Why Salim behaves the way he does?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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The above is maslow hierarchy of need
Every human moves to next stage in hierarchy only if his previous needs are met
Lets take case of Salim - he is a prince he has enough food, clothing, employment, property etc
But right from second pyramid he is missing a family and social stability- one day he is walihaad next day he is prince another week may be shall become walihaad etc
Sometimes if there is a great tragedy people instead of moving up the ladder fall down the pyramid again like loss of family, loss of property or grave tragedy like earth quake etc. Then they start again from first pyramid and start moving up usually. Sometimes they may fall one pyramid down like they shall be on 4th pyramid and fall to 3rd etc. Ex: when Salim loses anarkali he shall move down from pyramid 3 to pyramid 2, when he loses nur jahan he shall go from pyramid 3 to one higher pyramid 4 because he has a family who loves him a man bai who adores, cares and respect him, his kids who love and care for him. Once a man has kids its rare for him to fall down the third pyramid because children give pure love that does not change with situation so either they stay in same stage or move up. So he may lose nur jahan but his will to go higher in pyramid stays because of his small kids and his dependents like his dependent wives, his aged mothers etc. He wants to achieve for them earn for them his failure may destroy their future every man is aware of that so he does not let a love failure, a job failure to defeat him they keep trying and move up for sake ogf their kids and dependent family(especially kids). The fathers aim usually is to ensure his kids have a better life than him and usually they focus on that rather than love failure, career failure, humiliation by family and outside world (parents, sibling, relatives) etc
Salim never had the third pyramid that is love and belonging from a small age- his family was away from him, he was among adults so hardly had a friend group of his age and culture and status(mind you friends means you cannot expect a beggar to be a friend of prince from chuildhood and expect prince to behave like a king, salim's friends in war field must have been common soldiers from lower starta or at most middle class starta), since he was in war field he has no intimacy with family, he does not feel connected at agra fort and wants to go back to war as he knows only war field now. He was a child soldier and that has had a great impact on his mind and behavior for past 10 years.
Fourth pyramid - like I said when salim has not ben fulfilled second and third stage of pyramid how shall he go to 4th stage of life needs that is confidence, self esteem, respect of others, unique individual etc 5th need of maslow self actualization I do not think he shall achieve till he becomes emperor. That is when his true potential was seen where he realized all the needs of 5th stage. That is morality- he was known as adil padshah for his justice, he brought creativity when he took Mughal miniature paintings to its heights etc Though his health and age and family feuds by sons and wife never allowed him to reach the heights he may have had in him.
I have given only for Salim example but same can go for murad, daniyal, Akbar etc
Akbar had 50 years to achieve what he did. So each king cannot truly be compared as the age they become king, their health, their family atmosphere and support, their childhood upbringing, etc play very important role in achievement of potential like shown in pyramid
Now gouing by that pyramid we can analyze salim behavior to large extent why he has low self esteem, self pity, anger, hatred etc

Yes Salim was wrong in running away from scene leaving a small boy injured and never told parents. If anarkali was not there he would have died. Anarkali was also right in telling truth in court. But law is basically same for all humans and law for children and adults is different. What I feel is that making salim do hard labour in that boys house was to some extent harsh. The boy and anarkali has trespassed in salim's garden, that was a royal garden and anarkali and that boy were stealing mangoes etc from that place. When they both were not punished for stealing and entering private property of emperor I think punishing Salim like that was a bit harsh. And here the parent and judge was same Akbar. What I am saying is if Akbar and Jodha had not put fear inSalim's heart the child would have told what happened in garden to them? Many children hide their faults and crimes to parents or do more bigger crimes to hide from family in fear. Why create a situation where child is so scared that he hides from parents his crime? Even today in india majority people run off the accident spot even adults in fear.

Secondly justice should be seen as equal in eyes of criminal. Rashid Khan was forgiven for allowing the kidnapper stay in his house and risking Salim life but Salim was punished for hitting a child who was trespassing and stealing a child in his private property. That is how a small child will think. So it was Akbar and Jodha duty to explain to him that in future if he do any error to help victim or come and tell parents truth. Did the issue of hiding and lying go away for child? Noo any punishment should remove the crime not the criminal. Did Salim stop lying and hiding with parents nooo? Did he stop being scared of parents? Nooo Even today when his dad-mom, come to his room he gets scared, even today he has no braveness to go and say I love anarkali not manbai. Even today he hide and drink and take hafim. Then what is use of that punishment? A punishment should make person realize his mistake and make him stop doing that act again the act of hiding from parents. Whole world knows Salim loves anarkali his brothers, milk brothers, haider etc but parents have no idea. How come and why? Because salim is still old 7 year old salim not changed he still fears and hides from parents. So what use was that punishment.

