Historical serials - a good choice?

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Heyy guyss..you can treat this as a debate if you want to..

But i wanted to ask:

Is making a historical serial, a good/sensible choice?

Please notice the keyword: SERIAL, not a movie/documentary etc.

I personally think that making a historical serial is not a good choice because firstly, a serial is normally expected to run for at least a few years or seasons and is normally telecasted at least once a week. This means that it would consist of a lot of episodes. Can serial makers really gather genuine information about the historical subject to fill in all those episodes?

As a result, they naturally have to make up several things along the way. But this contradicts the purpose of a historical serial because it is meant to enlighten its viewers about something/someone important from the past.

Take PRC for example, Sagars have made up so many things in the show that the show doesnt even come across a HISTORIC one anymore. It appears to be more of a normal serial. As viewers, we regard this show as a historical one, and believe that what's shown in it is authentic. But is it sensible to make up segments and present it as something "historic" when in reality, its merely fictional?

Therefore I think that instead of historic serials, people should make historic documentaries or movies which don't last that long and hold only authentic depictions of the historical person/event.

What about you guys?

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Interesting Topic Sho...
firstly why do directors, producers put their money in making a historical drama(be it theatre, Fim,serial,documentary).
Reasons being-
(a) they r intrigued by the historical facts and want to present their interpretation of the fact.
(b)They r proud of the historical Evidences and their History and wud wana glorify it by converying the matter to the audiences.
(c) Ofcourse to maximize Profit.
Y did sagars Make "PrithviRaj Chauhan in the first place"?
Ramanand Sagar read the Raso and was touched by PRCz life. he was also shocked that history of such a great man/warrior legend is not mentioned in History. he therefore decided wid "tears" in his eyes that his story should be conveyed to the masses.
in the due process, his sons,creative heads etc etc have manipulated the facts and have accepted it in the disclaimer mentioning that some parts and characters maybe fictional to Enhance the drama effect.
well...im talking in general keeping "PRC" in mind because that is the nly historical serial tht comes to my mind now.
Historic stories be it nething needs to be told be it any medium. Television would certainly be the best medium coz it has a larger Reach that wud generate greater impact.Documentaries are meant for a niche audience.Films yea ...but it all depends on the moods of the directors,writers and Producers. tomorrow if..."i" decide to make a film on PRC-Sanyo...i need veteran Producers like Ronnie Screwala,UTV etc etc to Back me up.Even in televison itz the same thing...i wud need a good production house to back my story up.
what im trying to say is dat....History is History and it shd be respected by all mediums of Communication ..Print,TV,Documentaries,Films.i cant really say Letz just stick to documentaries or films when it comes to historic stuffz...coz Even films tend to manipulate facts and add manny Nuances that manifest manipulation on a larger scale.
biggest example Raj Kumar Santoshiz "Ashoka".Even Mughl-e-Azam..Nobody knows the truth whether "Akbar" really spared Anarkali's life or made her serve the death sentence that he had sentenced her to.
in short...i repeat..Historic stuffz need to be communicated wid evry medium of communication available in the market today.
After all History does us proud!!! 😳
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Omgg....i have never written a longer post than the above before...sorry people!!! 😕 😆 ....but i go overboard at tymes 😆
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Posted: 18 years ago
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good points pallo but i cant help feeling that making a historical SERIAL is pretty pointless..because either the serial is gonna be too short due to lack of enough historical evidences to continue the serial, or half the stuff in it will be made up, which totally contradicts the purpose of a serial.

in fact, they should create movies, which will appeal to a larger scale of people AND most of the stuff in it will be authentic.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonali13

good points pallo but i cant help feeling that making a historical SERIAL is pretty pointless..because either the serial is gonna be too short due to lack of enough historical evidences to continue the serial, or half the stuff in it will be made up, which totally contradicts the purpose of a serial.

in fact, they should create movies, which will appeal to a larger scale of people AND most of the stuff in it will be authentic.

i respect ure views too sho...nly the hitch out here is that...there is no guarantee that movies will be completely Authentic!Movies wud defintly suffice the purpose of historic cinema beautifully enuf to create an impact no dragging necessary.but maybe the impact will be shortlived. Tv on the other hand may have a wider reach and Create a long term impact on people but there maybe unnecessary dragging. evry medium has itz own shortcomings and plus points.

