Shivam- the laughable male of the house

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shivam seems to embody the worst sides of both his parents. From his mum he has chosen to embody inaction and the complete opposite of common sense and from his dad, blind anger and over reaction. He is unable to strike a balance and not the kind of man to keep a family united and together. I'm not the first to say this and I wont be the last, but from his behaviour he is the kind of person who has swallowed his dadi's abuse not just toward himself and his sisters but toward his mother too. Not even a handful of times in the entire show have I seen him take a stand against his dadi for his mum. Forget Riya for a moment- because this issue goes well beyond and before she came into the picture. Shivam has always been unable to protect his mum and sisters whether it be from his dad, Amit (just after Shivam and Riya's wedding when he threatened to hit Nimmi as just one example) or from Shanti. Time and time again I have seen him stand idly by watching ""helplessly"" as the women in his family are undermined and emotionally abused. Never mind that these women allow themselves to be treated this way- lets put that aside too because that's a whole other issue. I am talking about Shivam taking up the responsibility of a grown adult male who will one day supposedly take over his dad's role (whatever that is, since he always seems to be AWOL during the most significant times! But...at least Rahav has ""some"" excuse of not knowing what is going on- what is Shivam's??). After seeing the last several episodes he has only justified my belief that he is an utterly useless male role model in any sense. Not only was he emotionally abusing his wife, he has raised his hand on a woman due to blind and ignorant anger- he then stood idly by as his ill (and ridiculous) mother started pouring pitchers of ice cold water on herself. Riya was maintaining her self-respect (everyone needs to take a leaf out of her book- if every one did the same then Shanti wouldn't get even a sliver of an opportunity to abuse everyone the way she is- when you respect yourself you respect others and if everyone of them respected themselves they would be capable of respecting each other and so Shanti wouldn't even get a chance to do her evil mischief- but as it stands that family is totally fragmented and self-demeaning) and the rest of them were just watching, mouths agape at their mum chucking Niagara Falls on herself. This isn't Riya's responsibility or duty to step in and apologise for something she didn't do wrong- by doing that she will perpetuate Shanti's belief in getting away with everything. No, she did well to stand her ground- in the long run Shanti's faith in her own success at destroying everyone will crumble as a result. But what did Kaushalya's own children do about the situation? In an ideal world not one of them would agree or allow another to pour water on themselves- but we are talking about the Shrivastavs here so that's too much to ask. So...Why didn't Nimmi step in and boldly announce to everyone that she refuses to take the blame BUT she will pour the water on herself? Why didn't Preeti do that or indeed Shivam? Shivam was the only male (laughable) there and he stood by impotently watching his mum. All three children knew exactly what was going to happen- they cant be that thick after being in countless situations like this where their mum always takes the brunt of the punishment- they knew that their mum wouldn't allow Shanti to take the punishment and would take it on herself. So where were they for her? They tout at how much their mum means everything to them- but even Nimmi said grudgingly and petulantly "why should I take the punishment?". Riya said with self-assertion and self-respect "why should I take the punishment?" Preeti stood quiet and pointless as usual. And Shivam- the one who actually caused the whole mess in the first place all because he flew off the handle and acted before he thought things through (even after Riya repeatedly told him to be sensible and find out the facts first- EVEN though he practically ordered Riya to keep out of it and let him deal with it)...he did nothing! Absolutely nothing! It was a joke and so utterly self-emasculating that it was embarrassing to watch. He may as well have chopped it off himself, honestly! His dad would have physically intervened and stopped that nonsense right there and then (probably followed by lots of shouting at people who didn't deserve it, but that too is another issue) but at least he would have stopped it altogether. I cant imagine Raghav allowing any of them to pour water on themselves, whatever the other consequences might have been. So first Shivam lol nominates his wife to take the blame and punishment for something he did wrong and then is in shock when she stands up for herself...and then he watches like an impotent fool as his mum punishes herself for something that had absolutely nothing to do with her. He's the man, he's healthy, young and in the absence of his dad the head of the family. He (according to culture and tradition) should be protecting the women in his family- so why didn't he step up, man up and say "hey I don't believe anyone is to be blamed but myself because I flew off the handle without finding out the facts, but I'll be damned before any one of you throws water on yourself while I am here. I will do it and no one can stop me. If you expect me to take dad's responsibilities in his absence then stand out of my way and lets get on with it". For heavens sake- it would have been dealt with in a mature manner (as mature as you can get if you agree to chuck water on yourself). Poor Shivam; he is still a child and its not even his fault really. His father has taught him a destructive melange of behaviours- how to be subservient (only to those he hasn't the guts to speak up to) and angry and controlling (as long as it serves his needs) and his mother has taught him the complete opposite of sensibility. He didn't really have a hope in hell. Maybe Riya can help him grow up- but honestly if someone doesn't want to see another way of life that is better for all, then she cant help him. I love the way Riya has been standing her ground the last few times- words don't teach, life experience does. If she can just show them by her own example that she wont give in to someone no matter what when she knows she's not wrong then hopefully that will influence them to use their own brains and finally unite as a family against Shanti. But this is MAM 😆 and in the world of MAM absolutely nothing follows logic or sense or how things would actually develop and change in real life.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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So glad .. Riya finally took a stand ..
Shivam 😡
Nimmi would know only after she goes through the same n then she ll become best friends with her bhabhi ..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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👏 👏 Very well said indeed!
Would like to highlight these points of yours:
Poor Shivam; he is still a child and its not even his fault really. His father has taught him a destructive melange of behaviours- how to be subservient (only to those he hasn't the guts to speak up to) and angry and controlling (as long as it serves his needs) and his mother has taught him the complete opposite of sensibility. He didn't really have a hope in hell. Maybe Riya can help him grow up- but honestly if someone doesn't want to see another way of life that is better for all, then she cant help him.
My take on the above points is -you're absolutely right about Shivam's parents
and how they have influenced his character. As for riya helping him grow- in
my opinion, it is possible to 'make grow' those who have yet to grow , but it is impossible
to turn back the clock and 'ungrow' people who have already grown up wrongly-
with wrong beliefs & attitudes. Large trees with deformities cannot be turned back
into small saplings just so we may shape them nicely. This is the case with Shivam.
But because this is a TV show, a wife in a few days/months can undo all the damage done by
decades of bad upbringing.😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shivam 😡was very disaapointing today with his angry looks but he crossed every boundary when he was raised his hand to Riya.
Do not like this show anymore and can no longer wait for Riya realization to take place
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I absolutely agree, everything you wrote was downright perfect! Shivam is a character that with every episode I despise even more.
He seems to live in his own world where his feelings are only justified, and his feelings only matter. He claims to love his family so much, but I don't see him defending them from the brunt of his Dadi. Not him, Preeti or Nimmi stood in for their mom, yet Riya is only questioned about it.

