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TheRager

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Posted: 9 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: aaabbb

100% agree with this
Not to detract from the discussion, but I just saw yesterday on Vogue India's instagram that Aalia "Eff" (Pooja Bedi's daughter) is being featured on the site; I go over to her instagram and see that she will be on the cover of Femina India. This is something that the average model/actor works hard to achieve and this child who has done nothing as of yet is being handed these things on a platter.
Also saw on her page that she was at NYU for a year studying filmmaking and transferred this year to NYFA into a one-year acting course, probably to rush her debut. And I won't even mention her godawful put-on American accent that she somehow acquired after living there for a year.

And it's not just her. Abhishek Bachchan, Sonam Kapoor, Imran Khan, Shahid Kapoor are given chance after chance after chance to prove their worth. They may even be great actors (IMO Shahid Kapoor and ABJr are), but at the end of the day without box office pull, hiring them is not financially viable. With their hit/flop ratio, it can only be their connections that keep bringing them offers. Heck, even Harshvardhan Kapoor, whose debut film hasn't released, has two other films lined up. He's got industry biggies already vouching for him, and giving interviews touting him a star. If this isn't nepotism, what is?

And the next generation of "star kids". We've already been hearing for years about how Sri Devi's daughters, SRK's kids, all these ask.fm/insta famous kids will be debuting soon and most of it starts when they're still kids. Aaradhya Bachchan is a toddler and the media's already calling her a future superstar, printing stupid stories about how she'll act opposite AbRam Khan. It's as if they are being told, "this is the job for you". Most of the star kids debut so young, and most of the time work behind the scenes before their debut, sometimes even starting as teenagers. They start working towards this goal before they really even have a chance to consider their options.

If nepotism wasn't so prevalent, maybe we would have better talent, and talented actors would be given a fair chance (IMO Rajat Barmecha, Huma Qureshi among others). There's so many actors who aren't given the chance, and have to struggle so hard to even be noticed. Television actors, some who've worked for years and have an established fanbase, shift to movies and do not get quality work to do, either doing eroticas or side roles (Vikrant Massey comes to mind).

I'm done. lol I don't even know why I ranted about this.

I agree with you. I think the main reason nepotism works in BW is because few people have a hold on how talent is showcased. That is Harshvardhan's debut will get 3000 screens while a non starkid's debut will rot in the cans. So non starkids dont even get a chance to prove their talent now.

But there is also hope as I feel soon technology will defeat nepotism. That is more and more content will be available online and just a few families will not be able to control which kid is showcased better than the rest. That will make it a level playing field in the future. With better data speeds and more mobiles movie industry as we know today will mostly cease to exist.

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awesomegurti

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Posted: 9 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: ranikaadi

Thanks. I still can't believe Ranbir was paid more than Deepika for shit like Tamasha. SRK's career was failing, and if it weren't for Deepika, he would've vanished by now.

Last lines SRK , his family n Fans Deepika ko Pooja karna hain daily 😆 😆

Kitni meharbaan ki Deepu srk pe

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AllBlacks1

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Posted: 9 years ago

#13

Nobody is dying... BW as an industry is growing 5 times faster than the inflation. In 90s stars used to charge 10 Lacs as big deal, 1 Cr movie was a great deal.. today its almost 100 times more.. BW is not failing.. it's one of the biggest success stories of Indian industries.. one that sells dreams and make fans not only in India but also abroad...so chill.

And no, starkids like HR or Ranbir.. haha.. they r still starkids? they r not putting a stop on the process. There r many starkids forgotten and many to come in future.

Economy is not just that one project fails or make huge profit.. for an industry it's the whole turn around. So, BW churns out huge successes or flops, its the money passing hands all over. That's economy.

HR's 6 BBs have him charged nothing to 20% of those projects.. he wont charge more coz they r huge money spinners and he shouldnt charge less if it's not.

If Akshay's movie costs 50 Crs to become a superhit.. just find out how much he charges and how many flops he has given in past despite that less charges?

If Hr gives his 30 Crs back to Ashu G today as a goodwill gesture, will that movie have different verdict? But he will.

It's one thing for us end user of BW game and fame and shame to talk about hits and flops.. its another thing.. for producers to make that call and gamble his money.. if the superstar is still in demand, no daddy, nana, mommy dear there... hardcore business and art for ppl who understands it. From the time of signing to that Friday is a long time.

So, no BW is not failing.. it's the Indian audience failing BW. And no, starkids like HR and Ranbir are not at fault.. hahaha.. starkids.. Gosh... why am I even replying here. hahaha.

Ok, there will be some good critically acclaimed movies by end of the year.. and none of which we have seen in theatres.. but that's how it works. We the stpd audience make stpd movies BBs and dont watch great movies in theatres.

And still BW is thriving. Your calculators wont give you answers.. nor BO sites.. You will just have to believe in fairytales. It's always rosy in the end. hehehe.

Edited by AllBlacks1 - 9 years ago

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807031

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Posted: 9 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: aaabbb

100% agree with this
Not to detract from the discussion, but I just saw yesterday on Vogue India's instagram that Aalia "Eff" (Pooja Bedi's daughter) is being featured on the site; I go over to her instagram and see that she will be on the cover of Femina India. This is something that the average model/actor works hard to achieve and this child who has done nothing as of yet is being handed these things on a platter.
Also saw on her page that she was at NYU for a year studying filmmaking and transferred this year to NYFA into a one-year acting course, probably to rush her debut. And I won't even mention her godawful put-on American accent that she somehow acquired after living there for a year.