It wud be great if historic stuffz r communicated in evry medium of communication available today. the more the merrier!!!😃

i dun object to ne of ure points hun...i just have a completely Diffrent take on this subject!!!😊

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Interesting topic for discussion. I agree with bezella here based on what I have seen on TV till now. we havent had too many historicals on Indian TV but whatever little we have had have been enlightening. Two historicals come to mind right now Tipu Sultan and PRC. Of the 2 I think Tipu was I think the more realistic one(except that Tipu hadnt married twice as shown in the serial). The show basically stuck to facts and the vigilant heirs of Tipu and others didnt allow the makers to take sides. Yes Tipu was presented in a positive light thruout.
But then Tipu was made in an era when DD was the king unlike today's times when there is so much competition among the channels for TRPs. So thats why probably PRC has shown more fictional dramatic stuff. But still I would say even in today's times a serial is much better than hostorical films and documentaries. Docuentaries have limited reach whereas its tough to fit in all facets of a historical character in 3 hrs of a film. One thing the makers of historicals surely can do is depict their hero more objectively. The heroes had great quality but then they were humans.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: kshreya2002

Interesting topic for discussion. I agree with bezella here based on what I have seen on TV till now. we havent had too many historicals on Indian TV but whatever little we have had have been enlightening. Two historicals come to mind right now Tipu Sultan and PRC. Of the 2 I think Tipu was I think the more realistic one(except that Tipu hadnt married twice as shown in the serial). The show basically stuck to facts and the vigilant heirs of Tipu and others didnt allow the makers to take sides. Yes Tipu was presented in a positive light thruout.
But then Tipu was made in an era when DD was the king unlike today's times when there is so much competition among the channels for TRPs. So thats why probably PRC has shown more fictional dramatic stuff. But still I would say even in today's times a serial is much better than hostorical films and documentaries. Docuentaries have limited reach whereas its tough to fit in all facets of a historical character in 3 hrs of a film. One thing the makers of historicals surely can do is depict their hero more objectively. The heroes had great quality but then they were humans.


tipu had married twice.. though his love was rukhaya begum- his second wife.. Actually tipu and rukhaya were childhood friends.. n he wanted to marry her when they grew up.. but hyderali did not know abt this n he arranged tipu's marriage with another girl. and those people had started the preparation.. so when hyderali came to know abt rukhaya n tipu, he cldn't tell the other family. anyway tipu married rukhaya because acoording to muslim customs a man cld have 4 wives.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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When Tipu used to be telecast there was news in the papers that Tipu had one wife but was shown married twice as there was problems with the first actress Malvika Tiwari(who played Tipu's childhood sweetheart) and her character was killed off and Deepti Bhatnagar was got in as another wife. I may be wrong ofcouse.
Btw tell me one thing...did PRC and Sanyo really meet at yatra and all that? I have always read in history that they met only when they were grown up.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: kshreya2002

When Tipu used to be telecast there was news in the papers that Tipu had one wife but was shown married twice as there was problems with the first actress Malvika Tiwari(who played Tipu's childhood sweetheart) and her character was killed off and Deepti Bhatnagar was got in as another wife. I may be wrong ofcouse.
Btw tell me one thing...did PRC and Sanyo really meet at yatra and all that? I have always read in history that they met only when they were grown up.


i don't remember the serial much... what i have said is from his biography by Gidwani(the serial was based on this biography).
prithvi and sanyo never went to any yatra as shown in the serial
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: kshreya2002

When Tipu used to be telecast there was news in the papers that Tipu had one wife but was shown married twice as there was problems with the first actress Malvika Tiwari(who played Tipu's childhood sweetheart) and her character was killed off and Deepti Bhatnagar was got in as another wife. I may be wrong ofcouse.
Btw tell me one thing...did PRC and Sanyo really meet at yatra and all that? I have always read in history that they met only when they were grown up.

Nope...the Koteshwar yatra was just a manifestation of Sagars Superb imagination!!!it was fiction!!Prithvi n Sanyo never met..until their elopment....but yet....Their love story was much much more beautiful than what sagars portray or have portrayed til date!!!😳

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