And he actually has the audacity to raise his hand at Riya for speaking the truth. He can't even handle the truth, he just want to live in his own little merry world and it has become annoying. He starts the entire problem, but then blames it on everyone else. He can't even own up to his own mistakes. And he expects his wife to idly sit by while Nimmi, Preeti, his mom, Dadi, and he himself constantly berate her? Does she not emotions? Is she not human? She isn't a someone who will follow your every command. She is person as well. And maybe your house produces brainless people incapable of rational thinking, but not everyone else is like that.

And he tells Riya to take care of the home rather than focusing at work. Oh hello idiot, practice what you preach! Riya was spot on that Shivam never considers doing housework for his mom, or just plain housework. But Riya is expected to pull a double shift between work and home within a month of her wedding without hitch? Again he seems to live in his reality. This show wants to advocate progressive thoughts but seems to fail at every single front! This isn't the show I signed up for.

The only almost saving grace part of the episode was when Kushiya was telling Nimmi how Riya must feel when everyone is against her. But it was completely ruined by Nimmi's idiotic remarks. The girl doesn't care about anyone's perspective but her own and she thinks she will become a good daughter in law that keeps her family together.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shivam cannot be redeemed in my eyes anymore. He is the worst husband of all Star plus shows. I cannot tolerate him on screen anymore! I have no idea what Riya saw in him to marry him!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@ cbcd86, Leela, soapliker, Regal, neel_jay, thank you all for replying. Lol! I cant believe the response on this forum to the recent episodes on Shivam. There's a literal outcry of protestation over what the hell they are airing! I'm so confused where they are taking this show and its honestly seeming more like a dark comedy than an actual meaningful drama. Oh how I miss the first couple of weeks where we were all looking forward to Riya kicking some Shrivastav butt! I just cant take any of them seriously anymore... The only person I have an ounce of respect for is Riya- but seriously, if she keeps taking the advice of the likes of Bunty (Bunty what happened to you?! You were supposed to support her not tell her to grin and bear it while her family abuses her!?) and she keeps swallowing all this crap from her husband and Sils and Mil then even that little bit of respect I had for her is doing a vanishing act!

