IS ARPITA REALLY THAT BAD - Page 2

a very long post ... i cudn't go through the whole thing but i got the gist of it..

and i agree with whatever i managed to read frm it... the parts about her being honest and forthright with her opinions...and so on..

no arpita is not bad... none of them are..

Originally posted by: evan

** Personal attacks r not allowed on the forum and please take care of ur language**

is that for me or 4 the person who started this thread ???

i will respond accordingly

Have gone through the long long posting. I can see that you are a fan of Arpita. Nothing wrong in that. But when you say that she feels distressed at being "hated" (I don't think its the proper term) for being frank, just think of what must be going on in Qazi's mind when all the three others (including Arpita) repeated on camera insult and humiliate him. There is difference between being frank and being rude and obnoxious. I am afraid Arpita is latter.
As far as bragging about her being a trained singer is concerned, not only she but her mom too have repeated said that on camera. No harm in that. But then the training should show. Unfortunately she is going down hill all the time.
That so-called joke of her walking out was not a joke atall. It was a calculated move to garner sympathy and votes. The episode on Monday ended with her purported departure from Gurukul and I am sure most of the votes she got must have been that night and till 8:30PM on Tuesday.

Hmm all I can say is its all about favorites. I cant find any faults with Qazi but lots with Arpita, someone else will find lots of faults in Qazi and goods in Arpita so its al like that. But hats off to the topic starter it was really well written though it didnt change my views about Arpita but that doesnt matter.

Originally posted by: nightingale

Your points are genuine and well thought out. I think most people here do not hate Arpita ( I do not) but once a person becomes part of thepublic eye, they will be up for scrutiny. ALso, since their lives are considered bigger than normal, their every action becomes bigger also. If they say something negative then become evil. If they do something nice, then they become heroes. The life of a celebrity is not easy.

I think one reason why many people became suor towards Arpita was her repetitive statements reagrding her training. However, one must not forget that classroom training (in any field) and actual performance are two different things. Classroom training prepares you for your performance, but then some natural instincts, and luck decide whether or not your performnace is of value.

Granted she sings well and she is educated in singing. However, for 20 years of classical training I do not feel that her perofrmance shows it. Rather she lacks in many ways as a performer. Rex, on the other hand has no training ut he has really taken advantage of his "3 month training".That is remarkable and worthy of praise. Qazi from the first day has been the underdog because he is not at all trained. SO with respect to his level of traing...3 months he is also doing remarkably well. On an absolute scale, no Qazi does not sing as well as Arpita. BUT, on a relative scale in regards to training and previous exposure/experience, he is much better performer. That is why he is ahead!

If Arpita would not brag about her training and stop comparing herself to others she would have a muchbetter chance of having a positive public career as a celebrity!

I agree with you all the way, and the number of her supporters that have cropped all under different names claiming to be from different locations who insist on bashing Qazi to no end, is a real turn off, if their intent is to garner more support for Arpita, by their belligerent moronic stance they are in reality causing more people to trun against her. Its a pity that these dumb people don't realize that their efforts are really back firing, and they are indeed shooting themselves in the foot......

Originally posted by: nightingale

Your points are genuine and well thought out. I think most people here do not hate Arpita ( I do not) but once a person becomes part of thepublic eye, they will be up for scrutiny. ALso, since their lives are considered bigger than normal, their every action becomes bigger also. If they say something negative then become evil. If they do something nice, then they become heroes. The life of a celebrity is not easy.

I think one reason why many people became suor towards Arpita was her repetitive statements reagrding her training. However, one must not forget that classroom training (in any field) and actual performance are two different things. Classroom training prepares you for your performance, but then some natural instincts, and luck decide whether or not your performnace is of value.

