Expectations and Communication!!!

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There's a saying on expectations,

A woman marries a man expecting him to change, and he doesn't...
A man marries a woman expecting her to stay the same, and she does...

It couldn't have been more highlighted in today's episode...

Dev has been communicating his expectations very clearly since he got married without shouting from the roof top.

So it's not like Sona is in any doubt about what he wants.

But the fact that she is still trying to please Ishwari at the expense of her husband is something that is the root cause of many distressed relationships in the society.

If you recall, I wrote that Sona shouldn't have to have sex on their wedding night when they had a fight. But the fight was over the next day. Since then she is behaving as if being a daughter-in-law is more important than being with her husband.

She doesn't have to sleep with her husband just because she owes him anything. But she wants to be with him and he wants to be with her, yet she is letting a third person's belief which is not even her own belief dictate her relationship.

There are a lot of taboos in Indian society... Everything revolves around purity. The ultimate goal of a woman is to be pure and innocent...
A woman can't have sexual needs. A woman always has to deny having sex when a man wants to because otherwise she is not pure or innocent. In fact it's better if she can think of England when the act is happening.

That mentality is highlighted over and over in TV shows where I have not seen a single normal consummation scene. It has to be either one will push too hard the other and they will have sex or there will be sex under the influence of drug or alcohol or there will be a fight and they will jump on each other for make up sex.

Sex before marriage is considered taboo, but sex after marriage is apparently makes people impure.

So bottom line is that sex is impure...

A woman who dreams constantly about a man she loves and wants to be his wife forever, is willing to be anything but be a wife after marriage.

I could see Dev's frustration today. He is doing everything to be close to his wife and his wife is doing everything to push him away.

Ishwari may be North Indian, but Sona is Bengali. So it's not like she is not aware of Durga Pujo.

She could eat just fruit for Devi Maa and not keep any vrat which I think is a bowl of hogwash anyway.

Sona didn't have to agree to anything without talking to Dev and if she had said that she will talk to Dev about the fast, Ishwari would have backtracked fast because she never wants Dev to know about the games she is playing.

But today I felt Ishwari was behaving more like a wife and Sona was behaving more like his mother.

Ishwari wants to come close and Sona wants to push him away. That's seriously messed up.

How can sex between married couple which is the most natural thing on the planet be impure and ruin a worship?

Sona took the decision to keep the vrat herself without once talking to Dev about it when she knows how he would feel.

I am a very liberal woman as you all know but I am a strict believer of equality. If you take a decision that impacts another person's life or choice, then you have to discuss it with that person before taking the decision.

In my home, my husband has to talk to me first before inviting anyone and I do the same. None of us says no. But we just might have other plans which we have to reschedule or postpone if we have someone coming for dinner or overnight stay or may be we just don't want to change our plans. Or we might just need some rest. It's unreasonable to expect either of us always prepared for everything all the time.

And that's a small thing in the context of a much bigger thing that is a matter of importance to one person if not a priority to the other.

Dev even said what I wrote in my last post. Sona is too busy being a bahu that she forgot that she is also a wife.

Another thing is communication. Dev has been clearly communicating his expectations to his wife. But Sona kept the full extent of her decision hidden from him until he actually approached her. Why? Like I said, when people know they are wrong or not being unfair, that's when they hide.

And as a result, Dev stormed to his mother who will now pretend to be innocent even though she was subtly manipulating all along. But this outburst will sour Sona's relationship with both Dev and Ishwari.

Dev will think Sona is no longer interested in him when Sona will say that it was her decision and Ishwari will blame Sona for instigating Dev against her.

Isse kehte hai, na ghar ka, na ghat ka.

Trying to be someone she is not to please someone else, she might damage her relationship with someone who loves her for who she is.

And that's what I was saying all along.




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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: tia.o

She doesn't have to sleep with her husband just because she owes him anything. But she wants to be with him and he wants to be with her, yet she is letting a third person's belief which is not even her own belief dictate her relationship.
Exactly.It's not even her belief.

There are a lot of taboos in Indian society... Everything revolves around purity. The ultimate goal of a woman is to be pure and innocent...
A woman can't have sexual needs. A woman always has to deny having sex when a man wants to because otherwise she is not pure or innocent. In fact it's better if she can think of England when the act is happening.
🤣 Ok I can't stop my laughter at this.

That mentality is highlighted over and over in TV shows where I have not seen a single normal consummation scene. It has to be either one will push too hard the other and they will have sex or there will be sex under the influence of drug or alcohol or there will be a fight and they will jump on each other for make up sex.

Sex before marriage is considered taboo, but sex after marriage is apparently makes people impure.

So bottom line is that sex is impure...
And then those very people who consider sex impure constantly talk about having children.

