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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: zubeada

but i am confused why color promoting as a TG or kinner ???

i guess using this word isnt right

i dont care even if shes but acc to what we saw soumya isnt TG or kinner
shes a female with some disorder


I think in india kinner or hijra are the only terms in hindi and they include everyone from transgenders to intersex to transvestites etc. In English we have the precise terms but if they have to speak in hindi they will probably have to use the term kinner even in future. Only they should explain that there are different types of kinner.

Saumya cannot be a transgender since she identifies herself as a girl. She is definitely intersex and has ambiguous genitalia.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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agree with u

she has problems physically not mentally she cant become mother due to genital problem

so she is intersex . once harman knows the truth hope he explains everyone what she is


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Posted: 9 years ago
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I think they are using kinnar because thats what maninder n nimmi thought , but she's intersex which is different cv will show how people misunderstand this because of poor or no education
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I hope CV's show IS thing at the right time bcz I'm sure by this time CV's must have realised that the whole nation wants to know that how can a beautiful girl be a TG and how come she dint know about her ownself even though she was kept in isolation 🤣
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I would like to peep in this topic and share my views in this case. Trans-gender, or as we call them 'kinnar' here, are those people who are not exclusively masculine or feminine.
Hence this includes all the people with undeveloped and under developed genitals who were in the process of, but couldn't fully develop into a woman or a man because of various reasons like pregnancy complications, heredity, genetic mutation etc.

If there are any bio-enthusiasts here, they'll know that all foetuses start as a female, and if they have the y chromosome, they develop the male organs.

So if there is a scale and masculinity and femininity are the two extremes to it, our typical notions call anyone a trans-gender who is not on those extreme ends but somewhere between. Earlier, even people with just hormonal issues, like men with man-b**bs or women with unusual facial hair (to name a few) were termed transgender.
Thanks to the increasing broad-mindedness, nowadays only incomplete genital formation are called so.

In Saumya's case, considering her looks, gait and behaviour, she doesn't seem to lack anything from the hormonal perspective. She is romantically attracted to Harman, which also rules out any doubts from the sexual preference perspective.

But since her family has been so obsessed with her identity, since she was born, and Nimmy has been fearing revelation on the SR itself, without anything even happening, this could be the case of incorrect or incomplete development of the "external appearance" of her feminine assets, something that is surgically correctable (probably).

I am very impressed with the makers bringing up such a topic here and I wish Saumya's identity of a transgender is handled with maturity, showing her fight with social norms and hopefully her not being forced into becoming a "perfect" female. Instead she should get accepted and dealt with like other normal people.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: NiharikaMishra

I would like to peep in this topic and share my views in this case. Trans-gender, or as we call them 'kinnar' here, are those people who are not exclusively masculine or feminine.

Hence this includes all the people with undeveloped and under developed genitals who were in the process of, but couldn't fully develop into a woman or a man because of various reasons like pregnancy complications, heredity, genetic mutation etc.

If there are any bio-enthusiasts here, they'll know that all foetuses start as a female, and if they have the y chromosome, they develop the male organs.

So if there is a scale and masculinity and femininity are the two extremes to it, our typical notions call anyone a trans-gender who is not on those extreme ends but somewhere between. Earlier, even people with just hormonal issues, like men with man-b**bs or women with unusual facial hair (to name a few) were termed transgender.
Thanks to the increasing broad-mindedness, nowadays only incomplete genital formation are called so.

In Saumya's case, considering her looks, gait and behaviour, she doesn't seem to lack anything from the hormonal perspective. She is romantically attracted to Harman, which also rules out any doubts from the sexual preference perspective.

But since her family has been so obsessed with her identity, since she was born, and Nimmy has been fearing revelation on the SR itself, without anything even happening, this could be the case of incorrect or incomplete development of the "external appearance" of her feminine assets, something that is surgically correctable (probably).

I am very impressed with the makers bringing up such a topic here and I wish Saumya's identity of a transgender is handled with maturity, showing her fight with social norms and hopefully her not being forced into becoming a "perfect" female. Instead she should get accepted and dealt with like other normal people.

Thanks 4 the info dear
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hi Niharika,
I disagree with you. I don't mean to offend but only learn about this topic. I would be glad to be proven wrong so that I can correct the topic in my mind for future.

Please find my comments in blue.

Originally posted by: NiharikaMishra

I would like to peep in this topic and share my views in this case. Trans-gender, or as we call them 'kinnar' here, are those people who are not exclusively masculine or feminine.