Granted she sings well and she is educated in singing. However, for 20 years of classical training I do not feel that her perofrmance shows it. Rather she lacks in many ways as a performer. Rex, on the other hand has no training ut he has really taken advantage of his "3 month training".That is remarkable and worthy of praise. Qazi from the first day has been the underdog because he is not at all trained. SO with respect to his level of traing...3 months he is also doing remarkably well. On an absolute scale, no Qazi does not sing as well as Arpita. BUT, on a relative scale in regards to training and previous exposure/experience, he is much better performer. That is why he is ahead!

If Arpita would not brag about her training and stop comparing herself to others she would have a muchbetter chance of having a positive public career as a celebrity!

Very well said....totally agree with you.👏

Nice post. I am not a great fan of Arpita as a singer. But I completely agree with you about the ditasteful comments about her on the forum lately. But the truth is that no matter what you say, those who like to post rude comments about the contestants, will just continue to do so. You just have to learn to ignore those comments. I just hope Arpita does not get around to reading those posts one day, thats all.

I believe that everyone is free to like or dislike whomever they want and also critize those who do they don't like. But to stoop down to levels of calling them names and also branding them, is just too low. If you want to judge people - just them on basis of their talent and not your assuptions of what they are. 2 hours of ones life on edited TV programs do not really say much about who they really are.

Arpita in my opinion is very focused and has a goal in mind and will do her best to get to it. She has stuggled quite a bit to get where she is today and I think she speaks her mind, and at times that does come out sounding arrogant. But none of us here know her in person to call her names. I think we need to give people that much respect at least and refrain from attacking them on a personal level. That's all folks!

in response to sum of the replies:
1) thos who thing 'hate' was the incorrec term to have been used to the post, just refer to the rresponses, she has been referred to as a b**** already.
2)yes she compares herself to others, but isnt that the whole point of a competition, u win because u ae better than the others
3)yes she goes on camera to voice her opinion about qazi- but listen to them carefully are those insults. has she ever degraded his charcter, or insulted him in such a way. yes she does admit when she thinks qazi was good or not (and that i belive is often misinterpreted as insulting), but again she is always fair, she compliments him when he is good as well.
4)lastly, i can see, and as i very largely expected- this did not really alter anyone's opinion. i did not hope to achieve universal popularity for her, but what i did hope was to garner more support for her, because i think talent and hardwork come foremost, not a persons character (and again how do we really know her character, we are only shown snippets of what she does or says)- and notice that qazi still likes her inspite of her disparaging comments regarding his singing (he stated that he was exceptionally happy, the day she praised his rendition of the yeh tara woh tara song), and we all know that qazi is an intelligent, good hearted human being, and so he must see good in her as well to like her, hes not stupid. also note that most of her disparaging comments were before this fridays gala performance, which was a revelation btw- it changed my opinion of qazi, so why hold these previous opinions against her, why not give her a chance, i mean she herself would have recently witnessed his talent (in her rediff interview she has stated that she can see qazi as the fame jodi).

Originally posted by: fieldmouse2004

i dont generally write on forums- i prefer to be the silent, observing type. but recent opinions and events have compelled me to voice my opinion.

but before i begin, i would ask u all to read what i have to say with an open mind (i'm not saying that anyone in particular is bias- being bias is a part of human nature, i myself find my opinions following the route of favouritism, but in order to make a fair judgement, one has to think objectively)

i will start off by asking is arpita really that bad? lets just start considerthe various stigmas that have been inflicted upon her- attitude, egotism, politics, scornful nature, two faced liar, selfish (even b****, to quote someone on this forum)

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yes arpita ois opinionated, yes shes honest and thats her downpoint. people hate her because they misinterpret this honesty. again- i saw her being adressed as a b**** because she announced that she would not see qazi as her fame jodi. fine thats her opinion, that does not make her a b****, and at least shes honest. its not like shes dancing around telling qazi that hes the best singer and then voting against him behind his back. whenever she has been asked, she has always publicly announced that she sees qazi as the weakest. so how is she two faced? and lets be honest, she is fair, she praises him when he does well. for eg when he sang the Yeh tara Woh tara song, she openly stated that she could see qazi as part of the fame jodi. so how does that make her bias, or deliberately against qazi? she speaks as she sees, and that i believe is commendable, because at least then shes not playing politics.

