Blast from the Past Thread #30 **The Finale... Arnav Khushi Hamesha** - Page 29

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Posted: 9 years ago

just think of it... in the middle of his they are planning a jana, a going. terrible, and yet, maybe that story idea brought the poolside to this beauty.





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Posted: 9 years ago

oh well, at least we had the madness for 398. hamesha will it surely plague us. any chance someone will notice these two should be cast together in an intensely romantic something?


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Posted: 9 years ago
Yes, yes.. some one.. please.. for the last one...

Super Gorgeous edits indi... in the middle of a mayhem that Karwachauth was some thing..whiff of a glorious past...

and your edits caught the feel so very well..the desaturate one with just her saree red...

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Posted: 9 years ago
^^^

thanks, indu... and rabba vey.

yes, these two...

when i think, in the midst of all the beauty and gorgeousness, people had planned a death most foul... makes me slightly dizzy even the thought of this malevolent plan. and yet, perhaps the poolside would never have returned to glory without it.

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Horizon



indu,

thanks for reading. 😃

i so wish i could like the poolside and the gagging, because a germ of asr khushi was there, but not crafted with care... all those doubles distracted me completely, one eye would see the real thing, the other eye would spot the fake and gah what a struggle for both my eyes to align and let the brain read a cogent message or the heart catapult.

maa's garden... as an idea it might have worked but was brought i feel without much thought again, just to add an extreme emotion space after dadi stymied all. this was also jainesh writing, with that hyped tv attitude where emotions have to be syrupy and thick and unreal.

till then terrace, poolside, suv, road, even the pink rooms of gh (with pink plastic mosquito net) were enough to create dhadkan trouble. the first scenes of maa's garden, again too too many shots with doubles... and asr perpetually weepy... i was a bit out of it.

i find sanaya's double equally off. she's bony, not lissome. she plods, sanaya moves gracefully, and her hands, her fingers, her nails, so so not sanaya.

but yeah, abald man for asr 😆

yes, barun was not at all asr here... sanaya too shrieky... like two consummate actors who were losing touch with their characters. the story had been going crazy for a while... the drama had spilled over to real life. the cracks were showing everywhere.

and no way is sheetal getting anywhere near brown man. 😆 sigh, later, she did.


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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52

poolside and an almost...
episode 371

asr sits in the hall watching football.

the moment khushi meets a kid who is somewhat like arnav ji in his ways and has diabetes and whose mother once was arnav ji's saheli, she decides this just might be his son. !!!!!!



so is that how much khushi loves arnav ji? I really felt sad. ASR had also doubted Khushi in the spur of a moment with terrible consequences.. but this? She being jealous or feeling out of league in front of Sheetal I can understand, but randomly thinking its her husband's son.. itna bhi bharosa nai?

and is that really the grim man who has no time for anything but work?

can a woman from a small town meet a man from the big city when she by accident lands up on the catwalk of his show and falls into his arms after tripping on a dupatta?

may seem a little far fetched, but stranger things have happened and many future lovers meet in the unlikeliest of circumstances... so yes, this might happen.

but after that meeting and going through everything they have, would khushi instantly jump to a suspicion like this.. completely doubting her arnav ji? this is just unreal.

and so i am having a huge problem with this whole thing. and then in the middle of it all akash coos, "aisa nahin lag raha ki bhai ke bajoo mein junior bhai baithe hain?"

doesn't it look as if junior bhai is sitting next to bhai?

first, since when has akash become so gooey? and second, how many obvious dialogues are needed to get us to the point.. we get it. I have such a huge problem with people going "oohh choo chweet" as soon as a kid is in the line of sight.. and add to that comparison of kid with others.. as if that is the sole purpose of a child.

i am beginning to get really uncomfortable now.

this is preposterous. it was never the sheetal track as we keep calling it... it was asr's son track.. asr's lack of morality track... asr's extreme irresponsibility track... asr might be like his pita ji track... it was pretty sick really. now that you mention it. so true.

