IF Readers' Code of Conduct

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Folks, I was thrust into a reflective mood about film and television not too long ago. About actors and their lives in particular. And about the way the Internet has revolutionized the actor-fan-critic relationship.

What set me thinking was a report I read recently about the suicidal deaths of a total of 3 (or is it 4?) actors within a year (I believe most were females). Some of you are familiar with the names of these actors – Vaishnavi is one name that comes to mind though I haven't the foggiest idea what she looks like. [Please see remarks by psychologist C. R. Celin in the story at the link below; I have also reproduced the entire story in the next post in case you are unable to retrieve the original story dated November 2006, I believe.]

http://www.newindpress.com/Sunday/sundayitems.asp?id=SEH2006 0511080700&eTitle=Cover+Story&rLink=0

That report suggested that depression was a cause of death in at least one of the cases. I don't know what the fundamental factor was behind that actor's depression (perhaps it was a failure in love). But I started wondering to what extent actors get personally affected by some of the feedback they are receiving through forums like this.

Some months ago, as our Anandham readers began hitting out at not only Cheyar but also a child artiste for the extended Abhi-Karthik-Indhu saga, I began to squirm, especially when some of the remarks bordered on the personal. Indhu (or whatever her name is) is just a child. If she were to read comments referring to her as Indhu Kutti Satan and suggestions that she is not cute, she would have been deeply troubled.

Actors should be mature enough to know that most of our comments do make a distinction between the actor and the characters they portray. Our comments are often directed not at the actors but at the characters they portrayed. For instance, the actor who played the old Joe would have known that we hated the character's put-on accent and other traits.

We do occasionally pass cavalier comments about actors being fat or ugly and what not. This is where our criticism borders on the personal and can hit raw nerves, especially when we harp on those views repeatedly, post after post. Often we think we are only trying to offer constructive criticism. (I, for one, have been guilty of criticising actress Vandhana/Priya for her dressing and even inattention to facial care but I said that with good intention. Likewise, I believe Caryn the barbarian's comments about Priya's hairstyle were made with good intention. Vandhana has certainly improved her wardrobe, hairstyle, makeup and even her manicure as a result.) But we can never know for sure how these actors take such comments.

I hope we continue to connect with one another and with our favourite stars like Saakshi Sivaa through this forum. I hope we continue to engage in banter through this forum and to offer constructive comments. But I also hope we all exercise some degree of responsibility. Likewise, I hope actors and other film crew who read these comments take them with grace and perceive them as constructive. I know every iota of an actor's being comes under intense public scrutiny, which can be unsettling, but they need to deal with a professional choice they have made.

All told, I would never be at peace with myself if an actor were ever to take his or her life or do something else drastic as a result of some light-hearted comment I made in this forum.

Undoubtedly, on several occasions, IF readers have responded vehemently to reader comments that border on topics deemed sensitive to some of them. I, for one, have been ticked off on two occasions for making comments that some readers found offensive. However, few people come to the defence of actors/actresses and few actors/actresses actually participate in the forum even though they may be avidly reading it for feedback.

I would therefore urge all readers to take a moment or two to reflect on how difficult an actor's personal life must be with all the public scrutiny he or she is subjected to, what sort of emotional pressures they may be undergoing, and how we can be more sensitive in making comments.

And, I hope our collective reflections can lead to the development of a code of conduct that spells out the need for responsibility in making comments.

Best wishes to all; keep those posts coming ...

Bonheur

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Newindiapress on Sunday

Role life, reel life by Kamini Mathai

No woman who has watched the Tamil soap Manaivi can forget Malasri, the psychotic character with a childish voice and eerie laugh. Neither can Latha Rao, the actress who played the role. Though the serial ended a couple of months ago, Malasri's role-life voice and laughter stayed on with Latha. Until one day, Latha's mother told her very firmly to quit the act. It was only then that the actress was jolted into real life.

All the while Latha was trying to deal with Malasri, Deepak, another 26-year-old cast in the same serial, was trying his best not to become MLA Arasu. From the first episode of Manaivi to the last one, Deepak played the abrasive MLA. By episode 250, he won a 'Best Villain for 2004' TV award. By episode 450, he began to wonder if he truly was MLA Arasu. ''It was a harsh character,'' says Deepak. ''And I realised I was turning into him and speaking rudely to people. It scared me.'' But once the serial was over, the MLA wore off and Deepak returned to normal.

