 : Of naapit Nand, that is. Sunanda - not so appropriately named, for there is nothing auspicious about her as the Su would indicate - resembles no one so much as the madam in a kotha,complete with the pan daan and the eternal pan chewing, the acid tongue and the casual arrogance of one used to handling gundasand putting them in their place. Anyone who has seen Mandi would immediately recall Shabana Azmi's masterly take on this character. Sunanda is no Shabana Azmi, and is far more negative, but she is quite acceptable.

The raaz better be something that is good enough to make Padmanand tremble like this. I still cannot understand why Padmanand has kept her alive. Wouldn't her secret whatever it be,die with her as well.


Her duel with him was much better then I had expected, despite the ridiculous Christmas tree get up she sported for fencing practice.And if some of those ghastly corkscrew curls had been chopped off in the fighting, why, she would have only looked better!😉

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How long will Malayaketu and Co stay in Magadh? Perhaps till Nandini learns of every vice of his.

Rajat's expressions as Chanakya places his wedding proposal was excellent. Curiosity mixed with uncertainty. if her feelings of revenge was strong enough.

Nandini never saw any Daasi in tears outside her Pitamaharaaj's kaksh in all her years in the palace? No vessels clanging sound? No whispers and gossips? Strange.


Edited by Sandhya.A - 8 years ago
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A trot and and then, a gallop...

Originally posted by: sashashyam

The baptism by blood, and trial by fire, of Chandra, at the very beginning of his long, arduous, and dangerous journey from anonymity to the very pinnacle of power as Samrat Chandragupta Maurya.

Beautiful!

the truly beauteous Vaishali, the perky Durdhara.

We agree on one more point, Periyamma👍🏼

His shade, undoubtedly enthroned in the hall of heroes in Valhalla, would have been deeply dismayed, indeed furious, to see this pathetic account of his exit from India.

🤣 This was another strepsils moment for me!

The numbers deployed were substantial by TV standards, and the magic of television, which can make six look like a crowd, was exploited to the fullest. I have not seen Prithviraj Chauhan, but compared to similar scenes in Jodha Akbar and Maharana Pratap, this one was truly and unexpectedly impressive.

The battle scenes of PRC were better... because Sagars actually did use numbers (no camera tricks) and properly built massive sets... (not 2d cardboard cut outs & half-rooms)

But CN was better than Jodha Akbar... 😊


There was the feel of an actual battle in the air - the blood, the dust, the fear, the confusion, the panic, the anger, and the adrenaline rush that accompanies and energises the cut and thrust of the fighting.

You've become an action director in your writing! 👏

none of the action is marred by ludicrous bits of VFX. For one thing, Chandra does not jump seven feet in the air over the heads of his opponents! It is all good, solid, honest swordfighting, blade against blade, with skill alone deciding who would win.

Phew!

But in his black battle armour, his whole face keen and drawn, his eyes gleaming with anticipation, at times with teeth bared in a furious grimace or letting out a full throated roar, Chandra is like a cross between a Viking warrior and Kartikeya, the senapati of the gods.

Beautiful description of a warrior (Can I hazard a guess that you took slightly more time to write this para than you did others?) Adding to the effect was Saraswathi Periyamma's photo of a cross between a Viking warrior and Kartikeya.. 👏


like a wolf on the prowl, his face alight with the joy of going into battle at long last.

☺️

It is when the action starts that Chandra literally explodes across the screen, his arms moving like those of a windmill as they unleash a frenzy of powerful sword strokes. He literally scythes his way thru the enemy ranks, using first one , and then two swords, with his mount then mostly on autopilot.


blows from the flat of his blade,

Have never heard this terminology used before..👏

and I was only sorry, very sorry, that Chandra did not kill at least these two, instead of behaving like the Hindi film hero of old and leaving them to get up and walk off.😡

Nor could I understand why he decides to give Dhananand, who is by now lolling in the dust, another chance , and actually comes down from his horse to fight him.