and it was such a terrible blow to two characters and a story and a romance built with love and interest and care even while keeping the commercial aspects in mind.

i am suddenly angry.



a bizarre good and bad khushi talk ensues, then an invitation... she wants sheetal and her son to stay with them so she can find out if her suspicion is justified.

i can't believe this is happening. there is a wilful violence almost in this act.

several months ago on a terrace asr had jumped to a conclusion and acted in a manner we all knew was not correct. but we also knew, they had barely started their relationship... he had just begun to feel something, or rather identify it as "faraq" though he had felt stuff for a while now. he didn't know her too well and there was that uncertainty and tremulousness of the first days of faraq. his heart had shattered at what he saw... or thought he saw.

plus there was his love for his sister and the roiling caused by the fact that the man involved was none other than a man he trusted and his sister adored, his jija ji.

even then, his action was in essence not right. though we felt him suffer as well.

but now.oh I was just saying something about this above. Isshame to ishame pinch saheli

now khushi and asr are at a different point in their lives. love apart, trust has been given and earned.

so how can khushi even begin to think like that? i can understand her being jealous of sheetal, his ex girl friend... but this is not about that really is it? she is convinced asr is aarav's father... she has somewhere decided this and is doing an investigation that will work to prove her hypothesis.

how could writers even think of this idea?

so what is the value of trust then in a relationship? and this was not just any relationship... it was one built through much and valued by many. it had something real in it. honest.

that is badly blighted now.

and anyway, khushi is not mad. though that is how writers are presenting her.

the whole setting up of the question... is asr aarav's father... is done in the most childish and silly fashion. every member of the family is tasked with saying how the two are similar... mami and akash actually say aarav is like his son.

even nani is made to say foolish things... he eats toast just like chhotey.

huh?just reading this is making me so irritated

and so we see how poor khushi has no option. she had a little trepidation upon seeing the similarities but now that everyone is talking about it, she poor girl is being almost pushed into giving this thought credence.

sorry, this doesn't work... by showing khushi behaving in this fashion, no matter how many potlifuls of cuteness you may throw in, you are actually marring her character.

no, sorry writers and directors, just because you showed so called funny things and played funny music, this thing didn't become right. and as i said, you didn't absolve khushi of responsibility by making her act cute and behave like she has no mind of her own.

this is khushi... dammit.

and that is arnav ji.

she does not suspect him of being a kid's father just like that.

if she does, this love story starts suffering terribly. make sheetal chudail and you have a winner maybe, but go down this path and you hurt something precious.

thanks to mano darling we get to know sheetal is a single mother exactly as asr had thought and without being melodramatic or judgmental... why does he always have to do things that make me a bigger fan? even when am resolutely upset with the actor..

his anger feels clean...

her lack of faith in him, just not right.

somehow this suspecting asr feels more terrible to me than even the madness of the shadi karni hogi night.

at the poolside, i like what he says about why he doesn't want sheetal living with them. he spells it out, she is his ex gf... what was the need for this, she could have stayed in a hotel.

in an effort to make her understand, the so cute, "pehle pehle jab nk tumhe bahut attention diya karta tha toh main jealous feel karta tha..."

in the beginning when nk used to pay you too much attention i used to feel jealous.

yeah, the back of the head, instinctive possessive jealousy you feel for someone you consider yours, i can imagine him feeling that. not because he thinks nk is a potential threat... just that, she's out of bounds. territorial alpha male kahinke. uff how good was territorial asr

"bahut awkward ho jaayga..." it'll become very awkward... he is right.

then seeing her face, he thinks it's all to do with khushi's caring nature... she felt bad to hear aarav has diabetes. he only sees her best side... which i would think is natural... he used to "tum jaisi ladki" her all the time, but now he knows better...

khushi rests her head on his shoulder indicating she is feeling bad for aarav and arnav ji has read her right but all along she is scheming and wondering how to get it out of him... that they slept together. had sex.





because it was barun and sanaya i watched.

when she asks him what he did with sheetal, he asked, "matlab?"

