PUNDIR - NAME or SIRNAME??

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Dear friends,

I found an interesting fact. we all know that pundir was PRC's friend. but is Pundir his name or sirname? I am asking this question on the basis of the following data i have got PLEZ CHECK

Pundir

The most powerful military vassals of the Chauhan Empire of Delhi, the Pundir are a Suryavanshi branch of the Dahima Rajputs, one of the thirty six royal rajput clans. The Pundir Rajputs still hold riyasat in Nagaur and Saharanpur where their Kuldevi's are situated. Their Shakha is Koolwal and their Kuldevis are Shakumbhri Devi and Dhadimati Mata with a few of the Gotras shared by them being Parashara and Pulastya. Most of the Pundirs are today based mainly around the North Indian states of Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Punjab and Haryana. Elliot writes that Uttar Pradesh (Hardwar region), where they are most prominent today, has over 1,440 villages claimed by Pundir Rajputs with high concentrations in the districts of Dehradun, Saharanpur, Muzaffarnagar, Aligarh and Etawah. According to the British census of 1891 the population of the Pundir Rajputs was recorded at approximately

Origins

The Pundir clan has its origins with the Pundarik Rishi whose temple is situated in Katheugi village of the Kullu district in the state of Himachal Pradesh. The rishi is depicted as a white Naga and in the Puranic lore Pundarik is the name of a White Naga and the legend of Pundir Rishi also affirms his birth as a Naga from an earthern pot.

History

" The Pundirs are a proud, stiff-necked people, very clannish and always ready to unite in open or secret opposition to the law; but of late there has been much improvement in these respects. They are not too proud to labour with their own hands, but make admirable horse-breeders.


A fine hardy race who at former times were much given to helping themselves from the property of their neighbours. In this respect they were worse than the Gujars, and like them were powerful by reason of their union amongst themselves. Confident in their power of combination, the Pundirs used to resist the Police and Revenue Authorities by open force. A steadily-continued course of the severest punishment at last broke their stiffneckedness, and also reduced them to a state of destitution, from which they are now, however, gradually recovering. Notorious cattle lifters the Pundirs are equally distinguished by their pride. During the Famine of 1860-1861 they preferred to die in their homes rather than seek aid at the Central Station 20 miles off.

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—From Statistical, Descriptive and Historical Account of the North-Western Provinces of India by Edward T. Atkinson

  • Pundirs in the Punjab Region: The original seats of the Pundir clan were in Bathinda, Samana, Thanesar, Nardak, Karnal, Kurukshetra and Ambala. The local capitals were situated in Pundri, Pundrak, Ramba and Habri. Ibbetson mentions that the Pundirs were constantly at war with the Mandhars of the area and that the former were always victorious against the latter; the Mandhar were not able to gain any considerable foot holdings in Pundir regions. The Chauhans under Rana Har Rai and his uncles were finally able to get the better of the outnumbered Pundir clan and for the most part the latter crossed the Yamuna taking up defensive lines east of the river. Rana Har Rai Chauhan had been bathing in the Ganges and on his return through Pundir lands, notedly Kurukshetra, fell in a quarrel with the Pundirs. The Rana was only able to subdue the Pundirs with additional aid from his uncles, before which there was little or no progress that could be made against the Pundir forces. Under Prithviraj Chauhan, the Pundirs were given command of the Lahore frontier. Some prominent Pundirs in the Chauhan Empire were the three brothers of whom the eldest, Chand Kaimas, was the Minister of the empire, the second brother Chand Pundir was the commander and vassal chief of the frontier region at Lahore and their youngest brother Chand Rai (Persian: Khandae Rai) was the general in the last battle between Prithviraj Chauhan and Muhammad of Ghor.


  • Pundirs in the Doab: In Saharanpur, other than the Mawals of the region the Pundirs are the only other Rajput clan which is considered to be pure. Ibbetson writes that the Doab Pundirs in Uttar Pradesh, of the area between the rivers Ganga and Yamuna, ruled up to Haridwar. In the nineteenth century, the Pundirs established their rule under the leadership of Raja Damar Singh Pundir of Gambhira in district Aligarh and based themselves at Fort Bijaigarh (named after Damar Singh's brother). During the Anglo-Pundir war of 1803 the British suffered many casualties along with the loss of Colonel Gordon but were eventually able to capture the fort. Prior to Muslim rule in the area, Jalalabad in Muzaffarnagar was known as Manhar Kheda, styled after Thakur Manhar Singh Pundir, the then ruler of that region. Pundirs, while constructing a road for Shakumbri Devi picked a fight with Aurangzeb and after initial victories, lost due to treachery by Baloch and Pathan tribals. Later the Baloch and the Pathans loyal to Aurangzeb ruled this Fort of Manhar Kheda. The ancestors of the Pundirs of Akrabad were of the Parashara gotra who had migrated from Bang Tilang in 1456 AD. In Akrabad there was once a region of Pundirs (Purindrana) comprising of 64 villages in the area of the township. Rao Pratap Bhan Singh, Rao Bikram Singh and Rao Singh were some of the Pundir chiefs who settled in this tract during the sixteenth century. Rohan Singh Pundir founded the village of Rohana Singhpur by capturing various villages originally held by chamaars. During the Maratha rule (1750) Rao Manik Singh was the chief of the Pundir clan of the area.