as far as politics are concerned- yes she was largely involved in arijits exit, but were those really poilitics. i agree with her that arijit was not as innocent as he sounds (ok the first vote to monica might be understandable, but the second one? his excuse was that he didnt want the audience to think of him as indecisive or confused. honestly tell me is that believable- would u sacrifice the life of one of ur bestest friends (who u sleep, eat and spend every living hour with), because of the fear of sounding indecisive?) - and look at her good side, she was honest enough to admit it. so how is that politics

and as far as the issue of politics is concerned- she has had ample oppurtunity to play them. it is obvious to all that qazi likes her (refer to the episode when his mother visited, where rex implied this. qazi also described his happiest moment to be when she said she saw him as part of the fame jodi- when he sang the Yeh tara woh tara song)- and she knows of the support that qazi has with the audience. she could easily have faked an affair with him to gain popularity. but did she do that? no- because she is too dignified too focussed to achieve her ambitions, and that again is commendable. for this shows that she does not have an illicit character. recently people are saying that shes shed all her inhibitions because of a revealing outfit she wore in the mungda mungda song- well are people really so bakward as to judge a person by their dress (which they might have been made to wear) rather than their character (and her ethical character is marked easily by her attitude, her not faking an affair with qazi)

then the issue of her being egotistical, too scornful- well that again i belive is her confidence being interpreted. if she stands on the stage, and is asked who should she be saved- if she says herself, what is wrong with that? that is just confidence, for if u dont belive in urself who will. plus already she is very unpopular , is she says i wasnt the best, someone else was better, do u think that the few who do support her, will continue to do so? in fact it is commendable that even with such little support she is honest enough to admit who she thinks is a good singer and whos not.

then her feud with rooprekha, honestly i do not blame her. it should be obvious to many that javed akhtar is bias towards rooprekha, and belive me even the opinion of one judge makes a difference. in the remix gala i especially felt that she sang better than rooprekha (she danced so well as well)- yet her singing and dancing is never noticed. buyt rooprekha was safe (and that too i would say was javed akhtars part- hence he was so irritated with her on thursday, when she saved both rex and arpita, cos honest.ly he wouldnt have had another good oppurtunity to save her). i mean rooprekha is a very good singer, shes fantastic, but arpita is more versatile is trained in classical), plus she performs so much as well. (rooprekha lacks there) then why is qazis performance noted and not hers?so isnt she right to complain that rooprekha is given the preferential treatment.

then people refer to her as scornful, anti- qazi etc. yes she was displeased with qazi, and she had reason to be. put urself in her shoes. how would u feel, if u worked so hard to perform well- and someone who ur fellow students, ur faculty, and to even an extent the judges felt was not so good, and who in fact wanted to be an actor rather than a singer- kept on winning. u wouldnt exactly be very forgiving towards them. no doubt, qazi has improved, he has become a better singer (in fact i thought he did really well in yesterdays gala)- but he wasnt initially was he? she had a right to complain then, and when he does well she says so. then why do people hate her so much?

she works very hard (did not go home that one week so she could practice), is confident, is focussed, a good performer, a good singer, beautiful and very talented overall- then why does she not deserve to be part of the fame jodi? is it because if her nature, her attitudde (which i dont see at all, its all her honesty). based on that i shgould hate qazi. i mean i was never a qazi fan, but after yesterdays performance i support him now- but if i am to consider his nature and behaviour, then i shouldnt be supporting him ( look at how badly he abused sandeep that one time). yet im willing to look past all that because hes working hard, hes improving, then why cant we do that for arpita who has always worked hard? is it fair to crush a girls dream, her future and dreams because honestly we ourselves are too bias and opionated to recongnize her talent.

arpita knows she has very little support, yet she has not given up- read this article on rediff, where she states that rex or qazi might win, but she still wont give up http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/oct/07arpita.htm this attitude, this focus is fantastic.