A woman who dreams constantly about a man she loves and wants to be his wife forever, is willing to be anything but be a wife after marriage.

I could see Dev's frustration today. He is doing everything to be close to his wife and his wife is doing everything to push him away.

Ishwari may be North Indian, but Sona is Bengali. So it's not like she is not aware of Durga Pujo.

She could eat just fruit for Devi Maa and not keep any vrat which I think is a bowl of hogwash anyway.
And even if she did keep the fast,she doesn't have to follow the no intimacy rule(which I've never heard of before🥱)It's not like they have to share their private life with Ishwari.It's none of her business.

Sona didn't have to agree to anything without talking to Dev and if she had said that she will talk to Dev about the fast, Ishwari would have backtracked fast because she never wants Dev to know about the games she is playing.

But today I felt Ishwari was behaving more like a wife and Sona was behaving more like his mother.

Ishwari wants to come close and Sona wants to push him away. That's seriously messed up.
And creepy, really really creepy.The satisfaction on Ishwari's face after Sona agrees to fast(basically due to abstinence rule),her expressions during the lap scene,that was disturbing.

How can sex between married couple which is the most natural thing on the planet be impure and ruin a worship?

Sona took the decision to keep the vrat herself without once talking to Dev about it when she knows how he would feel.

I am a very liberal woman as you all know but I am a strict believer of equality. If you take a decision that impacts another person's life or choice, then you have to discuss it with that person before taking the decision.

In my home, my husband has to talk to me first before inviting anyone and I do the same. None of us says no. But we just might have other plans which we have to reschedule or postpone if we have someone coming for dinner or overnight stay or may be we just don't want to change our plans. Or we might just need some rest. It's unreasonable to expect either of us always prepared for everything all the time.

And that's a small thing in the context of a much bigger thing that is a matter of importance to one person if not a priority to the other.

Dev even said what I wrote in my last post. Sona is too busy being a bahu that she forgot that she is also a wife.
And she is going to add another thing to her list to achieve this.Convincing Dev to appoint Vicky.I was pulling my hair when I read that😕For once Dev would have probably disobeyed his mother's order(aah, that was so irritating.Lady, it's his company and his decision to make!)

Another thing is communication. Dev has been clearly communicating his expectations to his wife. But Sona kept the full extent of her decision hidden from him until he actually approached her. Why? Like I said, when people know they are wrong or not being unfair, that's when they hide.
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And as a result, Dev stormed to his mother who will now pretend to be innocent even though she was subtly manipulating all along. But this outburst will sour Sona's relationship with both Dev and Ishwari.

Dev will think Sona is no longer interested in him when Sona will say that it was her decision and Ishwari will blame Sona for instigating Dev against her.

Isse kehte hai, na ghar ka, na ghat ka.
Yup

Trying to be someone she is not to please someone else, she might damage her relationship with someone who loves her for who she is.

And that's what I was saying all along.




Edited by rose4ever - 8 years ago
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Exactly.It's not even her belief.

That's even more irritating for me than her constant desire to please her in-laws. Like Gemini said that it's natural to want to impress your in-laws... But trying to be someone else is not the way to do it because that's being dishonest to one's own self and you can't maintain this fake persona forever...


And then those very people who consider sex impure constantly talk about having children.

Exactly. How can by product of an impure act can be pure? How can children be a gift from God if sex is impure and offends the same God?


And even if she did keep the fast,she doesn't have to follow the no intimacy rule(which I've never heard of before🥱)It's not like they have to share their private life with Ishwari.It's none of her business.

Precisely. Why does Sona have to tell anything that's going on in her bedroom? Dev won't tell his mother about it and Ishwari won't dare ask anything to him either. If Ishwari asks just give her an offended and disgusted look. She won't dare ask further in fear that Sona will let Dev know how creepy she is being.

And creepy, really really creepy.The satisfaction on Ishwari's face after Sona agrees to fast(basically due to abstinence rule),her expressions during the lap scene,that was disturbing.

Actually Ishwari and Sona's role reversal was many ways disturbing and disgusting to watch. I felt so sorry for poor Dev today.
And she is going to add another thing to her list to achieve this.Convincing Dev to appoint Vicky.I was pulling my hair when I read that😕For once Dev would have probably disobeyed his mother's order(aah, that was so irritating.Lady, it's his company and his decision to make!)

His company? Ishwari doesn't think so. See how she is looking forward to distributing his company among her children?

