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Posted: 10 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan

@ Juhi:

Agreed! Sanam has been the victim all along. Because her only crime was trusting someone she should not have. Even at times she said "I can close my eyes and trust you" to Shaad. Once or twice he looked disturbed by that statement at the start. But by the time they went to Himachal, he actually believed his own lies. That she is his wife. That is why when she said "I feel someone Close to me is near me", he rubbished the claims and said "I am your only truth!" Now what was THAT? Also telling that artist "she is my wife!" What was that? He knew very well she was not his wife and at the time of that conversation, she was nowhere near him. So WHY keep up the pretence? The only conclusion is, he himself had started to think this lie was True! What does that tell one of his state of mind? Strange much?


Even though I also agree Sanam should have paid more attention to the holes in the story and also the clues she had, STILL, she is the victim. All she did wrong was believe Shaad without much question. She attempted to act as a "wife" would with him. But we can't say that is HER fault and blame her. She was trying to act in good faith in the relationship she thought she was in! It was Shaad that misled her and played with her mental health, and played mind games with her! So the fault is HIS, coz he knew he was lying but she did not.


The blind trust in Shaad to some extent came from the fact that he saved her from that mob! She was lost and alone and he was her only help in that moment. Even when she was praying when Shaad was in hospital, she said "Main Shaad Ki ehesaan nehi chuka sakthi. Uske siva iss duniya main mera koi nahin". We can hear the gratitude and feel the fear. She only knows HIM. So she has a death grip on this person. Her only raft in a rough sea. Little does she know the very raft she is using to not drown, is pulling her under, and away from her real husband and any family she really has! Once again, trusting someone does not make you a culprit. Breaking someone's trust does! Also, Shaad need to tell her the truth to her FACE! If he can lie to her face, he can jolly well tell the truth to her face too! Lying to face and telling the truth in a letter? What the H is that?


Mandy, U have summed up Shaad and Jannat beautifully..👏

He is a coward who couldn't tell her to her face...😆...and honestly, I don't expect much heroism beyond his herogiri talks...as has been proven through his interactions with SK...and he is putting Jannat also at risk, knowing SK is a terrorist...and now knowing she is Sanam..and knowing the Mayor is a terrorist...he should really concentrate on WTH the terrorist is doing in Bhopal than wait for an Award to gathering proof against the International Terrorist..at the cost of his friend, dad, aunt, cousin...whats he waiting for? Add Sanam and Ahil to that list???😆


That's why I like him not apologising to Ahil. 😃The idiot still does not know how wrong he has been...IT IS ALL ABOUT HIM!- 😲

How he had fallen for her...HIS journey with her...How HE had been blind to her needs..(Really sweet was the fb of Jannat telling him- ek baar mila dey.)-😡..and finally he has the gall to say HE will unite Sahil! 😲

MY FOOT!😡


If the writers let go of the scope of this situation, they are really dumb.😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
#82
"Once again, trusting someone does not make you a culprit. Breaking someone's trust does! "

And..


Trusting someone when you have been given clues over and over again..makes U an idiot.

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Couldn't resist...Sorry.😳
Agree with the statement completely.👍🏼