Psychologist CR Celin says one of the biggest problems TV serial actors (especially the younger lot) face is how to deal with the real life-reel life haze they are thrown into. She says that since August last year, when the Chinnathrai Nadigar Sangam (TV Artistes Union) in Chennai hired her to conduct a mass counselling session for its members, she has been inundated with phone calls from actors seeking help on how to deal with their high-stress lives.

Rajendran, the secretary of the Sangam, says they felt the need for counselling as two young actors — Charukesh and Shalini — had committed suicide earlier that year. Around 350 actors attended Celin's one-hour session of psychotherapy and transcendental meditation.

''Some Tamil serials continue for years and some actors play the role of husband and wife or lovers for years. There is an automatic attraction. They can't help it. The affairs begin and with them, the stress. The married ones don't know how to tell their spouses about their affair and the younger lot can't let their parents find out. The same thing happens in the software-BPO industry but those cases don't make it to newspaper headlines as the love lives of actors do. As a result, the actors are under constant stress,'' says Celin.

''You can't blame these youngsters,'' says CJ Bhasker, one of the busiest 'mega serial' directors in Tamil Nadu. ''Acting in serials is very different from the movies. In a movie, other than the hero, none of the other artistes are present for more than 10-15 days of the shoot. Members of the cast don't interact much. They see each other for short periods, do their bit and leave. In a serial, you play a character for months on end, sometimes for more than a year. A man and a woman have intimate scenes. They literally live in one house together. Something's bound to happen.''

Like it did with Latha. In the Tamil serial Rekkai Kattiya Manasu she played the love interest of the character played by Rajkamal Rao, the lead actor in the soap. ''His was the main track, I was the sub-track, but in life we got on the same track,'' she says. Meaning the two married almost as soon as the serial ended.

But the on-site love affairs don't always have happy endings. Two other actors — Vaishnavi and Dev Anand — played lovers in two Tamil serials (Manaivi and Malarkkal) and fell in love in real life too. Only Dev Anand was married, things got out of hand, and Vaishnavi ended up committing suicide a month ago. Newspaper reports had it that Dev Anand was an obsessive lover going to the extent of slitting his forearm to express his love. Ironically, in the serial too, Dev Anand's character was obsessive. And married.

Like Bhasker says, the young actors get sucked into a life they cannot handle. Celin says the situation is worsened by the fact that they don't have anyone to talk to. ''None of them spoke up at the counselling session,'' says Celin. ''They preferred to call or meet me in private because of the stigma attached to the word 'counseling'. And because of the fact that they did not want anyone from the industry to know they were having problems."

Celin says that from her conversations with them she has come to realise that most of the young actors in the industry are from middle class and lower middle class families that haven't seen a lot of money. So when they see their children bringing home Rs 40-50,000 a month, they start looking at them as money machines.

"The children then don't get the attention they need. They grow up a lot faster and begin to look for attention and relationships outside of home. And because of parental pressure to bring home more money the only place they see outside of home is the set. They work 9 am to 9 pm, 30 days a month. That's why they begin relationships with co-stars. Sometimes it works out well, but a lot of the times it is a disaster,'' she adds.

TV actor Mohan Ram, who has been in the industry for years, agrees with Celin. ''Most youngsters, especially actresses in TV — where there is a constant dearth for talented pretty girls — quickly make the grade (Rs 1,500 to Rs 3,000 a day) and the income transforms them to the prime earner status. They end up being completely removed from the environment they grew up in,'' says Ram. ''On becoming affluent, the family tends to up its lifestyle and there's more pressure on these kids. The worst aspect is that income is extremely uncertain... a move in the field of politics can result in the closing of a serial rendering several actors / technicians with a serious dent in their monthly income. A drop in ratings can even get your character 'killed'. Unfortunately, these youngsters tend to get more and more distanced from the 'real' world.''

But there are those others who refused to get sucked into the maelstrom. Actor Brinda Das, for example. ''My neighbours sometimes call me Abirami, one of the characters I play. I've received calls at home blasting me for something my character has done. Just because I play a negative character it doesn't make me one. Once the make-up comes off you've got to get back to reality.''

Uncertainity is the biggest stress factor for older actresses, says Celin. ''They find that one moment their career is soaring and the next, they are left with no roles. But while their career was on the rise, they would have taken a number of loans and bought a number of things. Now, with no roles they still have the payments to make. And that can sometimes drive them to suicide. I also found that the women in the industry are more stressed than the men. One actress called me recently saying she was going to get married and did not know how to balance her personal and professional life. The stress was getting to her.''

