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Posted: 9 years ago
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Here's my detailed analysis of today's Epi. Starting of with the positives:
We saw a jealous Manik and Aryaman drops the karela. Lovely shot. Goes to show Aryaman, regardless of his feelings for Nandini, is being a good friend and puts her feelings above all.

Manik is territorial when he walks upto Nandini and puts his arm around her. Nice move!
Dhruv asking for the lovebirds to have some space and time to themselves. (Duh! Shouldn't all the friends be aware of this)

Maniks ' I want to fulfill all your wishes', ' you are my inspiration' and ' this is my instrument' line to Nandini. Nicely penned!!

and ofcourse the Kisses.

Nandini's enthusiastic yippee and Maniks response to that.

Manik's expressions when he looks back at Nandini after the cops asks him to 'get lost'.

And now with the Negatives:

The song! Ugh! Where do I start?! It was terrible. The lyrics were ok..but with no music and mediocre singing, it sounded so offbeat and raw. I think Parth sounded better in uttus video than here. CVs need to stop trying to compose songs and use good existing Bollywood songs. The moment was so lost.

Nandini's response to the song. Awkwardness covered with a big smile.

Manik referring to the hospital bed so many times.. Was able to compose an unfinished song and read Nandini's so called blog ( which we never heard of) on net but didn't call anyone to let them know he is alive. Weird!!

Nandini's lack of curiosity of why he didn't call.. Or how badly he was hurt. Doubly weird!!

No heart to heart conversation at the first time they are alone. Instinctively that's what couples do.. Pour their hearts out. Tell them of the above two mentioned points and then how much they missed each other.. Etc.

Nandini's go and get a shark. Like really?! Who penned these lines or scene?! It was so lame!

Nandini wanting to steal Daru from a cop. Hmm... Did Nandini go through a personality transplant in the past 2 days? The old Nandini would never take pangas with cops or encourage Manik to do so. Even if she realized life is too short while Manik was gone and wants to seize the day now...this is not how she would have gone about it. It just didn't go with her characterization.

Lack of emotion. I don't know if this is coz of the way the scenes were penned down today or lack of a good director or the actors themselves. The Zing was missing. Manan hardly touched each other. For example: when Manik pulls Nandini close and says this is my instrument.. Nandini's hand should automatically reach out and be on Manik. However we see Niti in the same defensive posture.. Hands in front. (Same thing happened when Manik pulls her in for a hug.. Outside the resort)
Or when she leans in for kiss on the cheek..her hands barely moved to touch him.
So goes the same with Manik/Parth..

It feels like they are going through a choreography.. 1. Lean forward 2. Kiss 3. Move back and talk quick 4. Smile 5. Look into eyes 6. Talk more.

They smiled at each other but the smiles didn't reach their eyes.
There was def a lack of zing.. Chemistry.. Fire..Whatever u want to call it. Instead we see awkwardness. Pani has stopped improvising and the romance choreography is looking bad. If Niti, for reasons known to her, hesitates touching Parth and vice versa.. Then say bye bye Manan and KY2

If Pani doesn't get over their awkwardness with each other and if CVs don't do a better job than this... I think KY2 is a done deal. I keep watching the show everyday hoping that today will be better than yesterday.. ( last episode was good.. It was the Right mix of Yaariyan and pyaar, still had issues with Pani's act as Manan but it was a fun Epi).

I wonder if PH cares for KY2 at all.. They seem to have all mediocre team behind the scenes now. And Pani seem way too nonchalant. It's like they have already proved themselves and with the public demanding Parths return, there is a sense of ' I can get away with mediocre acting' as long as they show Manan scenes, the crazy fandom will be happy.
So what if the story line is shoddy or that the leads are not making any effort to play their characters convincingly.

Maybe they themselves are not able to connect with Manan now. Whatever the reasons, I hope things start to change soon.

I have to watch KY2 S1 to remind myself why I liked the show in the first place.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gypsyrose21

Here's my detailed analysis of today's Epi. Starting of with the positives:
We saw a jealous Manik and Aryaman drops the karela. Lovely shot. Goes to show Aryaman, regardless of his feelings for Nandini, is being a good friend and puts her feelings above all.