Edited by chicksoup - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#83
Soup... I am not sure why you said the example is irrelevant. It hurts coz I am always relevant😆
Jokes apart, see, a victim is always the weakest one. If Sanam was not an idiot Shad would never have been able to con her beyond a couple of days. The script has established her as idiot and she has no training in maths. I am sure she forgot all that was taught in prep 1 and 2.
Toh Aahil giving clue to idiot makes no sense. I will never question her.
But Shad is definitely a sociopath for taking advantage of an idiot. Someone pointed out mentally challenged are most prone to such abuse. And he definitely has abused her. inappropriate touching even if not sex is abuse... And none can deny that he has overstepped his line. Calling him silly school boy is making his crime smaller.
BTW, in the much touted sex abuse case one of the culprit was underaged... !
No matter what you call Shad, I definitely see him as sociopath. He is an educated, cultured army guy. He is supposed to know the difference. How is he a school boy? How is he silly.? In fact he is very sly has not yet realized his mistake. He does not think he has done anything wrong by being all touchy and feely to the wife under the nose of the husband? It's not as if he does not know the ways of the society. He knows. So how can he not realize and appologise for his faults, which actually look like crime to me. What if he was doing this in Sanam's father's house? What would Asad have done.. point to ponder. Major ka Janaza uth jata...IMAGINE
Yes... Some of us view his acts as criminal and some of us view it as silly boy's acts. But a young woman's honor is at stake. do we all agree on this or even this is contentious? Even if the woman in question is an idiot she still has right to honor.
Khair... phew... peace out.
seems he still has the gall to get all touchy and feely .. its not me who says that, its the segment. He will continue the enjoyment.. whatever little he can get. Since he can't go all the way now...sigh... poor silly school boy😭
Edited by JShukla - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: JShukla

Soup... I am not sure why you said the example is irrelevant. It hurts coz I am always relevant😆

Jokes apart, see, a victim is always the weakest one. If Sanam was not an idiot Shad would never have been able to con her beyond a couple of days. The script has established her as idiot and she has no training in maths. I am sure she forgot all that was taught in prep 1 and 2.
Toh Aahil giving clue to idiot makes no sense. I will never question her.
But Shad is definitely a sociopath for taking advantage of an idiot. Someone pointed out mentally challenged are most prone to such abuse. And he definitely has abused her. inappropriate touching even if not sex is abuse... And none can deny that he has overstepped his line. Calling him silly school boy is making his crime smaller.
BTW, in the much touted sex abuse case one of the culprit was underaged... !
No matter what you call Shad, I definitely see him as sociopath. He is an educated, cultured army guy. He is supposed to know the difference. How is he a school boy? How is he silly.? In fact he is very sly has not yet realized his mistake. He does not think he has done anything wrong by being all touchy and feely to the wife under the nose of the husband? It's not as if he does not know the ways of the society. He knows. So how can he not realize and appologise for his faults, which actually look like crime to me. What if he was doing this in Sanam's father's house? What would Asad have done.. point to ponder. Major ka Janaza uth jata...IMAGINE
Yes... Some of us view his acts as criminal and some of us view it as silly boy's acts. But a young woman's honor is at stake. do we all agree on this or even this is contentious? Even if the woman in question is an idiot she still has right to honor.
Khair... phew... peace out.
seems he still has the gall to get all touchy and feely .. its not me who says that, its the segment. He will continue the enjoyment.. whatever little he can get. Since he can't go all the way now...sigh... poor silly school boy😭


I meant the eg,. was irrelevant to the situation...

J, There is no way we are getting around this, if UR happy bashing Shaad...(Who is not!😉😆)..

No, I mean...If U want to see how he has been portrayed U have to see what the writer intended...because they are constantly trying to tell us something, they have not developed their comm skills well enough, I guess. If U want to stick to your version and interpretation, that is fine...I understand your version, but it gets me nowhere as far as the storyline goes.

Ahil's hands are tied, because the moment he suggests she is Sanam, Jannat faints. Remeber- he even stopped Sanam 2 from telling her the truth...because he knew she'd say it in such a blunt way- it might kill her.😆 And it is not that he has been throwing only clues at a clueless woman..he went as far as the wedding photo..but she faints at the silliest things even now...so perhaps she is not strong enough to face the truth..which means he has to play along...and let her stumble on the truth herself...However idiotic the plot is, this is how the story is written...and this is what gives us the Sahil moments...and I don't complain about Shaad or Ahil or Sanam because I am getting entertained after a long time...Now if people are going to judge me based on what I watch, I cannot help it.

As for Sanam's honour..Right now, Ahil is bothered about her mental stability...and as much as her honour, his honour is at stake too- as husband and Nawab...he ignores that too. I find that OK, because he is biding time, suffering...so that she can come out unharmed...He has not abandoned her..he is doing everything (ELSE😉) he ca.