meaning?

loved that reply and look. as she kept pushing, the exasperated, "what's the matter with you!"

the interrogation was relentless and flummoxing. finally he deadpanned, "gadi mein hum football khelte the..." we used to play football in the car.

he knew she was asking something else, he just didn't know what, "khushi, what's the matter with you.. kya poochhna chah rahi ho tum?"

khushi, what's the matter with you? what do you want to ask?

at last she almost asked at the spot where they once almost kissed "kya sheetal ji aur aap ne..." did you and sheetal...

what's that cheesy yeah yeah music, i am thinking. raju singh? surely not.

"akele mein... jalebiya?"

all by yourself... khushi ventured, then balked and pulled in her saviour... jalebi.



he got it.

or maybe not.

he cut in with that totally killer, no, he hasn't had jalebi with anyone but her. Again like the baankelalji scene I had a feeling ASR could have caught on way earlier. She is worried and he is perceptive. He had to figure out that he needed to reassure her.

it was hard to watch the episode. it was telecast first on 24 october 2012, on a wednesday, there's a filler quality to it. the same thing being repeated again and again.



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fangurl edit.




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am i imagining it or does kamlesh khabri ji also have a body double?





Hum samajhte hai how difficult it must be to write a take for all these episodes.. we appreciate it Indi di..

You are right about how shallow this doubting of Arnavji makes Khushi.. If she did feel it, she should have been straightforward about it and asked him. And when she was asking him during the poolside conversation, after the initial teasing, he would have figured out how serious it was to her. He would have made sure all her doubts shut up and get out.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52

pulling my hair
episode 373

honestly, the idea of doing a dna test of the man you love so much that baat aapki hai, that without him your saansey will stop, that you hum bhi aap se love you dammit, to find out if he is the father of the child you've just met, is so preposterous, i don't know what i can say really.

other than, yeh sab bakwas hai.

no, it's an insult of everything. of asr. of khushi. of their love. of our love. our faith. our trust.

and then you go and try to keep it "light." have you all gone nuttus to use a mami word.

also you try to fleck it with pyaar, of the cute kind. so both asr and aarav grab khushi's dupatta by the poolside. i really think i'll stop breathing... not with love. only good thing... it was not asr, it was his much larger, not at all asr-ish double.

so khushi spent the whole day trying to find ways to pull out her husband's hair... and writer thought he had gone back to kindergarten, just got admitted in faith academy i am sure, and came up with the gum manouevre. of course only after a real nahiiin dialogue about khushi and her gum, as in gham... sadness, was delivered. the kind of punning that almost has the writer's face beaming at the end of it with an expression that says, "get it??!!!"

it was a morbid feeling that settled in me. and really so much messing with the dna of ipk. it's becoming hard to recognise it.







i stared stoically at arnav singh raizada's face and made caps. my sample to test the native truth about my favourite show. is it still here? or is this an imposter?

have to say, asr was there... though that sweet smile bestowing stranger would take over his body from time time. but he tried to hold on.



khushi is totally unrecognisable, i recall jwmrk using the word "gravitas" for barun's acting. there was an element of that in sanaya's interpretation of khushi too. she never let her become the flat too "bubbly" oh so achhi ladki "chulbuli" character we are often gasping at in the name of a "lovable" and "different" girl.

sanaya made khushi truly fresh, a person, and she gave her incredible depth. her acting in the early episodes was fine and measured, and intelligent. in fact, khushi was intelligent, her sanka didn't make her stupid.
and so beautiful, gracious, courageous and individualistic. Khushi in most scenes would take my breath away. And that voice that would be ethreal in moments with dialgues that made sense and were crisp and wonderful

what's going on here?

anyway, the last scene had me leaping with glee for a fraction of an instant. he is angry i thought. livid. that's what he should be.





and yet every shot had a double in it and marred the moment.

had they gone into the whole dna test thing more seriously after this, showing a real confrontation between the two... the mix of many emotions this would set off in him... in her, we may have had a shot at something that has the signature of ipk in it. but that is not to happen.

i am now wondering, was this the arch way writers were protesting against the complete changing around of the show by channel executives and their constant interference and quick fix solutions offered too helpfully?

and i didn't know you could just get a test done like that in a day, they even post the result to you.