Manik is territorial when he walks upto Nandini and puts his arm around her. Nice move!
Dhruv asking for the lovebirds to have some space and time to themselves. (Duh! Shouldn't all the friends be aware of this)

Maniks ' I want to fulfill all your wishes', ' you are my inspiration' and ' this is my instrument' line to Nandini. Nicely penned!!

and ofcourse the Kisses.

Nandini's enthusiastic yippee and Maniks response to that.

Manik's expressions when he looks back at Nandini after the cops asks him to 'get lost'.

And now with the Negatives:

The song! Ugh! Where do I start?! It was terrible. The lyrics were ok..but with no music and mediocre singing, it sounded so offbeat and raw. I think Parth sounded better in uttus video than here. CVs need to stop trying to compose songs and use good existing Bollywood songs. The moment was so lost.

Nandini's response to the song. Awkwardness covered with a big smile.

Manik referring to the hospital bed so many times.. Was able to compose an unfinished song and read Nandini's so called blog ( which we never heard of) on net but didn't call anyone to let them know he is alive. Weird!!

Nandini's lack of curiosity of why he didn't call.. Or how badly he was hurt. Doubly weird!!

No heart to heart conversation at the first time they are alone. Instinctively that's what couples do.. Pour their hearts out. Tell them of the above two mentioned points and then how much they missed each other.. Etc.

Nandini's go and get a shark. Like really?! Who penned these lines or scene?! It was so lame!

Nandini wanting to steal Daru from a cop. Hmm... Did Nandini go through a personality transplant in the past 2 days? The old Nandini would never take pangas with cops or encourage Manik to do so. Even if she realized life is too short while Manik was gone and wants to seize the day now...this is not how she would have gone about it. It just didn't go with her characterization.

Lack of emotion. I don't know if this is coz of the way the scenes were penned down today or lack of a good director or the actors themselves. The Zing was missing. Manan hardly touched each other. For example: when Manik pulls Nandini close and says this is my instrument.. Nandini's hand should automatically reach out and be on Manik. However we see Niti in the same defensive posture.. Hands in front. (Same thing happened when Manik pulls her in for a hug.. Outside the resort)
Or when she leans in for kiss on the cheek..her hands barely moved to touch him.
So goes the same with Manik/Parth..

It feels like they are going through a choreography.. 1. Lean forward 2. Kiss 3. Move back and talk quick 4. Smile 5. Look into eyes 6. Talk more.

They smiled at each other but the smiles didn't reach their eyes.
There was def a lack of zing.. Chemistry.. Fire..Whatever u want to call it. Instead we see awkwardness. Pani has stopped improvising and the romance choreography is looking bad. If Niti, for reasons known to her, hesitates touching Parth and vice versa.. Then say bye bye Manan and KY2

If Pani doesn't get over their awkwardness with each other and if CVs don't do a better job than this... I think KY2 is a done deal. I keep watching the show everyday hoping that today will be better than yesterday.. ( last episode was good.. It was the Right mix of Yaariyan and pyaar, still had issues with Pani's act as Manan but it was a fun Epi).

I wonder if PH cares for KY2 at all.. They seem to have all mediocre team behind the scenes now. And Pani seem way too nonchalant. It's like they have already proved themselves and with the public demanding Parths return, there is a sense of ' I can get away with mediocre acting' as long as they show Manan scenes, the crazy fandom will be happy.
So what if the story line is shoddy or that the leads are not making any effort to play their characters convincingly.

Maybe they themselves are not able to connect with Manan now. Whatever the reasons, I hope things start to change soon.

I have to watch KY2 S1 to remind myself why I liked the show in the first place.



@bold. My exact thinking. The shoddines and lack of effort by various departments in chemistry, is because of complacence by PH , actors and other teams. Its like they are telling the public, you wanted Parth and Manan, we are giving you that. So they expect people to watch just to see Pani onscreen.
The point is proved by the fact that Niti's acting, characterization and Manan memories were so done well when Parth was not in the show. Its like after he has come back, they have stopped bothering because Pani/Manan should be taking care of the rest.
Missing Ayaz...he used to put a spark into Manan romance, and someone please let Mukti have her own life instead of trying to be Manan's mom.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@bluejalpari: watching S2 is like detoxing one from S1. So when the show stops... Atleast you won't feel the pinch.