Hence this includes all the people with undeveloped and under developed genitals who were in the process of, but couldn't fully develop into a woman or a man because of various reasons like pregnancy complications, heredity, genetic mutation etc.

I think you are confusing transgender and intersex. Transgender is more about the self identified gender and the assigned at birth gender being in conflict. Intersex is about physical parts being different from what is normally seen as acceptable. If you don't agree with this, can you please give your source?

If there are any bio-enthusiasts here, they'll know that all foetuses start as a female, and if they have the y chromosome, they develop the male organs.

So if there is a scale and masculinity and femininity are the two extremes to it, our typical notions call anyone a trans-gender who is not on those extreme ends but somewhere between. Earlier, even people with just hormonal issues, like men with man-b**bs or women with unusual facial hair (to name a few) were termed transgender.
Thanks to the increasing broad-mindedness, nowadays only incomplete genital formation are called so.

In Saumya's case, considering her looks, gait and behaviour, she doesn't seem to lack anything from the hormonal perspective. She is romantically attracted to Harman, which also rules out any doubts from the sexual preference perspective.

Being a transgender has nothing to do with sexual preference. Saumya could be a normal girl and be a lesbian. She could also be a transgender, i.e. feel like a boy trapped in a girl's body and be gay if she got attracted to a boy. So I think these two are separate characteristics and should not be linked.

But since her family has been so obsessed with her identity, since she was born, and Nimmy has been fearing revelation on the SR itself, without anything even happening, this could be the case of incorrect or incomplete development of the "external appearance" of her feminine assets, something that is surgically correctable (probably).

I am very impressed with the makers bringing up such a topic here and I wish Saumya's identity of a transgender is handled with maturity, showing her fight with social norms and hopefully her not being forced into becoming a "perfect" female. Instead she should get accepted and dealt with like other normal people.

Edited by astha36 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Very interesting and bold subject chosen by the makers . But there should not be any confusion regarding what Saumya actually is - a transgender or intersex . There is difference between the two .
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: astha36

Hi Niharika,
I disagree with you. I don't mean to offend but only learn about this topic. I would be glad to be proven wrong so that I can correct the topic in my mind for future.

Please find my comments in blue.


Thanks Astha. Its nothing offensive about your answer here. If you would like me to state what is different between a transgender and an inter-sex, it's simply what a person wants to identify with.

As you said, trans-gender is a person who does not identify with being a man or a woman and an inter-sex is a person who identifies with one of the two genders, but his/her body parts don't typically qualify for it.
If you see it in a way, it can be biologically the same person, but will be called either trans-gender if he/she identifies with neither being male or female, or will be inter-sex if he/she identifies himself/herself as a man/woman, whatever they feel they are closest to.

Why I say the above statement, is because if we go down to the basic homo-sapien gene level, its either XX or XY. The differences happen due to development issues because of various other factors. In transgenders, there are trans-men and trans-women who are men and women at a genetic level but have not developed into the respective gender fully.
And then, we also have men who identify themselves as women and undergo sex-change operations to achieve that, and vice-versa happens too, just saying...



So in Saumya's case, if she identifies herself as a woman, she can call herself as "lacking something". And if she identifies herself as a third gender, neither male nor female, she is a "normal trans-gender" here.

But the problem with our society is that they are not ready to accept anything out of the box. Anyone who is a little different from the typical is placed in a particular category. If we think about the terminology, "kinnar", it literally translates to a trans-woman, i.e., someone who was born with closer resemblance to the male gender but did not fully develop into a man.
Which means, even all transgenders are not kinnars, let alone inter-sex people.

Also the reason I brought up the topic of sexual preference was because of the potential future of Saumya with Harman, meaning that she is not uncomfortable with the idea of living with a man. That does not relate anyway with her gender identity here. A trans-gender, or even an inter-sex person can be attracted to men, women or trans-gender people.

But the question here also is how comfortable would Harman be, living with someone who is not a typical female.



It would be interesting to see if the show progresses in the journey of Saumya trying to prove herself to be no less than a normal female while struggling with society's standards. Or does she fight to gain recognition for who she already is, and be accepted without having to undergo major changes against her will.
Edited by NiharikaMishra - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Niharika
Thanks for replying. I'm not sure if transgenders don't see themselves as male or female. What I've read about it is that a male who identifies himself as a female. Or vice versa. Not a third gender.

Why it is called the third gender might be because male and female characteristics are defined physically and psychologically and since transgenders and intersex don't fall in either category so they are called third gender.

But afaik they do identify themselves with either or female.

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