Just reading your takes of 372 and 373 reminds me how terrible these episodes make me feel. Khushi in that school peon uniform was awful. I hated it because it was silly and our heroine had lost her grace and dignity and was acting stupid and doubting a husband with whom she has that pyaar that lets them talk through stars..

Loved your pun on the ipk dna..
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52

what if, arnav ji...
episodes 374/375



"what the hell do you mean by aise hi...!!" arnav singh erupted, the pitch of emotion just right in his voice.

"aise hi..." just like that, mumbled his wife khushi kumari looking lost and woebegone, and part guilty, part anguished.

"are you out of your mind, khushi? tumhe lagta hai aarav mera beta hai..." are you out of your mind, khushi, he rasped, you think aarav is my son.

she didn't know what to say.

"khushi, tumhe bharosa nahi hai mujhpar..." khushi, you don't have faith in me? you think i am lying?

i have never liked watching these episodes, yet i just couldn't suddenly stop watching ipk. i always hoped things would get better. we'd go back to what made the show dear and precious and obsessively loved.

this time as i watched, especially when khushi was going crazy in the store room, her mind in a mess, her suspicions plaguing her, not being able to stand by that "bhabook" decision of hers to rip the dna test without seeing the results, filling up with angst, her mind careening to unthinkable possibilities like a bevy of not so beauties with their sons all called asr...

i thought, this might have been a great moment to look at if they had executed it well.

when you love someone deeply and with every bit of you, when you know you won't live if they are not a part of you, your life, things are not as simple as it seems... or as we want it to be.

love expresses itself in strange mysterious, sometimes terrifying ways. it's not always moonlight and magic, though there is that too. especially by certain poolsides.

that night when arnav singh saw khushi kumari in the arms of shyam manohar jha, he was incredulous at first, then so terribly struck, he could not distinguish right from wrong, the man who pondered sahi and galat so often had no clue what he was about to do was galat.

and while part of it was because of his protective instinct toward his sister, part also because of how he had seen his mother suffer and perhaps he felt her pain suddenly standing there looking at what he thought was betrayal,

but really that error of judgement was to do with the emotion... the faraq he had started to feel and that was so so precious, that had hold over him in a way he had still not fathomed... for that he had to be away and face the moment that he may never see khushi again.

writers must have pondered that terrace situation deeply. directors must have cogitated long. they knew this would take the pitch to another level, the story would spin chaotically suddenly and then have to find a way to settle down. so they prepared carefully i get the feeling. some of the most intense and magnificent episodes in a serial came along, including the scream in the dark 15 february episode. maa.

it took us to the vortex of the romance, the eye of the storm, tying past and present and instant together and hurling us into the future.

no matter how terrible his action and suffocatingly real her bewilderment, her horror, her heartbreak, it set off a quake in me, made me want to stay on and watch it all... till what... till what.. who knew.

just that, yes. you could sense this was love. nothing else but that unfathomable thing.

had the creatives really gotten into khushi's mind and its seemingly nonsensical reaction to the fact that a little boy has mannerisms like her husband's and his mother was an ex girlfriend of his, we might have had a great trip into obsession.

an obsessive fear. not because khushi is mad or stupid or naturally a possessive jealous wife, but because she has such a feeling for her arnav ji... her entire sense of vishwas is somewhere given to him. she is a human being, not a devi, she can jump to a bizarre conclusion and then not be able to let it go. not be able to control it as it begins to take over and propel her into dizzying activity, interminable action, ridiculous moves... if you've been chased by a baseless but obsessive worry, you'd know what i mean.