Edited by tia.o - 8 years ago
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what I don't understand is which newly wedded wife would prefer doing pooja, jhadu pocha, cooking over having sex with her husband? especially because they have never done it before and that sonakshi is still a virgin? there must be some curiosity and excitment. it has been a week since they were married and the much in love couple still did not have sex! unbelievable. sonaskhi is an inconsiderate fool.
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Yes yes and yes.
Yes still the society considers some of the obvious things as impure although it comes with the package of human creation and womanhood (if you know what I mean). God-created things are considered impure and unsuitable for God. This never fits into my brain somehow. As a result, I follow Dev Dixit's path here 😆

Yes, Sona is into a competition she never dreamt on having, at least Bijoy and Asha didn't grow her up in a way that her ultimate life-goal would be to be the BEST bahu of the world. By accepting to Ishwari's unfair demands at the drop of her hat, she is not only sacrificing Dev's expectations, but also Dev's trust on Sona as in why Dev chose a girl like Sona to marry instead of looking someone from his 'biraadri' 😳 If I were at Dev's place, I would have doubts that is this what I signed in for ? 👎🏼

Yes, Ishwari had victorious smile when Sona agreed to keep the fast. She indeed badly wanted Sona to agree for the fast without consulting Dev, because she approached Sona when Dev was not at home, or was not expected to be home for the next 2 days (at least that's what Ishwari thought). But this time it's Sona who Dev should have questioned. 🤔 When the foundation of husband-wife is not solid, it's very easy for any 3/4th person to create MU between them. It's always necessary to let your spouse know about yourself much enough for them to defend your actions even behind your back. Here when Dev's actions are in sync with his words, Sona's not. And no one but Sona is responsible for this 🤔 Today Ishwari, tomorrow Mamiji, then Vicky, Sona's stupidity is giving license to everyone to come walk all over their marriage. What she should first concentrate is to focus on Dev and later fight with everyone else as a team.. By doing all these, she is making way for Ishwari to have upper hand on Dev for ever, like you said - role reversal.

Messed up Sona is creating a mess for herself. In all these, 10/10 to our 8-yr old Dev Babu 🥳
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To answer your question, the same newly wedded bride who grows up in a society where sex is considered to be impure. God forbid a woman even shows little curiosity or interest in sex. Before marriage, Ishwari and Sona were talking about little Mr. Abhodro and little Miss Khargosh as if Sona can't wait to jump Dev's bones and Ishwari can't wait to have aphrodisiac stuffed down Dev's throat.

Marriage was over, any desire for little Mr. Abhodro and little Miss Khargosh is also over for both Ishwari and Sona.

Dev is probably wondering W*F. So much talk about babies before marriage that he started to feel uncomfortable and now so many roadblock to the process that the 7% chance might as well be 0%.

Originally posted by: pomegranate

what I don't understand is which newly wedded wife would prefer doing pooja, jhadu pocha, cooking over having sex with her husband? especially because they have never done it before and that sonakshi is still a virgin? there must be some curiosity and excitment. it has been a week since they were married and the much in love couple still did not have sex! unbelievable. sonaskhi is an inconsiderate fool.

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Dev has been perfect husband since he left abruptly for work and came back and admitted his male ego.

But who is this downgraded version masquerading as Sonakshi Bose Dixit?

You are absolutely right. Dev didn't marry some conservative, puja-path wali girl from their biradri. He married an educated, liberal, independent Bengali girl.

Along with 80's Jaya Prada fashion sense, it seems like Sona has also turned into 80's bahu overnight.

I can understand why Dev is looking so confused.

Sona, go to work or go home to remind yourself who you are and why you are in Dixit household. You are not there to be Ishwari's daughter-in-law. You are there to be Dev's wife. Every other identity is connected to that identity of a wife. So be a wife first and then if you have left anything else to give, then be a daughter-in-law or sister-in-law.

Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

Yes yes and yes.

Yes still the society considers some of the obvious things as impure although it comes with the package of human creation and womanhood (if you know what I mean). God-created things are considered impure and unsuitable for God. This never fits into my brain somehow. As a result, I follow Dev Dixit's path here 😆

Yes, Sona is into a competition she never dreamt on having, at least Bijoy and Asha didn't grow her up in a way that her ultimate life-goal would be to be the BEST bahu of the world. By accepting to Ishwari's unfair demands at the drop of her hat, she is not only sacrificing Dev's expectations, but also Dev's trust on Sona as in why Dev chose a girl like Sona to marry instead of looking someone from his 'biraadri' 😳 If I were at Dev's place, I would have doubts that is this what I signed in for ? 👎🏼

Yes, Ishwari had victorious smile when Sona agreed to keep the fast. She indeed badly wanted Sona to agree for the fast without consulting Dev, because she approached Sona when Dev was not at home, or was not expected to be home for the next 2 days (at least that's what Ishwari thought). But this time it's Sona who Dev should have questioned. 🤔 When the foundation of husband-wife is not solid, it's very easy for any 3/4th person to create MU between them. It's always necessary to let your spouse know about yourself much enough for them to defend your actions even behind your back. Here when Dev's actions are in sync with his words, Sona's not. And no one but Sona is responsible for this 🤔 Today Ishwari, tomorrow Mamiji, then Vicky, Sona's stupidity is giving license to everyone to come walk all over their marriage. What she should first concentrate is to focus on Dev and later fight with everyone else as a team.. By doing all these, she is making way for Ishwari to have upper hand on Dev for ever, like you said - role reversal.