And it's not just her. Abhishek Bachchan, Sonam Kapoor, Imran Khan, Shahid Kapoor are given chance after chance after chance to prove their worth. They may even be great actors (IMO Shahid Kapoor and ABJr are), but at the end of the day without box office pull, hiring them is not financially viable. With their hit/flop ratio, it can only be their connections that keep bringing them offers. Heck, even Harshvardhan Kapoor, whose debut film hasn't released, has two other films lined up. He's got industry biggies already vouching for him, and giving interviews touting him a star. If this isn't nepotism, what is?

And the next generation of "star kids". We've already been hearing for years about how Sri Devi's daughters, SRK's kids, all these ask.fm/insta famous kids will be debuting soon and most of it starts when they're still kids. Aaradhya Bachchan is a toddler and the media's already calling her a future superstar, printing stupid stories about how she'll act opposite AbRam Khan. It's as if they are being told, "this is the job for you". Most of the star kids debut so young, and most of the time work behind the scenes before their debut, sometimes even starting as teenagers. They start working towards this goal before they really even have a chance to consider their options.

If nepotism wasn't so prevalent, maybe we would have better talent, and talented actors would be given a fair chance (IMO Rajat Barmecha, Huma Qureshi among others). There's so many actors who aren't given the chance, and have to struggle so hard to even be noticed. Television actors, some who've worked for years and have an established fanbase, shift to movies and do not get quality work to do, either doing eroticas or side roles (Vikrant Massey comes to mind).

I'm done. lol I don't even know why I ranted about this.

GOSH I fear that generation when all these askfm starkids are gonna become bollywood stars 🤢 na shakal na akal! Makeup and attitude ki dukaan they all are.

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noor321

@noor321

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Posted: 9 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: gatheringstorm

But then Sonam or other untalented starkids haven't given gigantic apocalyptic disasters...its the so-called talented starkids who have destroyed the studios.

The solution is not in just doing away with nepotism but in rationalising investment, production costs and actor fees too. Also directors need to be reined in too who use foreign locales unjustifiably like the Tokyo segment in Tamasha which had no relevance in taking the plot forward or the likes of Rohit Shetty and Farah Khan who just blow up money on gaudy movies. Even SLB is no better despite his aesthetics.

In that aspect I think YRF and Salman's home productions are a step ahead because they mostly shoot in domestic locations without mounting expensive sets, except for the Dhoom series and the Chopra directorials. KJo also seems to be on a learning curve but the Ayan superhero film has full potential to sink his PH. Phantom has also returned to its indie roots...so there is hope that some of these production houses will buck the trend.

Agree with you. However, I wouldn't say Salman only shoots in domestic locations due to money but mostly because the guy is not allowed entry in many countries. 😆

I have no problem with starkids but the thing is if they even have 10% of talent they are hyped up as if they were the most talented person in the world, I guess film industry rejoices on the fact that now they don't have to work as hard on them than they would have had they not been talented. 😆

I like HR but I have to agree with the person who posted that the guy cannot play a normal person at all and is charging way too much when he doesn't even bring a big opening. He is cringeworthy when he plays a normal person. Ranbir Kapoor - is definitely good actor, I just watched YJHD again the other day and still think he did well but the problem is he isn't the best thing ever to come to BW, he was hyped up like crazy and now look a few flops and the guy is struggling because people expect way too much - I guess it's not the audience's fault either because when the newer lot consists of such mediocrity, the person that has a bit of edge and somewhat talent, people will obviously want the best from him. The guy did not deserve like 30 crores for BV or whatever. During the time Ranbir came there were hardly any fresh faces, there were some earlier like the Zayed, Fardeen era but people weren't ready to accept new faces then, older lot were more than enough, by 2007/2008 people were much more accepting and some younger films were coming out that required younger faces, so people latched onto Ranbir and went crazy, resulting in people going crazy after him. Later newer faces came and Ranbir couldn't get away with anything and there was a lot of variety available. When these kids can bring massive opening day figures consistently like the Khans, then we'll talk about them earning over 10/15 crores. Right now most don't deserve more than 7/8.

I remember a few weeks ago there was a discussion on Niti Taylor and whether she was suitable, now neither do I think she is suitable for BW but the basis on which people shot her down was that she had the 'cute' look, last time I checked even Alia is more of the "cutesy" look kind of girl yet is accepted, not saying she is terrible but her debut was nothing to rave about and neither does she have the typical heroine looks one would expect, yet somehow just a bit of talent she has shown has gotten people going crazy after her. She isn't bad but there are far better people. Problem is these better people aren't given a chance so audience has to settle with the best of the average.

Look at how hyped Harshvardhan is being, firstly I wanted to comment this before in his teaser thread but couldn't be bothered but the truth is he looks way too hyped up, and it's clearly an image they are trying to portray that typical intellectual actor, same happened with Ranbir, about smart they are about cinema and what not, so fake it's annoying. This guy hasn't even debuted and look how the industry has gone crazy after him. And to top it all he has a debut film that has taken so long to make and is being made on a huge scale, for someone who hasn't even been accepted by the audience yet.