i watched her doing one silly thing after another. talk to her devil and angel, decide she can blow on the pages of a diary and read, somehow that would make her act of intrusion and sheer wrong mindedness less ugly. she ran into the store room and started yelping about his purana chakkar... the look on her face made me pause.

there was real tension and frenzy there.

khushi has not had an entirely smooth life. yes, she laughs, jokes, makes jalebis, loves deeply, is willing to do anything for her family, even get engaged to shyam, even marry a man who openly threatens her, gives her no choice... but there is perhaps a vulnerable side to her, an inner bit that always worries about things going wrong, especially with those she loves. she can't bear to hear babu ji may have to mortgage his shop, she can't let her jiji cry without running out to fix things, she loves with all of herself, holding nothing back... not even something to fall back on, in case things go wrong.

she has never fallen in love before and never has anyone given her the sense that she has complete right over him... her huq. arnav ji is not a substitute family, not her dil ka rishtey. he is her dil.

he is everything to her at one level. this kind of relationship is brand new to her. perhaps given the loss she has faced early in life, makes her fear just a bit, even if unconsciously. and when something involves arnav ji, she is not really rational about it.

this can happen. in fact, this does happen with lovers. they can't think straight in certain situations, any hint of threat to their world and the mind starts drawing all sorts of bizarre pictures.

what if ... what if... what if... shrieks through the mind the heart the gut.

you can't just shake it off.

khushi is in that state.

sanaya is a consummate actress and when she acts with barun she is even better than that. i understand that khushi would express her obsessive fear in her own unique way... there will be signs of sanka in it.

sanka... not slapstick.

and there would be a crazily beautiful tenderness too, a nuttiness... not silliness.

in episode two when she returns to gomti sadan, the look on her face... so so real. she is sorry, she is tired, she is beaten by the whole thing, she is scared, she is aghast that she couldn't solve jiji's problem, and she is so damn innocent and brave. i bet if you asked her then would she do it again, she'd say yes, she wouldn't change a thing. that was a mad charge too.

here an obsession sparked mad charge.

if only they had written it with care. i am sure there would be no peon scene, no every member of the family yelling aarav is mini asr, no madhura naik as sheetal, no basketball (he raised the level of mercury to levels pretty dangerous, but even then, it was just not him), no hey big guy cutie pie conversations from asr,

and if there were indeed a dna test, an extreme action in itself, it would have come about differently.

"wahi toh, wahi toh, humare muhalle mein fancy dress pratiyogita hai..."

that's it, that's it, there's a fancy dress competition in our neighbourhood, said khushi to aarav in her full peon gear, mustache in place... and i thought of the first episode, that thing about fancy dress, khushi always willing to play with the truth a bit, her life constantly pushing some fancy dress on her... only one man who loves her as she is... what if this little fellow is really his son... what if he takes arnav ji away from her... what if... what if...

yes, these episodes are impossible and they could have been unforgettable.


what if's Indi di.. So, many of them.. what if he finally gets to show the world his talent? Am so scared he won't..

Somehow, I kept remembering the misunderstanding on the terrace and how what followed chap gaya on our minds.. this misunderstanding only made me sad. you are right. In love .. one is not really sensible and logical. and Khushi with all her love and haq in Arnavji would be scared. Even he was. But, the peon and basketball and lying and silliness.. everything was tainted and spoilt..
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Posted: 9 years ago
^^^

yes, rhea... no basketball, no peon, no cutesiepie stuff, but an obsessive worry, fear, and sanka, with crazy amounts of pyaar. makes me swallow hard, the very thought of it.

what if... yeah, i worry too... that talent. really. wonder what gets in the way.

thanks much much for reading. will reply soon.

i think we have just passed the last real asr khushi moments... poolside at kc. sigh, the last 19 episodes. i feel sad and i feel bad. they are really weak episodes, yet ipk ends again, how not to feel the sadness.
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Posted: 9 years ago
^^^

Atleast a few things are for hamesha for real... our pyaar for the show and for each other here..

rabba ve Indi di.. sad and wailing or happy and humming...

but for hamesha.. samjhi tum?

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