I hope in the upcoming war sequence, Chandra doesn't commit such a folly

On a circular trajectory, from a crouching position that magnifies the power of the blow.

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Cut, thrust, parry, and cut again. The clang clang of the blades is like music, as Chandra literally dances around the horse like a dervish, his eyes gleaming with the anticipation of humbling Padmanand.

I think I read this para thrice



his Acharya literally drags him, and their remaining forces away from the battlefield. But not until the end of a furious argument that sees Chandra, for the first time ever, stand up to and oppose his guru's judgment.

For the fire of the battle is raging in his veins, and he is like a lion thwarted of his prey. There is no logic to such fury, and I was not surprised that not only does the red flag not work, but Chanakya, for all his hitherto iron control over his shishya, has to struggle desperately to get Chandra to obey him at long last.

Incredibly brave youngster on his first battle, with the adrenaline coursing thru his veins, its drumming in his blood deafening him to all else but the cut and thrust of his sword and the tantalizing prospect of victory.

This is what I wanted to add to (and reserved a spot in the previous thread but never got around to doing it)

If one has seen combat sports - especially the ones that require the most adrenaline pumping action (since adrenaline is not only the chemical that heightens our senses, it numbs both emotions and pain - allowing us to work like a machine!) - there will be many scenes that play in this fashion.

In sports like boxing, wrestling etc - which is quite personal - even after the referee has thumped his hand twice, thrice... the men continue sparring - they just cannot let go... and this despite the fact that they have been trained to let go... that they know if they continue holding on, they might get disqualified!

It's the spur-of-the-moment thing - and rage/ego overcomes a lot of our other emotions when we are in the moment.

For all of his other mistakes, in THIS scene, I liked his stance - in fact, if Chandra had walked off silently at this point, it would have seemed unnatural!

In due course, he will learn to swallow a bitter pill when necessary, but his core will always stay the same: a reckless, valiant, never say die warrior. He is the spearhead who will win battles for his guru,

👏 Core and the spearhead!

The buildup 1: The Introduction: I cannot top Lashy's eloquent description of the Chandra who is presented by Chanakya to the motley conglomeration of fighting men who constitute his army.

Oh thank you Periyamma!

Wonder of wonders, the ever obedient, vinamra shishya does not even turn to face his guru when Chanakya is telling him that the moment for which they had been waiting for years is here, the time for him to retie his shikha has come. He continues to stare straight ahead at the multitude facing him, as if his eyes were trying to weigh them in some inner balance of his, and make sure that they would not be found wanting.

The lines above and the picture below!

It was an extraordinary expression, and Rajat held it for a long, long moment as the camera zoomed in and his face morphed into the multitude.


The buildup 2: The night before the battle:This is one of the most striking guru shishyascenes shown thus far, especially because it marks the first time that Chandra questions his mentor's pronouncements, as also the first time that Chanakya's technique for handling his brahmastra seems less than perfect, in fact downright counterproductive.

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Kal kuch bhi ho sakta hai!

What a thing to tell a boy who is already tense about his own performance! No wonder then that Chandra, his eyes now full of dismay and almost angry, comes out with an anguished query: Acharya, kal yuddh hai, aur aap abhi yeh prashna mere samaksh rakh rahe hain??

I do not know how far Chanakya's 4 colour flag scheme reassured Chandra, but he looks for one long moment into his guru's eyes before his own drop. He does not look confident or convinced, but still doubtful. Maybe it was this that, over and above his innate reluctance to run away from the battle, makes Chandra jib so badly when Chanakya insists that they have to abandon the fight when Malayaketu appears, and beat a retreat.

Rajat was subtle and superb in his handling of this whole sequence. And this scene made one thing clear: Chanakya is not infallible, he is merely far, far wiser than the rest of mankind.

Very well said - I think it was to show that despite all of his confident exterior (according to this serial) this is the first battle for Chanakya too (as it is for Chandra) - and he has had his minuses - in handling his protegee as well as the battle plans. This was still an acid test for the duo - and they haven't emerged victorious though they have come back with more lessons and pointers, than the victors have!