Sigh! Will be so disappointed for the lack of use of such a good opportunity.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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As they say, 'Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it all. Then when you do, it might not be what you really want.'



Many felt that the show was a hit because of Parth. Some others felt it was because of Manan. Now we can see why the show was really a hit. Without the original creator and her team, the show is just like any other mediocre show.



A good leader is one who not only is passionate about what he/she does but one whose passion is so infectious that the team imbibes it in their work.


Season 2 is clearly not the PH's idea, particularly after Richa wanted out of the show for her health reasons and the never ending tussles with the channel and Parth wanted out for greener pastures which never materialised soon enough for him. The channel and fans were more keen for a sequel than the PH was - the channel because of the sponsors and the fans because of their need for Manan HEA. So they are dishing out what is wanted of them by these two. Their best team has been deployed elsewhere in other shows which have a wider reach.



Coming to Season 2 CV, Karishma. She had her own vision for the season in the absence of the main lead of season 1. Fans' demand to get Parth back and his subsequent return threw her plans in awry. Now the show seems to be on a mission to fulfil fans' bucket list of wishes.


One group of fans wanted to see the return of monster Manik. They gave us that when Manik lashed out mindlessly at Fab 3 and Nandini. Another group wanted to see Manik regret his attitude. We saw that soon enough when Nandu managed to calm him down in a jiffy. Some fans felt Nandu had cried enough and pined enough for Manik and Manan should start romancing as soon as possible. They are now trying to fulfil that in the last few episodes.


Parth fans wanted to hear him sing again. So they gave us that, exposing Parth's limited ability in that dept when it is not aided by technology or a good, simple well known song. Fans wanted talli Manan. They are going to give us that tomorrow.


Pani always gave credit to the crew for their sizzling chemistry onscreen. They have attributed it to the choreography of the scene - the vision of the CV and the mission of the director. They were mere professionals executing the scenes. People did not believe them even though all the BTS they showed so far vouched for that fact.


Pani haven't changed between season 1 and season 2, but the choreographers of the Manan scenes have changed. As true professionals they are doing their job. They have ceased to be artists for whom their work is passion,but then that passion, I feel, was instigated by the original creator of the show and not something which was self motivated.



While Season 1 was a body which was defined by a soul, Season 2 seems like a body without a soul. That is how I perceive the show.
Edited by Opti - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@gypsyrose21: Hun firstly take a bow for calling a spade a spade without mincing words!

A friend and I were just talking today how disappointing MaNan and the story(or the lack of) has been lately only to realize our opinion doesn't really matter coz we are only 2 with this opinion.
I should tell her there are actually 4 people with this opinion-the minority is growing :)

Jokes apart, you and @bluejalpari have said everything that was in mind and I would have said if anyone listened-lol

I have resigned to the fact that S2 is just another youth show with pretty faces. MaNan-who MaNan? Kindly watch S1 for that epicness!

S2 of any shows has seldom lived up to the reputation of S1. So I sorta knew reprising S1 would be very very difficult.
But sadly right now the situation is such that I'd be happy if I don't walk away cursing myself for thinking so highly of MaNan, PaNi, the creatives and the PH. S1 and MaNan are IMHO the best modern day love story told on Indian television.

I understand lot of adjustments and changes to the story had to be made to accommodate Manik back in the show and it takes time for the show to hit an equilibrium.

What I don't understand is slacking creatives, disinterested actors and ridiculous subtracks(Mukti acting jealous-really??!!). If anything everyone should pull up their socks and get this train wreck back on track(if Twitter is anything to go by without MaNan that's what S2 was). Instead what I feel is the episodes come across as reality show episodes where camera is turned on and actors are asked to say sing and do whatever they feel like!!

Honestly why would the ph and creatives bother because most fans are happy to see their fav couple onscreen again-whether they are back as MaNan or themselves, nobody cares! Except some 4-5 of us who don't add anything-neither to the TRPs nor to the fandom-sighhh
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thank god some one else feels the same...
my post talk about the same thing
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4503424

Manan cant hold a show with poor direction and script.

