Suits Season 5 Episode 7 - Hitting Home - Page 2

Originally posted by: SoreThumb

I get that Esther and Harvey are consenting adults and can make their own decisions, but when a friends requests you on good will not to get involved with his sister and you promise that you wouldn't, its a promise one should generally keep atleast till you clear it out that you are interested in the sister with the friend..Louis has difficult relations with both Harvey and ester, but he felt more comfortable asking for the promise from Harvey than Ester so he did..I dont think its abt being liberal but more so about breaking a promise/trust/truce...add to that wanting to protect your sister who is going through a divorce from a man you know has commitment issues

Harvey was feeling guilty because he knew he had broken someones trust, he was wrong to have hidden the fact from louis

Originally posted by: SoreThumb

I get that Esther and Harvey are consenting adults and can make their own decisions, but when a friends requests you on good will not to get involved with his sister and you promise that you wouldn't, its a promise one should generally keep atleast till you clear it out that you are interested in the sister with the friend..Louis has difficult relations with both Harvey and ester, but he felt more comfortable asking for the promise from Harvey than Ester so he did..I dont think its abt being liberal but more so about breaking a promise/trust/truce...add to that wanting to protect your sister who is going through a divorce from a man you know has commitment issues

Harvey was feeling guilty because he knew he had broken someones trust, he was wrong to have hidden the fact from louis

Ok😆 but once Louis stated clearly that Harvey is a womanizer, hence how can Harvey to keep up the promise?😉😆 Its wrongful expectation by Louis. Besides Esther made the move and Harvey waited for the client-Lawyer relationship to end. Louis not being comfortable with Esther is his issue, how is Harvey involved. Also Louis didn't like Esther's ex husband also. If she married him anyway then that means Esther does not want him to interfere in her personal life.

@donna-harvey dinner: apart form donna bracing the point that she isnt jealous, I didnt have problem with other parts of the dinner..yeah she didnt have to state she isnt jealous..but friends (atleast close ones) do advice regarding personal matters..maybe with the offer for dinner, Donna thought they could go back to being close friends..and harvey clearly stated that the boundaries will be a lot tighter henceforth..their relationship is a work in progress

atlest they started talking normally

Harvey and Donna having dinner is fine but the way Donna was conducting herself was more like a lover than a friend or a colleague. Donna-Harvey being friends is fine.

Originally posted by: realitybites

Originally posted by: blacklambo

If I may, there are other considerations as well. Louis has never gone after Harvey on a personal level. His fights/mistakes have hurt Harvey professionally, & granted at times there is a fine line between personal & professional. But, Harvey has dealt a personal blow to Louis with Esther. It is strange for a guy who lays so much emphasis on family. Some things can be reversed/fixed & some not & this was one of those irreversible ones.

Louis has to know or sense the Harvey-Donna relationship of 12 years, otherwise his insecurity about Donna leaving him won't surface. Even sensing the fact that Donna has moved away from Harvey for a reason, Louis went directly to Harvey since Esther wasn't going to pay heed to his advice. In a way, he was trying to prevent Esther from a fallout that he knew would come sooner or later. Louis did take the news of Esther approaching Harvey for the case first very well given his nature, though it was heaped with praises & from the very guy Louis seeks kinda approval from. That very same guy letting him down has got to hurt.

Originally posted by: SoreThumb

Louis knows Harvey is a womaniser..which is why he extracted the promise..he was looking out for his sister..whether she wanted it or not..he knows Harvey, she doesn't and so he thought of interfering ..it might not be right from ester's pov, but once Harvey made the promise, the onus was on him to keep it..womaniser or not, Harvey tends to keep promosies he makes...esp the ones related to family..which is why breaking harvey breaking the promise hit louis hard..

What I meant when I said that louis more comfortable asking the promise off harvey than esther was that despite all their he considered Harvey a friend and hence asked him, Harvey isn't involved in his equation with esther

Esther still won't like Louis interfering in her life..him extracting a promise from Harvey for something relating to her..but that not the point..bes8des that is different coz louis didn't know her ex husband ( Is m presuming) and had no right telling him to back off (if he told him and not Esther that is..presuming again)..the matters different t here

It all boils down to Harvey having promised louis , breaking it and then hiding the fact that he broke it..that's what backfired so badly...

Had Harvey told him earlier that he slept with Esther or told him that he doesn't want to keep the promise, then the clusterf**k situation wouldn't have happened..

@donna-harvey: while I didn't really get extreme lover vibes from Donna but yeah that I am not jealous declaration from her was way off..why bring it up when u know ur friendship in itself is on shaky ground..Donna has been the most disappointing character this season..

For some reason they don't think it's necessary to show her side of things..and that makes her actions look weird coz one has no idea how she feels..

I mean they threw her stating she is dating someone called Mitchell randomly in the mix..out of nowhere.. She comes across as unfeeling

Sad considering till last season she was one of the most interesting characters of the show

Apologies for the weird color mixup

My phone is acting up

Originally posted by: SoreThumb

I dunno if this is irreversible or not A..in the sense that louis may eventually let it go (atleast that's the way I forsee it ending) but he wouldn't forget it..and you are right.. This stung more coz it was personal and not professional

For his part Harvey wanted to come clean, but he should have done it long ago..and should definitely not have hit louis

@last line: completely agree..

Originally posted by: realitybites

😆 A womaniser wont keep his hands off? Can he? Its his nature. Harvey was flirting with her even before he knew she is Louis's sister. Harvey will fall for any woman as long as she is attractive and sexy😉. Now Louis asking this to Harvey is wrong because he knows Harvey is a womanizer and as the saying goes "billi ko dhoodh ki rakhwali ke liye chodoge toh voh toh doodh peeyegi na" (hindi) 😆😆😆 Same with Harvey! Here Esther too was flirting with him and was trying to seduce him and asked him out first, how long could the guy resist? Thats why Louis should have talked to his sister first, then he would have known that the first move was made by Esther and not Harvey. Louis stated in his convo to Rach, that he didnt like the guy and also to Esther when she takes the case to him.

I agree completely on Donna's characterization this season is really bad. She was my fav along with Jessica😭😭😭. Why Donna suddenly dumped Harvey is still unknown. Had they delved and shown some rationale thought, it would have made sense. As you rightly said, all this is making her actions cold and weird.

I hope at least before the season ends, they bring back the old Donna.

On the mix up, its ok. Its happens through laptop also. Dont know may be some codes.