The preparations: Rann neeti:

The sole compensation here is a very beautiful shot of Nandini at the end of the strategy session. She looks neither brash nor over confident, and her face is still and thoughtful.

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-Chandra's confusion:

But which peeche is he talking about, when the palace would be standing four square in the middle?

Periyamma 😆

Chanakya does not wave the red flag at once, nor does he send anyone down to get Chandra to retreat .

Instead, as soon as Nandini's stree sainik descend on the scene, he seems to have forgotten all about the vrushchika vyuh, and instead gets busy waving the green flag for Chandra to attack these pesky females without any hesitation. To the considerable relief of Chandra, who has been glaring helplessly at these pseudo-Amazons.😉

A little later, as Chandra is getting set to duel with Padmanand, Chanakya actually sends word hamare shesh sena ko aage badhane ka. The vrushchika vyuh has clearly been consigned to the dustbin. 😕

Everyone got confused - like a children's play - where the first act becomes second and third act is ditched for the fourth, because the organiser doesn't know how else to salvage the moment...

why does she waste so much time pontificating about Annapoorna and Durga and the like

Ekta Kapoor! 🤓

Nandini, Avantika and the rest chortling away on the balcony while the stree sena is being slaughtered below!

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The gherao obsession: Everyone on both sides seems curiously obsessed with the fear of being surrounded, or gheraoed by the enemy. Nandini talks of the enemy gheraoing their palace. Chandra's lieutenant informs him, in alarmed tones, that Nandini's ( 20 0dd!) stree sena ne hamari sena ko chaaron or se gher liya hai!?!

Finally, while Malayaketu is riding up to the battlefield from the right side, Chanakya frantically informs Chandra that, what else, usne hamari sena ko gher liya hai! One does not know whether to laugh or to weep in frustration.😆

In short, while the action director deserves a gold medal, the CVs should get a varsha of rotten tomatoes. 😡

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-The deafening silence of the praja of Magadha, which does not cheer at the announcement of Nandini's engagement. Their glum lack of reaction was very revealing, and the bunch on the balcony looked like the cast of a play with no one in the auditorium to watch them. 😉

Periyamma... because as someone else pointed out... it's most probably a single shot - where people have been asked to have 'mono-shaded' expressions so that that same shot can be used during joy, grief or worry!

- Shweta is reportedly planning to file a police complaint about her mislaid acting talent😉.

She only widens and closes her eyes... time and again!

-The easily assertive Durdhara - a very pleasant change from the Pataliputra variety of female - is a welcome addition to our boy wonder's future harem.

Future harem?


Matrimonial sequencing: One wild guess, just for our collective amusement.

I think Nandini will be the Third Wife, with Durdhara the first and Helena the second, and the history timeline be damned!

- The second best looker in the female contingent, after Avantika, that is, is Vaishali aka Chhaya. With her strong, well etched features and her porcelain complexion, she looks so lovely that she is a standing advert for the no silks and no jewellery look.

If you read my musings this is exactly what I said - she is a good actress too... why couldn't she be Nandini 😭 Why are the best lookers Chandra's mother-in-law and sister 😕

-The precap produces another mystery: that of Chandra's missing commonsense.😉 If he intends not to let that bleeding wound on his right, ie sword hand, heal till he has conquered Magadha, how on earth will he fight at all?

Yes... this one was of course only a dramatised version in the likes of 'I will not breathe till I secure my revenge'😆

The mandala maxim: most of what was shown last night was pretty much what seems to have happened.

Hmmm

The 1990 Chanakya, which is the last word in authentic research on this subject for a TV show, which I am currently watching for the third time in 10 years

Wow!

Chandraprakash Dwivedi, who also played Chanakya, spread himself luxuriously, and footage be damned!

😆 A bit like Farhan Akhtar today - I'll sing, I'll script-write, I'll act, I'll direct!