But Latha insists if you want to be an actress and married, the TV industry is the only place that takes you in. ''The only reason my parents agreed to let me act was because it was for TV serials. My father is a retired government employee, and my mother, a housewife. They were very nervous about me entering the industry.'' She says that when they realised that the TV audience is predominantly female and therefore there was no need to expose to boost viewership, they were relieved. ''Since women are my audience they don't care if I am married. But can a married woman get starring roles in the film world?'' asks Latha.

But, says leading soap director Logannathan (name changed), just because the women are always immaculately draped in silk sarees on screen, it does not mean there is no dirt off it.

The TV industry, like the film industry, has two faces. There's the beautiful world of glamour, fame, and mountains of money. TV stars can make up to Rs 35,000 and more a day. Middle level actors can make Rs 5,000 a day and a good majority make around Rs 3,000 a day. But then there are the junior level artistes who make just about Rs 250 a day.

''It's not even enough to pay their phone bills,'' says Loganathan. And that's where the other world comes into focus. ''Some of these girls act in serials only because it allows them to hike their rates as prostitutes,'' he says. ''It's a fact. Just a hushed-up one.''

He claims it is the real reason for another actor, Charukesh, committing suicide (in December 2004). Although the media reported it as debt and depression that drove him to the brink, Logannathan says the whole industry knows it was because he was arrested for being involved in a prostitution racket.

Charukesh apparently managed to bribe his way out, but was later harassed by certain members of the police force to provide ''services''. Logannathan says he kept trying to pay them off to but they continued to demand ''attention'', and a desperate Charukesh finally threw himself in front of a speeding suburban train.

But Brinda, a colleague of both Vaishnavi and Charukesh, says she still cannot comprehend why they decided suicide was the only way out. ''If they have the courage to die, why don't they have the courage to face life?'' is all she can say.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Well said Bon! 👏 👏 👏

This is what I have been harping about since Satish told us about the life the actors and actresses lead. Critising little children like Indhu and Kaveri (Arase) is what we all are guilty of one way or the other. We as in IFians, were indirectly emotionally abusing them. Actually these two young girls should be praised for potraying such role and not only that they carry out it very well to the extend it irritated the audience.

The blame actually should lie with the directors.

Thanks for the info, Bon. Maybe now all of us in this forum use our discretion or think twice before saying things out loud.
Edited by Caryn - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Well, Bon and Caryn, guess this is a moot point. Much as I
agree that criticisms must not go over board, I am not able to
understand some thing!!!! If the portrayals affect them so much
why go along??? Why can't they voice their fears and opinions
to the serial makers/directors??? Why can't they turn the stories
to depict positive stuff??? In the first place, I can not fathom why
they agree to play door mats and dumb women??? If they are ready
to compromise for the sake of money, then they have no
rights to complain!!!! In Kasthuri serial, the lead actress was pregnant
in real life and was crying through out - almost until she
delivered - for the serial!!! I was aghast and raised this query in that
thread!!! In fact, if all the actresses put their foot down and
refuse to play such demeaning/dumb/unworthy roles, we would get
to watch some positive stories providing solutions to existing problems!!!
In the case of the child artists, where are the parents??? Honestly, If I were
to get the world on my palms for letting my children play such roles, I
would gladly turn away the offer - my children and their happiness mean
much more to me than the pay pocket they bring!!! All these hue and cry
about being misused holds no water - let them accept that they would
do any thing for money - which is a fact and is all open to the eyes of any
sane/literate/mature person to see. It is another thing that responsible
people like us should not stoop to their level and make unworthy
comments. I for one, (if I had made any such comment) will not hide
behind a lame excuse of being driven by the serials to that point - I will
accept my
weakness and make all efforts to correct myself - also, all the comments
made here by any of us is about the characters and nothing personal - I
really wish that the actors/actresses/directors/producers/channel
personnel/ sponsors take our comments seriously and do some thing to
make this world a better place to live!!!!
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Roja, your points are valid but these are separate issues. I am sure some of the actors with personal psychological problems may not necessarily be playing negative roles that demean women. They could well be playing positive or uncontroversial roles and yet may have other problems -- perhaps financial problems, a love affair gone sour and any number of problems. And reading mean comments about their acting or even appearance in such mental states may be unhelpful. That's all I meant to say; let's treat actors like real people who deserve some respect.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Roja,

I agree with all your points. Yes, I do get angry over the way women and children are potrayed in the serial. Why even the way men are portrayed. But again sitting in front of the t.v, we do not know what is happening behind t.v.

