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Posted: 9 years ago
Wish a happy healthy wealthy wish fulfilling creative 2016 to all my friends. 😃


Been mostly inactive & missing lot of episodes recently. Thanks Babur for the tip, watched episode on repeat and enjoyed.

I really liked someone ticking off Ashok. Lately it seemed like whatever he does, cos he does it no repercussions or bad effects. The stronger and canny-ier Keechak is shown the more interesting it gets. It is Magadh and Taxashila not a banana republic to be won over a silly fight.

Hope we finally get THINKING crafty plotting Ashok.


I still don't like KVK, the actor playing the part as well as the character both. Maybe also that I so don't want any romance in this important political track when finally away from Pataliputra!
I don't remember which episode but Ashok giving her moony look made me squirm, she is a kid and it just creeps me out to think about romance between them.

KVK is not interesting for me, I don't care about her story at all. If there is overdose of KVK I will skip episodes.


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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Where is Radhagupt. ...??


On his way to Taxilla still. 😆

Enjoyed the episode. However. Let me point out some bloopers.

1. Hindu Kush was a name given by the Muslim invaders. Being the descendant of one I can assure you that. 😆

2. The word Mohur is Farsi. I think the sanskrit word is Mudra.

3. Still not getting the logic of why and how would a Kalinga King go all the way to Taxilla on a suicide mission.
Edited by babur1527 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Forgot to make a New thread for this month so here it is. 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: babur1527

Hindu Kush was a name given by the Muslim invaders. Being the descendant of one I can assure you that.😆


Hindu Kush basically means "killing field of Hindus". I have heard two theories about the origin of the name:

(1) It refers to the original massacres of the native population of that area by Muslim invaders.

(2) It refers to the deaths of a large number of Hindu captives from India who were being marched to the slave markets of the Middle East and died in those harsh mountains.

I cannot tell you which one is more correct. Babur, what did your ancestors tell you? 😊
Edited by AKT.JA - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: AKT.JA



Hindu Kush basically means "killing field of Hindus". I have heard two theories about the origin of the name:

(1) It refers to the original massacres of the native population of that area by Muslim invaders.

(2) It refers to the deaths of a large number of Hindu captives from India who were being marched to the slave markets of the Middle East and died in those harsh mountains.

I cannot tell you which one is more correct. Babur, what did your ancestors tell you?



The word Kush is a derivation of the word Caucasus. Alexander and the Greeks named that particular area as Caucasus of the Indus.

The first Muslim invaders who were originally Arabs used to call this area Kuh e Hind referring to the mountain pass. The word Hindu was used by Muslim rulers to define/address the people living around or beyond the Indus river. Hind is basically Arabic for Indus.

Since the establishment of the Delhi Sultanate the area in question was known as Kush e Hind or Hindu Kush. Through which incursions into India were made by Muslim armies.

Later Mongol-Turkic rulers, who were known for their brutality probably used the term for the cases you are referring to.

The first case was when Timur Leng invaded India and erected skull towers everywhere.

The second case probably occurred when Nader Shah's men were transferring Hindu(native Indians including Muslims, Sikh and Buddhist) captives over the mountains after Delhi was sacked.
Edited by babur1527 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Oh yes, I forgot about this third theory. However my common sense leads me to suspect it as rooted in the politically convenient sophistry that we South Asians tend to prefer over objective truth. I trust kush = killing, as in khud-kushi which is common all over South Asia and means suicide. The 14th century Arab traveler/writer Ibn Batuta said the term meant Hindu-killer. Local Afghan populations has also attributed the same meaning for centuries.

Wikipedia collects several options:

[quote]The origins of the name Hindu Kush are uncertain, with multiple theories being propounded by different scholars and writers. In the time of Alexander the Great, the Hindu Kush range was referred to as the Caucasus Indicus or the "Caucasus of the Indus River" (as opposed to the Greater Caucasus range between the Caspian and Black Seas), and some past authors have considered this as a possible derivation of the name Hindu Kush. Hind Kh () and Kh-e Hind ( ) usually applied to the entire range separating the basins of the Kabul and Helmand Rivers from that of the Amu Darya, or, more specifically, to that part of the range lying northwest of Kabul.
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The Persian-English dictionary[11] indicates that the word 'ko' [ko] is derived from the verb ('kotan' [kotn]), meaning to kill. Although the derivation is only a possible one, some authors have proposed the meaning "Kills the Hindu" for "Hindu Kush", a derivation that is reproduced in Encyclopedia Americana which says that the name Hindu Kush means "kills the Hindu" and is a reminder of the days when Indian slaves from the Indian subcontinent died in the harsh weather typical of the Afghan mountains while being transported to Central Asia.[12] The World Book Encyclopedia states that "the name Kush ... means Death",[13] while Encyclopdia Britannica says "The name Hindu Kush first appears in 1333 AD in the writings of Ibn Battutah, the medieval Berber traveller, who said the name meant 'Hindu Killer', a meaning still given by Afghan mountain dwellers who are traditional enemies of Indian plainsmen."[14]