There were endless meetings with ...

From your write up, it's obvious amazing effort went into the authenticity 👏 But I agree with what you've stated below...

Still I think things taken a little slower will help us empathise with their struggles more... like 4-5 episodes instead of 2-3... Imagine if RT wasn't the one carrying Chandra on his shoulders, would we be able to be in awe of the CC duo's achievements as much as we are now?

I doubt if even those clamouring for historical authenticity would have had the patience and the tenacity to last thru that Chanakya!😉

Reversed sequencing: Yes, the current sequencing is ulta, for here, the defeat of the Macedonians is now going to be shown much ahead of time, as a means, for our two Cs and their allies, of conquering Magadha.

But the latter was always the first goal of Chanakya. Both for personal reasons and, even more so, because the control of Magadha was essential for the formation of the united Akhanda Bharat Rashtra, which he saw as the only means of preserving the cultural and spiritual identity of Bharatvarsha, and protecting it from future foreign invasions.

This sequencing switch is clearly for reasons other than cerebral.😉 By the time Nandini comes along as the Third Wife, the CVs want Helena already installed in Chandragupta's anthahpura (happy, Sandhya?😉),

Loool... this is the only reason it's been switched around!

Of course, Helena being Helena, things are unlikely to stop there, but I am pretty sure that even if she sets herself up as Guru No.2 for Chandragupta, she will not try to lord it over him. She will be, as she was in the Greek camp, his dependable, though very likely also demanding partner. And a strong and determined opponent with whom Nandini will eventually have to contend.

I do think she is quite dominating... and in future, she will start trying to exert her power for reasons other than political, when (not if) she gets attracted to Chandra... 😉

-Agony of failure: Chandra's gut wrenching misery at his defeat, and the waste of all his efforts of years, the hopes of his guru, and the sacrifices of his followers, comes thru fabulously. As he hacks away at the woodpile in an effort at catharsis, his hands bruised and bleeding with the brutal force he deploys, he like a man possessed. When he throws down the axe and, his whole face contorted with helpless misery and uncontrollable grief, cries aloud:

👏

in a delicate, exquisitely conceived snippet, when he holds the water drop that has suddenly dropped on to his face and, looking up at the sky,


So deep is the trauma that has possessed Chandra that not even all the ringing exhortations of his guru about the need for a king to be sthitha pragya seem to barely penetrate thru the all pervading gloom that surrounds him.

Not till Chanakya's last homily - not to let the pain of their defeat, and the wound that it has caused on Chandra's psyche, heal and be forgotten, kyonki yeh peedha hi tumhein antim vijay ke sukh tak le jaayegi - finally gets thru, and Chandra reacts with a ferocious oath never to let the wound of their loss and defeat fade away till he has conquered Magadha.

👏

-Garam roti se seekh: how to eat a hot roti without getting his fingers burnt.

Now there are many versions of this tale, which resembles other Eureka moment tales recounted about heroes in difficult situations. One has a plateful of hot rice, another, the one flagged by Sri, has a hot dosa. Perhaps the choice of item depends on the region where the tale was being recounted, the dosa version for the south, the rice version for the east, and the roti version for the north and west!

😆

I was struck by two points in the Balaji version. One, the peasant woman goes into far too much of military detail about the campaign to capture Pataliputra.

I agree! 😕

Mutual respect; mutual dependence: Two, I was pleased that it was Chandra who cottoned on to the immediate relevance, for them, of the woman's criticism, and not Chanakya. Also that he was then able, after a kshama chahta hoon, Acharya, to state bluntly that Hamari yojana mein dosh tha.

A nice change...

I was even happier that Chanakya then had the candour and the grace to acknowledge his tactical error, They are a guru-shishya combine, in which each respects and needs the other. Chanakya does not feel in any way diminished by his having conceded his error of judgement, nor does he resent Chandra having pointed it out. It is a unique and wonderful bond that they share.

Yes... he is open to learning... imbibing... they both are egoistic, but they know to acknowledge their faults...