As for Shaad- 🥱- Whatever.😆 I don't have the patience to discuss him beyond what I have written. The guy saved her life..Thought she had feelings for him..and that confidence made him propose and confess to her...up until now, Shaad did not know that Jannat had no feelings whatsoever for him...so if he was a coward to hide under the husband tag before, somewhere he foolishly started believing she had as much feelings..and thats why he confessed to make it all 'proper'...Now, I call that silly...U call it sociopathic...But if he was sociopathic, he'd whisk her away and force himself on her...which he hasn't.

The Pak Army should be more stringent with their Intake, I guess.This guy took a wrong choice of career...He is a dreamer and a poet.🥱...No place for him in the army!😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Soupy...🤗
How do I find weird examples from real life. its only Gul who can cook up out of the world situations...I just felt you were putting too much onus on the victim(Sanam) to get out of her situation and no responsibility on Shad. which is why I felt just like my friend was not responsible for what happened to her, same way Sanam is not responsible for showing 'apnapan' to the imposed 'Shauhar' relation. May be you were not... Janney do..koi baat nahi.
Maybe my definition of sociopath is more wide. You hae it a lot more restricted, because this statement of yours caught me...
"if he was sociopathic, he'd whisk her away and force himself on her...which he hasn't."
It isn't only about whisking away or forcing himself, according to me. but then we all set different mental standards. But he did look creepy at numerous occasions to me.
(P.S. - I do not enjoy bashing him. the actor and the character both are too vanilla for my taste anyways. Koi dhang ka emotions naho dikhai deta... such a boring screen presence.)
Have a great day , my dear.😃
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Posted: 10 years ago
#86

Originally posted by: JShukla

Soupy...🤗

How do I find weird examples from real life. its only Gul who can cook up out of the world situations...I just felt you were putting too much onus on the victim(Sanam) to get out of her situation and no responsibility on Shad. which is why I felt just like my friend was not responsible for what happened to her, same way Sanam is not responsible for showing 'apnapan' to the imposed 'Shauhar' relation. May be you were not... Janney do..koi baat nahi.
Maybe my definition of sociopath is more wide. You hae it a lot more restricted, because this statement of yours caught me...
"if he was sociopathic, he'd whisk her away and force himself on her...which he hasn't."
It isn't only about whisking away or forcing himself, according to me. but then we all set different mental standards. But he did look creepy at numerous occasions to me.
(P.S. - I do not enjoy bashing him. the actor and the character both are too vanilla for my taste anyways. Koi dhang ka emotions naho dikhai deta... such a boring screen presence.)
Have a great day , my dear.😃



J,

U didn't read me completely. I am more bugged with her hiding her feelings..from her shauhar..that is not acceptable to me...she needs to confide in someone...and if this had happened with Ahil in a reversal of situation, I'd never forgive her not confiding in him...From this point, when I look back...there are a lot of things I don't agree with about Jannat even if she is the wronged one..and there is no denying the fact that her ott reactions encouraged Shaad more- she was flaunting herself and he thought she had fallen for him. If I take your example..if your friend had flirted with the guy, he might have read it as her being 'interested' in him and he hit on her, thinking that was what she expected from him- kind of like a signal she was sending out to him...(I know that was not how it was..but thats how I equate it with Shaad- Jannat)


@ bold- I bet everyone on this thread would agree.😆

J, I am frustrated too...Half the time I imagine how Akash would have done this role...and I feel like hanging the casting Director for messing it up...and they under utilse Akash so much!

If they had got Seher for Shaad,. at least I could have FFwded like I did with Ra Ha...😃...ab woh option bhi nahi hai.😆 (At least, not yet.😉)

I really can get your frustration here...precisely why we all had to make peace with the writer and his half baked story...anything for our love birds.😉😆 We refuse to be frustrated! 😎

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Topic closed for review.

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