Akbar or Jodha never once sat with salim and explained why he was punished? what was his fault? they never said once that you can come and say anything without fear to us not once.

Third Salim as a child has hardly seen parents love and affection especially Akbar. His upbringing was more military type rather than a family environment. Emphasis was always on him becoming a better king not on giving him a better childhood and love and care. It was always to make him rough and tough and a soldier never to make him a better human etc. Akbar always believed that a best emperor is a best soldier and his over all upbringing was ignored. What about values, what about studies, what about play, what about giving a protective environment in form of family etc. All that was ignored and only one sided warfare training was emphasis by Akbar. The most important thing a human should have is emotional stability and sense of being loved(second and third pyramid)

Salim does not have confidence to go and tell his parents he loves anarkali because the third pyramid of need is not fulfilled at all. And to that he has to go to 4th stage. May be once he gets the second and third pyramid that is love and belonging towards a person anarkali(or in history in 1599 nur jahan was married to ali quli) he does a bhagawat
Salim has no employment and stability- 2nd phase too one day he is walihaad and next day he goes back to prince not crown prince etc
So Salim is still in 2nd phase of needs in life he is still craving for a family who shall love him, care for him, who connect to him as a human and speak to him and treat him intimately. Only then he shall go to fourth stage in life needs. His confidence increase, fear will go, he want to achieve something in life(be next emperor as per history before he dies of addiction), he will start achieving his potential after bhagawat only. Is that not surprising that some people start achieving only once they revolt against their superior or equal partner? Yes here Salim went to achievement and individual self esteem started developing after revolt to Akbar.
But surprise of surpise many great achievers have revolted first then only achieved pyramid 4 and 5. That includes freedom fighters, scientist, business men(bill gates, ambani)
Majority of companies were started or flourished after their founders revolted, all countries got freedom after revolt by their leaders, world war was won because the leader revolted, Akbar and ashoka became great because they revolted against society or religious norms etc So all great things and human potentioan starts with revolts only usually against old norms or old leaders etc
Uff it was too long sorry if I bored you
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I lkie reading your post,but cvs have gotten all messed up,this salim is a confused person,as you said he was known for his justice but this reel salim lacks everything first he doesnt look like a prince he lacks judgement,hes always angry,to me writers did a big blundder writing his character for once i dont believe he was weak as shown in the show,he was animal lover yet we see nothing of that sort on ja its always about him and his parents and anar and his anger
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: amina1

I lkie reading your post,but cvs have gotten all messed up,this salim is a confused person,as you said he was known for his justice but this reel salim lacks everything first he doesnt look like a prince he lacks judgement,hes always angry,to me writers did a big blundder writing his character for once i dont believe he was weak as shown in the show,he was animal lover yet we see nothing of that sort on ja its always about him and his parents and anar and his anger

you are right the CVs have goofed up big time making him hate his parents
whoever wrote the script should be sacked as he has failed big time
because salim hates his parents TRP going down
Here I was just analyzing why salim acting like he is doing here to find some logic
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I DONT AGREE WITH YOU


SALIM HAS SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT JALAL HAD WHEN HE WAS SALIM'S AGE.


IF YOU CAN EVER LOOK BEYOND THIS DISGUSTING DRAMATIC REPRESENTATION, YOU WOULD REALIZE THIS FACT


SALIM HAD A HUGE EMPIRE READY FOR HIM. HE HAD A LOVING FAMILY WITH GOOD PARENTS, GRAMDMOM, SIBLINGS AND ALL OTHER INMATES OF HAREM


HE HAD FRIENDS TOO. MAY BE A LOT OF THEM WERE FRIENDS COZ HE WAS THE HEIR


COMPARE ALL THIS WITH WHAT JALAL STARTED OUT


AT ONE TIME EVEN LEVEL ONE NEEDS WERE NOT FULFILLED IN JALAL'S LIFE.


AT CERTAIN JUNCTURE EVEN HIS LIFE WAS INSECURE BECAUSE OF ENEMY ATTACKS.


EVERYTHING HE CREATED WAS HIS OWN EFFORT.