Messed up Sona is creating a mess for herself. In all these, 10/10 to our 8-yr old Dev Babu 🥳

Edited by tia.o - 8 years ago
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Nice post as always. Must say, you have a flair for writing and thats why may be your thoughts come out so clearly and convincingly.
My responses in blue to few of your points:-

But the fact that she is still trying to please Ishwari at the expense of her husband is something that is the root cause of many distressed relationships in the society.

Totally agree with you .Sona is behaving like a mother more than a wife. Somewhere or the other she is convinced that she has already secured her position as a wife and now she is all set to impress Ishwari.

And then there is Ishwari who knows her next motto is to acquire a wife's position in Dev's life and she is passionately working towards that.

Poor Sona don't know that doing so she is slowly getting that secured position slipped away and letting Ishu The in-charge of her wifey rights over Dev.


There are a lot of taboos in Indian society... Everything revolves around purity. The ultimate goal of a woman is to be pure and innocent...

A woman can't have sexual needs. A woman always has to deny having sex when a man wants to because otherwise she is not pure or innocent. In fact it's better if she can think of England when the act is happening.

That mentality is highlighted over and over in TV shows where I have not seen a single normal consummation scene. It has to be either one will push too hard the other and they will have sex or there will be sex under the influence of drug or alcohol or there will be a fight and they will jump on each other for make up sex.

Sex before marriage is considered taboo, but sex after marriage is apparently makes people impure.

So bottom line is that sex is impure...

Lol...Loved this one.I am still ROFLing on the reasoning.

obviously like all of us think and agree. Its not impure.

LIFE STARTS FROM HERE. you and I are the result of it 😉

I am a very liberal woman as you all know but I am a strict believer of equality. If you take a decision that impacts another person's life or choice, then you have to discuss it with that person before taking the decision.

Ditto.I agree and we also follow the same understanding in our married relationship.We don't end up surprising or upsetting each other.

At last

A much needed Jelaousy track for Sona at this time-

I am sure a Jealousy track of Sona will follow a realization track for her which will create an awareness in her for the bullying behavior of Ishwari. Sona has in a way taken her husband for granted and is ignoring his basic needs of love and sex.

Dev is bound to fall for the side where he is getting love and acknowledgment and Ishwari is leaving no stones unturned to be there for Dev whenever he needs love and support.

Today for the first time I felt that Dev is right and knows that they (Sona and he) have to set boundaries when it comes to any third person. Dev saying to Sona that no one has rights to barge unannounced at their private space at such an odd time or at anytime made this evident. Sona dint seem to understand that.

I am glad that CVs have slowly kicked off a slight jealousy in Sona which will enlighten her with the truth of her MIL.

I am sure below situations will definitely instigate jealousy and soon realization in Sona:

Ishwari keeping her Locker keys means she is managing their bed room affairs like it's hers

Ishwari s unannounced and may be unwelcomed stopping-by tricks to her bedroom might just change to an overnight sleep.

Ishwari's presence near Dev when Sona is expected to be there means Ishu has made Sona's life her life while Sona is busy doing Tulsi puja, navratra vrat or taking cookie orders at Dixit's dinning table.

let see where the story goes.


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Originally posted by: tia.o

To answer your question, the same newly wedded bride who grows up in a society where sex is considered to be impure. God forbid a woman even shows little curiosity or interest in sex. Before marriage, Ishwari and Sona were talking about little Mr. Abhodro and little Miss Khargosh as if Sona can't wait to jump Dev's bones and Ishwari can't wait to have aphrodisiac stuffed down Dev's throat.

Marriage was over, any desire for little Mr. Abhodro and little Miss Khargosh is also over for both Ishwari and Sona.

Dev is probably wondering W*F. So much talk about babies before marriage that he started to feel uncomfortable and now so many roadblock to the process that the 7% chance might as well be 0%.



I know but sonakshi was never liked that. she never believed in this stuff and she is doing all this not because she agrees with the beliefs, but because she wants to impress ishwari. in this process, she is alienating her husband. again, sonakshi was never like this and despite what our society says, many educated girl no longer adheres to such archaic practices.

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