The same questions you have said, I have argued about this with Satish from Muhutram. I am not sure if you were participating in that thread. When we were overly critising the serial itself, Satish at one point lashed out at us to the extend he told us no one is forcing you to watch the serial. You can stop it, he said. Literally. Then the rest of us pratically told him where to jump. 😊 Then he came back with an apology. He then told us, what is happening behind the camera, etc.

If I am not mistaken, Satish told us he had some misgivings with Directors, which included the woes from IF. Next mo, he was a marked person, and he was sent away from Muhutram on a business trip to Dubai and was brought back when the serial about to end (for 2 episodes only).

After his problem with the Muhutram director, all other directors heard about it, so his chances in serials went down the tube. I think after Roja, you are yet to see him in other serials. Well, I haven't seen him in night time serials.

Meanwhile, Satish had a wife to support and no money, he had to take modelling and extra in movies. Although he is not making much. But as an actor, he said he had his principles too, but he is the bread winner of the family, he said he too need to do some compromise. That is the sad life.

He also told us, how parents allow their daughters to prostitute themselves for the sake of money. Our parents would not do that.

Actresses can put their foot down, but if they do, they are replaceable. Do you see Radhika acting for any other production company, except her own. She is in charge and yet..... she potrays the women such a way. The same to be said of Ekta. But in reality, isn't this what happens in India?

Most of us in this forum have moved away from India, staying in town, in high rise condos/apts and have travelled and we view the world differently. But there are millions of women who are in India who haven't got that opportunity. Even if they have, they have not moved on. Take one good example of one of IFian who is an Indian but residing in overseas. She keeps harping about her life and she is very annoying when she keeps harping about the serial itself. She is so attached to the serial that she is asking personal questions and gets annoyed if no one replies to it.

The millions of women in India are identifying themselves with the serial women. That is why Kolangal, Kasturi and the likes are on NO. 1 spot even though you and I don't watch it.

This is just my view on what is going on although I don't advocate it.

To change the serial, viewers must change first. As long as there are "supporters", serials like Kolangal will make into the No. 1 spot.
Edited by Caryn - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Caryn, all of us work for our living - we have
no unions or associations to protect our rights!!
We also go through problems at work but find a way
to manage, don't we??? We do
not pass the blame on to some other factor/person!!
We claim responsibility and get solutions by ourselves.
Coming to think of it, the viewers are doing a favor to
all these people - a collective boycott from a large
section, will lead to total unemployment for these people!!! And, we comment only on the characters/story/
direction etc., - nothing personal. They need to learn
to cope and protect personal life from professional
hassles - like one whole load of people do all over the
world!!!
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Posted: 17 years ago
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i think all of you guys are correct - because we all have different views - their job is to act and they can choose a good story if they want to . again your personal strength and weakness. ok we are living differnt countries didn't we face a lot of problems language, food, workplace, lifestyle and so much more. we are commenting so they can learn at least give little input to the directors - do you think Devajani, Radika, Kushpoo need money - so why they are poraying doormats or worse. again the parents should choose the good story for children and we can't blame the children because they can't think themselves so they are just following director or parents. directors & parents should be punished for this kind of roles. i stopped watching serials and only read the update here thatway i don't get mad at character or the director. my husband telling me why do you watch it if you hate the character or serial. so finally i decided that i am wasting my money & time for what?

we have right to comment but they need to take it rationally. each year i will get my performance from my manager like that we are giving our opinion and if the actors stand up for good story the directors have no choice but to follow it.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Caryn, Bon, Roja, Kalki, I agree with all your comments, but my question is whether the actresses/actors can voice their opinions to the director and producers. As Caryn has mentioned, Satish's role was cut drastically when he made his position known, and now it looks as if his career has gone south. Since they also have to act for a living, they also swallow their pride and continue to act their roles, even if it is a role like Kasthuri's and the actress is pushed on the ground, even when she is eight or nine months pregnant in real life. The problem lies with the producers and directors of these shows and they are the ones who should accept responsibility and come forward to produce clean good shows. Can we not have good family shows like the Cosby show or Full House? We have lots of good seasoned comedians, surely they can come up with wholesome family shows. I think it is upto us in this forum to somehow convey the message to the producers that we do not like these shows and we need better shows.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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wow ...good job you all buddies....very detailed discussion. Thank Bon opening tis thread.

Keep up the good discusson buddies. I really wish this kind of stuff will be read by our stars.

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