Slowly, very slowly, Chandra's chin comes down in assent. He is ready for the nayi soch.

This Nayi Soch is Star Plus' latest tagline! So they're inserting it everywhere 😆

A dream offer: More even than the crucial help she offers Chandra, the breathtaking self-centredness of the offer, and her blatant disloyalty towards her father and her fellow Macedonians, what is striking about Helena in this sequence is her ability to infuse self-confidence and a fresh determination in her Sandrocottos.

Helena is surely leaving a mark..

Helena's reply could - in its force, its logic, its total conviction that if he followed her advice, he could and would win - have been a(n Persianised version of a) pep talk from Chanakya himself.

This was the infamous Persianised conversation?😆

More even than Chandra, it is Chanakya - who is as clear-headed, as ruthless, and in his own way as self-centred as Helena -

Yes!

Chandra seems less than eager to give this new balidaan, but does he have a choice?

Poor Chandragupta was clearly barely consulted in either case!😉

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Biwi No.1 : Of naapit Nand, that is. Sunanda - not so appropriately named, for there is nothing auspicious about her as the Su would indicate -

As for putting a gunda in his place, she, to my great delight, does precisely that to Padmanand, whom she apostrophises constantly as naapit. She also mocks his inability to dispose of her, thanks to some secret she has that he apparently needs desperately to know. So she brandishes this trump card in front of him, like a carrot in front of a recalcitrant donkey, but just out of his reach, to make him trot. 😆

😆

I loved your description of Shabani Azmi's superior-character btw... 😳

The hapless putri:

And if some of those ghastly corkscrew curls had been chopped off in the fighting, why, she would have only looked better!😉

😆

NB: Medea: She was an enchantress, the daughter of the King of Colchis in Greece. Colchis was the home of the legendary Golden Fleece.

Medea's role in helping Jason get the Golden Fleece began after he came to Colchis, to claim his inheritance and throne by retrieving the legendary prize. Medea fell in love with him and promised to help him, but only on the condition that if he succeeded, he would take her with him and marry her. Jason agreed.

Medea's father, King Aetes of Colchis, promised to give Jason the fleece, but only if he could perform certain tasks. First, Jason had to plough a field with fire-breathing oxen that he had to yoke himself. Medea gave him a magic ointment with which to anoint himself and his weapons, to protect him from the bulls' fiery breath. Next, Jason had to sow the teeth of a dragon in the ploughed field. The teeth sprouted into an army of warriors. Jason was forewarned by Medea, however, and threw a rock into the crowd. Unable to determine where the rock had come from, the soldiers attacked and killed each other. Finally, Aetes made Jason fight and kill the sleepless dragon that guarded the fleece. Medea put the beast to sleep with her narcotic herbs. Jason then took the fleece and sailed away with Medea, as he had promised.

The rest of the story, after the love story of Medea and Jason sours, is best left alone! One devoutly hopes that Helena does not do a full scale Medea on Chandragupta!

Very interesting anecdote this, Periyamma... enjoyed reading your analysis... I read the other one as soon as it was posted... but got around to writing a detailed reply only now... sorry for that!🤗

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What an entertaining post Aunty! 👏

From the title to the famous RK pose, I was laughing all thru out! 😆



Chandragupta's anthahpura

Not only Sandy, We all are happy & eagerly waiting! 😉

This one in particular 😳


I also liked profile shots of Rajat & posted the same in Insta 😃





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Originally posted by: harrybird


Not only Sandy, We all are happy & eagerly waiting! 😉

Aunty had in her previous post mentioned Chandra's harem. I had pointed out that it is not easy to get over with Jalal. That is why she asked me if i was happy at the 'anthapur' instead of Harem. Just that 'happy'. And yes. The 'happy and waiting' is shared by all of us.😆

I also liked profile shots of Rajat & posted the same in Insta 😃





What would Michaelangelo do if he sees these pics? Paint or carve a statue?😳

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