meanwhile her recent joke that has made her very unpopular, would u really tell the channel heads to get lost, if they ask u to do something- ur fate rests in their hands literally. and please would arpita really have been able to run away, with all those cameras watching her- and the whole police intervention made too much a mockery of it for anyone to be;live it, so then why would anyone take that joke too seriusly?

every week people on this forum exclaim that this week qai is 199 % out, and that the show is scripted. but tell me does that heppen? does he ever get kicked out, no he returns with even more votes than before. and then u ppl complain about the revenue sony is making

i was going to end at this point, but i managed to come across the chat transcript from friday. i was horrified ppl were down right horroble to arpita- telling her, u will leave next week, u r arrogant, selfish, u cry a lot. firstly so what if she cries, its a human emotion- we all cry when we fail then why judge her. then telling her all this to her face is that not worse, tell me how would u feel, if all of india seemed to hate u for voicing ur honest opinion(what everyone seems to love is qazis honesty- then why not arpitas why these double standards). the chat transcript as horrible, and belive me i would be crushed if after all my hardwork this was how ppl viewed me- so all u ppl who seem to think her performance is suffering, this is why- becuase of all this unnecessary hatred that is being targetd against her. why is she hated why is she evil, again for voicing her honest opinionl, then all those people against her, arent u doing the same thing, arent u also voicing ur honest opiniuon agaianst her. then why is she bas why is she being scape goated against. oh and when has she ever said or claimed to be beautiful- or when has she used that to her advantage

oh and this brave sacrifice that rupreka and qazi made, wasnt so brave. qazi knew that he would be saved by the public anyways, and rooprekha herself saiod that she would have saved arpita.

to conclude, (i know this is very long) i dont think arpita is bad at al. shes honest and exceptionally talented and belive me that is all that matters in a singing competition (especially in one where the faculty, the judges and the audience even are largely bias). i have nothing against qazi, i think he sings well now and has improved a lot, ant i wont mind if he wins. but arpita i belive is the most deserving candidate, and she works very hard. shes just misunderstood and misrepresented. i dont expect to alter the negativity against her all of sudden ( tho it is sad how badly shes targeted, imagine how u would feel in her place, shes not a bad person. she has a good heart, for no one bad could ever be so hardworking and ethical) , but i do hope that it lessens and that she gets some support. for frankly she is fantastic, and if she doesnt get chosen, i will be very disappointed with the public of india, who i feel would then have no regard for talent or hardwork (which are all that matter no?- again imagine urself in her place, is honesty really that bad)

to end i pray that all who hve suffered from the earthquake recover, and witnes their life return to normalcy immediately, and that very few casualties remain, and i beg u to- in this world of negativity- just think and consider, and judge with an open and fair mind

(i no this has been very long, but this will be my first and last post- tho i hope to post this elsewhere as well-but i had to say how i felt)

BEST OF LUCK ARPITA- I THINK URE THE BEST

I was intrigued by your post, so I wish to analyze it......

"firstly can a person really be that bad, and secondly what are we basing this on? what we see are clippings of her charcter and disposition on television. those people in fame gurukul- rex, ruprekha and qazi, they are the ones who spend the whole day with her, and do they think that- do they think of her as so? no. (even qazi keepn on voting for her) "

If you were just like the rest of us, you wouldn't know anything more Arpita than the next person, since all you would have to base your judgement on are those so called cllippings right ?????

"support that qazi has with the audience. she could easily have faked an affair with him to gain popularity. but did she do that? no- because she is too dignified too focussed to achieve

for crying out loud she is at least 5 years older than Qazi, it was just Rex's way of trying to malign him one way or the other......

"she works very hard (did not go home that one week so she could practice), is confident, is focussed, a good performer"

but Qazi also works very hard, at all odd hours of the night as well as opined by many including Padma. I always believed that in life, anything worth achieving is not easily achieved !!