The word Koh or Kuh means "mountain" in some local language Khowar. According to Nigel Allan, Hindu Kush meant both "mountains of India" and "sparkling snows of India", as he notes, from a Central Asian perspective.[15][/quote]
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Guys I have a question.
Btw m sanskruta.

If K's father was a king shouldn't she be addressed as rajkumari K or something like that by the kings friend?
And the king is addressed by his first name 😕
No raja nothing...

So is he a king 😕
Or is it a blooper?
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: babur1527


On his way to Taxilla still. 😆

Enjoyed the episode. However. Let me point out some bloopers.

1. Hindu Kush was a name given by the Muslim invaders. Being the descendant of one I can assure you that. 😆

2. The word Mohur is Farsi. I think the sanskrit word is Mudra.

3. Still not getting the logic of why and how would a Kalinga King go all the way to Taxilla on a suicide mission.


Fourth and the biggest one by far: The word or title "Chakravartin Raj" was a markedly Buddhist concept, which meant 'King who kept the wheels of justice turning'. No non-Buddhist, least of all Chanakya and pre-Kalinga Ashok, could've uttered or even known the term. 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: AKT.JA

Oh yes, I forgot about this third theory. However my common sense leads me to suspect it as rooted in the politically convenient sophistry that we South Asians tend to prefer over objective truth. I trust kush = killing, as in khud-kushi which is common all over South Asia and means suicide. The 14th century Arab traveler/writer Ibn Batuta said the term meant Hindu-killer. Local Afghan populations has also attributed the same meaning for centuries.

Wikipedia collects several options:

[quote]The origins of the name Hindu Kush are uncertain, with multiple theories being propounded by different scholars and writers. In the time of Alexander the Great, the Hindu Kush range was referred to as the Caucasus Indicus or the "Caucasus of the Indus River" (as opposed to the Greater Caucasus range between the Caspian and Black Seas), and some past authors have considered this as a possible derivation of the name Hindu Kush. Hind Kh () and Kh-e Hind ( ) usually applied to the entire range separating the basins of the Kabul and Helmand Rivers from that of the Amu Darya, or, more specifically, to that part of the range lying northwest of Kabul.
...

The Persian-English dictionary[11] indicates that the word 'ko' [ko] is derived from the verb ('kotan' [kotn]), meaning to kill. Although the derivation is only a possible one, some authors have proposed the meaning "Kills the Hindu" for "Hindu Kush", a derivation that is reproduced in Encyclopedia Americana which says that the name Hindu Kush means "kills the Hindu" and is a reminder of the days when Indian slaves from the Indian subcontinent died in the harsh weather typical of the Afghan mountains while being transported to Central Asia.[12] The World Book Encyclopedia states that "the name Kush ... means Death",[13] while Encyclopdia Britannica says "The name Hindu Kush first appears in 1333 AD in the writings of Ibn Battutah, the medieval Berber traveller, who said the name meant 'Hindu Killer', a meaning still given by Afghan mountain dwellers who are traditional enemies of Indian plainsmen."[14]

The word Koh or Kuh means "mountain" in some local language Khowar. According to Nigel Allan, Hindu Kush meant both "mountains of India" and "sparkling snows of India", as he notes, from a Central Asian perspective.[15][/quote]


I suspect the term is a combination of both, and that both derivations have their share in defining the name.

A similar kind of duality surrounds the origin of the word 'Hindu'. While the most common postulation is that it is a Persian-Greek perversion of 'Sindhu', others suggest that the word actually denoted, 'cunning', 'nefarious', 'lazy' and numerous such pejoratives in the Arab-Persian vocabulary.

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