And NANDINI????R U DOING FAVOUR TO MANIK BY STAYING CLOSE TO HIM?
HER attitude and her move movement is SO SO SO COLD.


GUYS HOW CAN WE REACH UPTO THE CVS... PLS WE CAN DO TOGETHER SO THAT THEY SHOULD KNOW U R NOT A FAVOUR GVNG MANAN...U HAVE TO NOURISH IT TOO.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@ Opti: well said and agree with it all. But i do feel a change in Pani from S1 and S2. There is an awkwardness.. Which was there before too, but not as obvious as now. I feel they are just mouthing of words coz they have to Or hug or touch etc coz it's written. I don't see them connecting to Manan. Earlier it felt they (along with others) worked hard to make the show success.. Now it's in 'cruise control' mode. No effort being made by them or the CVs/PH.

@geno0309: :)) thank you dear! I was holding it back for sometime now coz I knew I would be amongst the minority. But today after seeing the travesty of Manan.. And the fandom still gushing over the two lines, song and placid kisses, I just had to get it all out. Good to see there are quite a few of us without the rose colored glasses.
Agree with everything that u said. I was hoping against hope that once they settle in with Parths comeback and the changes they had to make, the show will take off. Slowly but steadily. But sadly, none of that has happened so far. The reactions of one's love coming back from the dead was soo muted.. And it sort of set the tone for the following episodes. Sometimes I feel like shaking Manan to get the basic human reaction of seeing the love of your life return after 4 months. Can you believe it, there hasn't been one passionate hug let alone a smooch from them?!
Which world are the writers from?? These are young adults in throes of a passionate love affair! Plz show them as such and not like some over the hill couple!!
Edited by Gypsyrose21 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: anz11

Thank god some one else feels the same...

my post talk about the same thing
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4503424

Manan cant hold a show with poor direction and script.

And NANDINI????R U DOING FAVOUR TO MANIK BY STAYING CLOSE TO HIM?
HER attitude and her move movement is SO SO SO COLD.


GUYS HOW CAN WE REACH UPTO THE CVS... PLS WE CAN DO TOGETHER SO THAT THEY SHOULD KNOW U R NOT A FAVOUR GVNG MANAN...U HAVE TO NOURISH IT TOO.



Are people even asking Pani about their missing chemistry on Twitter or Insta? All I see is blinded fandom praising them mostly.
People should have trended for not just Parth but the old CV team back too! I don't see how thats possible now. But GL and hope the channel or Ph does something about it soon.
Edited by Gypsyrose21 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Couldn't agree with you guys more... I mean as of now...there is no story...and without a story...there's no show...

Really the director and creative head did a fabulous job last season...sometimes I wondered how 2 people...who are so uncomfortable offscreen pulled off the scenes with such panache...

Now their offscreen equation is so palpable during the scenes...in fact today's kiss did not evoke any emotions...it almost seemed forced...one because of the lack of a story...two because of the lack of proper direction!

It's really sad to see the downward trajectory of this show...I hope things change for the better very soon. And lastly, the lesser said about the song...the better!
Edited by puba - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@gypsyrose BANG on post as usual. And lovely comments...it's like reading my own screaming, frustrated, disappointed, in minority, mind.
Screaming at that oh so pointless excuse of a song.
Frustrated at the oh so directionless story..or lack thereof...and mindless direction...or lack thereof.
Disappointed at the oh so mechanical lead pair who CAN'T JUST GET OVER their personal issues and lack of interest ( ok maybe i am angry too)
In minority - because this shit will continue till some sections of our beloved fandom wake up and smell the roses...till they are happy just looking at PaNi onscreen smiling like zombies...till CVs stop reading 'we want' posts only and go back to Manan BASICS.

And lastly...because I read this a lot today...about giving time because parth's entry screwed CVs story...can I just say...Parth didn't just wake up one morning and arrive on set and say "lets shoot". He was brought back after discussions...so didn't those discussions involve figuring out HOW this reentry will work?? I find it difficult to believe that even the channel n PH thought that the show was only Parth n Niti...if they did, they should just save everyone agony and shut it now.

Sorry if I am harsh...but this is just...just...eearghhh.😡

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