ALL THIS SYMPATHY FOR THE JA CHARACTER OF SALIM IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY - AND TOTALLY UNDESERVED


APART FROM THE INITIAL DAYS, CVS HAVE ALWAYS PROJECTED HIM AS A NEGATIVE PERSON - ALWAYS ANGRY, ALWAYS UNHAPPY, ALWAYS WALLOWING IN SELF PITY, ALWAYS RUDE TO EVERYONE, ALWAYS BELIEVING THAT NO ONE LOVES HIM, ALWAYS MISTRUSTING EVERONE'S INTENTIONS, ALWAYS PLACING HIS TRUST ON THE WRONG PEOPLE
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sabdabhala



I DONT AGREE WITH YOU


SALIM HAS SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT JALAL HAD WHEN HE WAS SALIM'S AGE.


IF YOU CAN EVER LOOK BEYOND THIS DISGUSTING DRAMATIC REPRESENTATION, YOU WOULD REALIZE THIS FACT


SALIM HAD A HUGE EMPIRE READY FOR HIM. HE HAD A LOVING FAMILY WITH GOOD PARENTS, GRAMDMOM, SIBLINGS AND ALL OTHER INMATES OF HAREM


HE HAD FRIENDS TOO. MAY BE A LOT OF THEM WERE FRIENDS COZ HE WAS THE HEIR


COMPARE ALL THIS WITH WHAT JALAL STARTED OUT


AT ONE TIME EVEN LEVEL ONE NEEDS WERE NOT FULFILLED IN JALAL'S LIFE.


AT CERTAIN JUNCTURE EVEN HIS LIFE WAS INSECURE BECAUSE OF ENEMY ATTACKS.


EVERYTHING HE CREATED WAS HIS OWN EFFORT.


ALL THIS SYMPATHY FOR THE JA CHARACTER OF SALIM IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY - AND TOTALLY UNDESERVED


APART FROM THE INITIAL DAYS, CVS HAVE ALWAYS PROJECTED HIM AS A NEGATIVE PERSON - ALWAYS ANGRY, ALWAYS UNHAPPY, ALWAYS WALLOWING IN SELF PITY, ALWAYS RUDE TO EVERYONE, ALWAYS BELIEVING THAT NO ONE LOVES HIM, ALWAYS MISTRUSTING EVERONE'S INTENTIONS, ALWAYS PLACING HIS TRUST ON THE WRONG PEOPLE

that is in history dear not in serial
in history salim was luckiest guy on planet at that time except going to war fields at small age rest all was great going to him
In serial salim behaves so because that sense of belonging by family is lacking
Akbar level1 was tough till age of 9 years till his dad humayun won over his brothers
He reached level2 immediately as humayun won him huge empire and both his parents and many foster parents doted on him and no rivalary in form of brothers etc
Level3 and 4 from age 20 when maham died to age 35
Level 5 reached from 35 to 65
But Akbar was a good strategist he knew how to manipulate things in his way that salim etc lacked look at his great moves he made marriage alliance with rajpuths whom he found difficult to defeat, he used rajputh generals to fight against rajpuths, he created fear in mind of enemies by mascaraing 30000 people in chitter siege, that is why during ranathambore siege they surrendered fast etc brilliant politican and PR strategist. And Akbar got 49 years to learn and rectify mistakes unlike babar, jehangir, shah jahan etc
Compare that with dumb jehangir he anatogised Sikhs by torturing their guru for blessing khusrau during rebellion, he blinded khusrau making people sympathise, he married nur jahan an widow and allowed her to rule from front(mumtaz and jahanara ruled from behind for shah jahan), he antogised muslim clerics by arresting them I mean one PR disaster after another from him
Edited by myviewprem - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

you are right the CVs have goofed up big time making him hate his parents

whoever wrote the script should be sacked as he has failed big time
because salim hates his parents TRP going down
Here I was just analyzing why salim acting like he is doing here to find some logic

logic prem in this show,thats too much to ask for sach me i do feel bad for salim and that shas of iran thing just made matters worse for akbar jodha and salim,i dont like this salim but kind of feel bad that he has to go trough this think as is not his fault
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Posted: 10 years ago
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amazing analytical post prem
sadly the cvs have messed it all up
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Writers are following mea,the way akbar and salim relationship was father son clash ,normal young old blood ,akbar wanted a strong son like him but he has his on thoght and opinion ,but here wrters have messed up,by introducing anar so young and he was punished for mistake not a gunah and list goes on,now the final blow came with this senseless iran track,and ja salim is valcano rademto blow any time,he rebeled and anar is one reason,but to me his whole thing just fell flat,desprate messures nothing else,tomgain tRp

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