@ Leela, well put with the analogy of the deformed tree, I liked it! I think unless Shivam is willing to look at himself and his family objectively then some progress can be made. But he is stuck in some long forgotten age of depravity where its ok to use the newest member of the family as a scapegoat, where its ok to stand by and watch your mother abuse herself or its ok to allow others to abuse those you love in the name of respecting your elders and way of life. Its antiquated and so back in the dark ages- this respect-your-elders-no-matter-what business. But- even then- he is being a hypocrite about it. If youre going to proclaim that you're respecting your family's way of life then do it wholeheartedly mate, don't split hairs and take sides when it suits you. Shivam should support his Dadi's decisions, his mums decisions, his dad's decisions- he should nod enthusiastically like one of those bobble head dogs you used to see in the back of cars. He should embrace his awesome family's way of life, shout it to the heavens and advocate it to all those that look hopelessly on at the Shrivastavs. Why be ashamed? Why complain and whine and whinge about it to your wife and your sisters and your mum??? If you wont allow another person's self-respect or allow them to stand up for themselves because you ""love"" your family so much- then please stop complaining about your situation and be proud of your family. Smile Shivam- you love your amazing family who you would sell your soul to the devil for, so SMILE and be genuinely happy with your situation. Don't b*tch and moan every time something goes wrong just because you haven't got the guts or the balls to make a stand. He is indeed a deformed tree- no he is a deformed twiglet- not even an adult tree. Until he starts nourishing himself with a bit of that good sunlight and clean water that Riya can provide, he will continue to sink into the sludge of his ridiculous family's values.

@ Regal, I liked what you said about Shivam raising his hand to Riya because he couldn't handle the truth. His juvenile brain cannot fathom why she is saying and doing what she is saying and doing. She isn't there to insult or disrespect anyone but in his head if she doesn't just do as he says or how his mum says or his dadi (as HE has been doing his whole life, hence the total lack of masculinity in the man) then she is being disrespectful. You see, everyone else is allowed to be selfish enough to demand that Riya should change for them and acquiesce to their needs but Riya- how dare you be selfish enough to take care of your own self-respect first! Evil Riya! This is the problem everywhere we look- not just in this silly soap. People demand and try to control others' behaviours so that they can be pleased but how dare those people do what they need to do to find some peace and happiness in life. Not one of them is taking responsibility of controlling their own emotions but looking to Riya to make it all better for them. Shivam's display of violence and the threat looming over Riya with his big hairy sausage fingers didn't show how evil he is- it showed how insecure, vulnerable, scared and unpredictable he is. So girls? Are we still all swooning at the dashing Shivam? I certainly am not lol its more like ewww grow up pea brain.

And you said exactly what I was thinking with regards to Kushya telling Nimmi to put herself in Riyas shoes. For a split second I had a bit of respect for Kushya for trying to get that (what I think is a really important) point across to Nimmi- but before I could even blink the whole moment was ruined with Nimmi making light of it again. AND Khusiya not following it up or stressing that it wasn't funny or a laughing matter because her daughter is turning into a sociopath. Gods what is goings ons! Nimmi would make a horrid DIL and new addition to a family, the world would have to revolve around her like Sarla!

Edited by CoolBeans86 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: CoolBeans86

@ Regal, I liked what you said about Shivam raising his hand to Riya because he couldn't handle the truth. His juvenile brain cannot fathom why she is saying and doing what she is saying and doing. She isn't there to insult or disrespect anyone but in his head if she doesn't just do as he says or how his mum says or his dadi (as HE has been doing his whole life, hence the total lack of masculinity in the man) then she is being disrespectful. You see, everyone else is allowed to be selfish enough to demand that Riya should change for them and acquiesce to their needs but Riya- how dare you be selfish enough to take care of your own self-respect first! Evil Riya! This is the problem everywhere we look- not just in this silly soap. People demand and try to control others' behaviours so that they can be pleased but how dare those people do what they need to do to find some peace and happiness in life. Not one of them is taking responsibility of controlling their own emotions but looking to Riya to make it all better for them. Shivam's display of violence and the threat looming over Riya with his big hairy sausage fingers didn't show how evil he is- it showed how insecure, vulnerable, scared and unpredictable he is. So girls? Are we still all swooning at the dashing Shivam? I certainly am not lol its more like ewww grow up pea brain.

And you said exactly what I was thinking with regards to Kushya telling Nimmi to put herself in Riyas shoes. For a split second I had a bit of respect for Kushya for trying to get that (what I think is a really important) point across to Nimmi- but before I could even blink the whole moment was ruined with Nimmi making light of it again. AND Khusiya not following it up or stressing that it wasn't funny or a laughing matter because her daughter is turning into a sociopath. Gods what is goings ons! Nimmi would make a horrid DIL and new addition to a family, the world would have to revolve around her like Sarla!


@bold! It is so true! Riya has to change for them, but God forbid they have to make minute changes to adjust for her! It is beyond disgusting how they behave!

Shivam also seems to think that after yelling at Riya and then making googly eyes will someone fix everything. Fixing it requires communication. And when Riya communicates he acts like a chicken with his head cut off, or worse he actually raises his hand! Is fear how you want to rule?


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