  • Pundirs in the Garhwal: During the mid-eighteenth century the King of Garhwal, Lalit Shah, in order to appease rebelling Jagirdars as well as to put an end to incursions made by Rajputs, Sikhs and Gujjars, gave out grants of villages. Due to the fact that the Rajputs and Gujjars made more mischief than the Sikhs the King of Garhwal awarded land grants to many chiefs in return for their loyalty with regards to guarding the borders against marauders. Rana Gulab Singh Pundir of Dehradun obtained twelve villages with the hand of Lalit Shah's daughter in marriage. During the early nineteenth century the kingdom of Garhwal saw much infighing between Lalit Shah's sons Jai Kirat Shah and Pradyumna Shah and thus fell under threat of invasion from the north east by the Gurkhas. Lalit Shah's second son Pradyumna Shah, with the help of the Gujjar Sardar Ramdayal Singh of Landhaur, assembled a force of approximately 12,000 men composed of Ramghads, Pundir Rajputs and Gujars after which he headed towards Saharanpur. The commanding general of the Gurkha army, Amar Singh Thapa, reached there from Srinagar and on Mag 22, 1860 (January 1804) a fierce battle was fought in the plain of Khadbuda, about half of mile away from the palace of Guru Ram Rai. Pradyumna Shah's two brothers, namely, Parakrama Shah and Pritam Shah, and his two sons, namely, Sudarshan Shah and Devi Simha, were present in the battle. The Garhwali king was on horseback near his camp talking to Miyan Dulal Singh of Prithvipur when he was struck by a shot fired by Ranajit Kanwar.

Sepoy Mutiny of 1857

  • Following the Anglo-Pundir war of 1803, with the defeat of Raja Damar Singh Pundir at Fort Bijaigarh, the Pundirs took service in the British Army. The Pundirs of Saharanpur, Muzaffarabad and Aligarh remained loyal to the British during the Sepoy Mutiny with the Pundirs of Muzaffarabad having supplied 20 cavalry and 200 foot soldiers during the ordeal; Pundirs of Akrabad, a Pundir pargana, having contributed 500 cavalry and 5000 foot soldiers and the Sikandra Rao pargana, which was being held by Afghans and Pundirs, contributed 400 cavalry and 4000 foot soldiers. During this time these Pundirs, under their leader Thakur Kundan Singh Pundir, protected the Tahsildar at the town of Sikandra Rao and subdued the Muhammadan population of the town.


  • Unlike their brethren many Pundir rajputs of the Akrabad and Katha regions rose in rebellion against the British Crown during the Mutiny. Under their leader Thakur Narayan Singh Pundir and his sons Mehtab Singh Pundir and Mangal Singh Pundir an army of Pundir Rajputs along with some Gujjar and Ranghar recruits attacked the city of Saharanpur.

Culture

Religion

The majority of Pundirs in India who are followers of Hinduism are classified as being Shiva worshippers while their Kuldevis are notedly Shakumbhri Devi in Saharanpur and Dhadimati Mataji in Nagaur. A smaller percentage of Pundirs are followers of Sikhism and are concentrated in and around the towns of Karnal, Kurukshetra, Ambala, and Chandigarh.

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Parmar/Panwar Kathiyar
Indoria (Tomar/Tanwar) Janghara

Castes of India
Pundirs
Classification Rajput - Kshatriya
Subdivisions Hindustani, Punjabi, Himachali, Garhwali and Awadhi
Significant populations in Punjab region, Uttar Pradesh, Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh
Languages Hindi, Punjabi, Garhwali, Kumaoni and Awadhi
Religions Hinduism and Sikhism

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Posted: 17 years ago
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thanks Arshit,i also went through this article long back and was confused like you.I mean Sanjam is a name,Chander is a name but Pundir was always mentioned as a surname.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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yes.. punder was the surname.. his first name was chand... might be sagars used surname.. so as not to get confused with chander. i'll list out the names here..(i have forgotten some names.. pls give me time so that i can look into raso n tell u all later)
1)Prithviraj Chauhan married Sanyogita Chalukya(have to check this surname). They had a son Rensi Chauhan
2)Samar Singh married Pratha Chauhan n they had a son Ratan Singh
3)Chand Punder married ------ and his son's name was Dheer Punder
4)Sanjam Rai married sanyo's best friend. and he had a son
5)Chander Bardai married Rathi(have to check) and had 11 kids.
6)Prithvi had also married punder's sister Dhamini
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: lakshmim_84

yes.. punder was the surname.. his first name was chand... might be sagars used surname.. so as not to get confused with chander. i'll list out the names here..(i have forgotten some names.. pls give me time so that i can look into raso n tell u all later)
1)Prithviraj Chauhan married Sanyogita Chalukya(have to check this surname). They had a son Rensi Chauhan
2)Samar Singh married Pratha Chauhan n they had a son Ratan Singh
3)Chand Punder married ------ and his son's name was Dheer Punder
4)Sanjam Rai married sanyo's best friend. and he had a son
5)Chander Bardai married Rathi(have to check) and had 11 kids.
6)Prithvi had also married punder's sister Dhamini


so nice names,thanks lakshmi😳
Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: lakshmim_84

yes.. punder was the surname.. his first name was chand... might be sagars used surname.. so as not to get confused with chander. i'll list out the names here..(i have forgotten some names.. pls give me time so that i can look into raso n tell u all later)
1)Prithviraj Chauhan married Sanyogita Chalukya(have to check this surname). They had a son Rensi Chauhan
2)Samar Singh married Pratha Chauhan n they had a son Ratan Singh
3)Chand Punder married ------ and his son's name was Dheer Punder
4)Sanjam Rai married sanyo's best friend. and he had a son
5)Chander Bardai married Rathi(have to check) and had 11 kids.
6)Prithvi had also married punder's sister Dhamini

lol every1 following family planning..having one kid...& chand ek aur ek ghaghara 👎🏼

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Kai_Hiwatari

lol every1 following family planning..having one kid...& chand ek aur ek ghaghara 👎🏼


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comming to think abt it.. even i feel family planning was followed at that time.. someshwar had only 2 kids.. anangpal had 2 daughters. vijaypal had only one son-jaichand. jaichand had only 2 daughters....
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Posted: 17 years ago
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😆 😆 ...But,Lakshmim..Didn't PRC & Sanyo have a son & a daughter??? & the daughter looked exactly like Sanyo 😳 ..That is why PRC was more fond of his daughter then his son 😕 ..I AM CONFUSED..Also,Sanyo's sur-name was Gahdwala..NOT Chalukya..& isn't it true that Sanyo & PRC'S marriage was the only marriage to be consummated??? Plzz tell me..I am confused 😕
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: lakshmim_84


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comming to think abt it.. even i feel family planning was followed at that time.. someshwar had only 2 kids.. anangpal had 2 daughters. vijaypal had only one son-jaichand. jaichand had only 2 daughters....

Thanks for the information.....and you people are absolutely right....there is family planning 😆😆😆

Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: lime ice

😆 😆 ...But,Lakshmim..Didn't PRC & Sanyo have a son & a daughter??? & the daughter looked exactly like Sanyo 😳 ..That is why PRC was more fond of his daughter then his son 😕 ..I AM CONFUSED..Also,Sanyo's sur-name was Gahdwala..NOT Chalukya..& isn't it true that Sanyo & PRC'S marriage was the only marriage to be consummated??? Plzz tell me..I am confused 😕

tuhi...ur reply made me confused tooo😕

PRC & sanyo marriage was the ONLY marriage to be consumated matlab???.....other wives were only for head count....& Chand's Raso.....indravati's parrot????.....

Laks!!!!! come to my rescue plz😳

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Ya,that is what I read in the English version of "PRC Rso",Kai..Apparently,Sanyo & PRC'S marriage was the only marriage to be consummated by PRC..& the parrot was given to SANYO by his wives' to confirm their suspicions..So,I guess it sounds,feasible..Cuz,they were VERY jealous of Sanyo & PRC & her Love.They felt that PRC did not love his other wives' they way he Loved Sanyo 😳..& it was written their that he had 11 wives'..But,was Sanyo was the only one whom he the CLOSEST to..Sanyo & he had 2 children..A son & a daughter,who was a replica of Sanyo..PRC was exetremly fond of his daughter 😳 😳 😳 ..The son was killed in the 2nd Battle of Tarain..& before the battle the daughter of sent off to Chittor..I THINK,to be with Pratha..HOW CAN the Hindi "PRC Raso" & the English translated one be sooo different??? 😕 😕

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