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Posted: 11 years ago
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Can we steer this discussion to one of freedom of speech and religious tolerance/intolerance?
The BS topic on freedom of speech in PK and Charlie Hebdo got shut down. I'm hoping we can keep it alive here.

Will add more later. Just some good articles IMO.

http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-ins-with-christians-than-with-muslims/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/01/charlie_hebdo_the_french_satirical_magazine_is_heroic_it_is_also_racist.html
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Attack on Charlie Hebdo - Wrong

Attack on mosques - Wrong


Addressing any complaint or grievance in a violent abusive manner is wrong. Freedom of speech grants us the right to offend and get offended. It is bound to cause friction and abrasion. We need to learn to respond to it more wisely.


As for Indian Muslims. There are tolerant and intolerant ones. I am fortunate that all my interactions have been with the tolerant and smart ones who do not condone extremism.


Politicians like this dude are major assholes. I recommend Indian authorities to arrest and charge him for aiding and abetting terrorism. The same goes for any and all politicians who encourage violence and acts of terrors for their religious or political goals.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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my goodness what is this moron up to...🤢


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shaan85

Actually every religion here have hordes of headless chickens also who nominates 1 among them to be some Yakub Qureshis , Yogi Adityanaths , Owaisis , Uma Bhartis etc etc..
Recently , in the same way , saffron MP Sakshi Maharaj openly praised killer of Mahatma Gandhi as a patriot..
They are just different faces of same Ravana..


All the same for some reason its mainly people who profess to belong to a particular religion that indulge in mass killings almost on a regular basis. I consider it a good sign that at least a few Muslims are beginning to speak up against such mindless violence but their large majority is still silent. Some are quick to say that their religion preaches peace and these killers are misguided or misled but then what exactly are their religious leaders doing to condemn these heinous acts and correct any misguidance that may be going on in the name of their religion?
How long can intolerance and peace co exist 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Believe-


my goodness what is this moron up to...🤢


Don't worry just a few wires were loose and some burnt out. He needs to go back to the factory for major overhall and repairs 😆
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Yet another case of bounty being offered for the head of a person who made comments that did not go down well with some.😲 How is that no such bounty gets offered when people killed innocent children in Peshawar 😕

"Rs 1,00,786 bounty on Muslim cleric who called Shiva 'messenger of Islam'


BAREILLY: Muslim cleric and leader of the Jamiat Ulema Hind, Mufti Mohammad Ilyas Qasmi, had referred to Lord Shiva as the "first messenger of Islam" in Ayodhya on Thursday, asserting that Indian Muslims were followers of the Sanathan Dharma. Now, the Bareilly-based All India Faizan-e-Madina Council, a socio-political group, has announced a bounty of Rs 1,00,786 on his head. The 'national president' of the outfit, Mooen Siddiqui Noori, on Monday said the cash award would be given only to a Muslim. An "Islamic" sword would also be presented to the killer. Noori said he would like to teach all people making such irresponsible statements a lesson. "For teaching such people a lesson so they never make such remarks again, I have decided that any Indian Muslim who gives me the head of Qasmi will be given a cash reward of Rs 1,00,786. He will also get an 'Islamic sword'."


In Shariat-governed Saudi Arabia, criminals are punished with an Islamic sword, Noori explained.

"Sharia is not enforced in our country, but we can follow it to deal with traitors. I am aware that my announcement will land me in jail, but I'm not scared," Noori claimed.

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Originally posted by: Shaan85

Causes ( and hence the solution) behind all this turmoil will turn out to be highly mushy if the events that catapulated into contemporary world order are perused with an 'open' mind..Have you heard of Frankestein called USA ??


" The fact that the United States has a long and torrid history of backing terrorist groups will surprise only those who watch the news and ignore history.

The CIA first aligned itself with extremist Islamic groups during the Cold War era. Back then, America saw the world in rather simple terms: on one side, the Soviet Union and Third World nationalism, which America regarded as a Soviet tool; on the other side, Western nations and militant political Islam, which America considered an ally in the struggle against the Soviet Union.

The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan, General William Odom recently remarked, "by any measure the U.S. has long used terrorism. In 1978-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism - in every version they produced, the lawyers said the U.S. would be in violation."

During the 1970's the CIA used the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt as a barrier, both to thwart Soviet expansion and prevent the spread of Marxist ideology among the Arab masses. The United States also openly supported Sarekat Islam against Sukarno in Indonesia, and supported the Jamaat-e-Islami terror group against Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in Pakistan. Last but certainly not least, there is Al Qaeda.

Lest we forget, the CIA gave birth to Osama Bin Laden and breastfed his organization during the 1980's. Former British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook, told the House of Commons that Al Qaeda was unquestionably a product of Western intelligence agencies. Mr. Cook explained that Al Qaeda, which literally means an abbreviation of "the database" in Arabic, was originally the computer database of the thousands of Islamist extremists, who were trained by the CIA and funded by the Saudis, in order to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan.

America's relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair. Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group. Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy.

The Islamic State is its latest weapon that, much like Al Qaeda, is certainly backfiring. ISIS recently rose to international prominence after its thugs began beheading American journalists. Now the terrorist group controls an area the size of the United Kingdom.

In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization's American-backed roots. The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein's secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration. The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs. Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni's lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni's were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence. Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root.

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) used to have a different name: Al Qaeda in Iraq. After 2010 the group rebranded and refocused its efforts on Syria.

There are essentially three wars being waged in Syria: one between the government and the rebels, another between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and yet another between America and Russia. It is this third, neo-Cold War battle that made U.S. foreign policy makers decide to take the risk of arming Islamist rebels in Syria, because Syrian President, Bashar al-Assad, is a key Russian ally. Rather embarrassingly, many of these Syrian rebels have now turned out to be ISIS thugs, who are openly brandishing American-made M16 Assault rifles.

America's Middle East policy revolves around oil and Israel. The invasion of Iraq has partially satisfied Washington's thirst for oil, but ongoing air strikes in Syria and economic sanctions on Iran have everything to do with Israel. The goal is to deprive Israel's neighboring enemies, Lebanon's Hezbollah and Palestine's Hamas, of crucial Syrian and Iranian support.

ISIS is not merely an instrument of terror used by America to topple the Syrian government; it is also used to put pressure on Iran.

The last time Iran invaded another nation was in 1738. Since independence in 1776, the U.S. has been engaged in over 53 military invasions and expeditions. Despite what the Western media's war cries would have you believe, Iran is clearly not the threat to regional security, Washington is. An Intelligence Report published in 2012, endorsed by all sixteen U.S. intelligence agencies, confirms that Iran ended its nuclear weapons program in 2003. Truth is, any Iranian nuclear ambition, real or imagined, is as a result of American hostility towards Iran, and not the other way around.

America is using ISIS in three ways: to attack its enemies in the Middle East, to serve as a pretext for U.S. military intervention abroad, and at home to foment a manufactured domestic threat, used to justify the unprecedented expansion of invasive domestic surveillance.

By rapidly increasing both government secrecy and surveillance, Mr. Obama's government is increasing its power to watch its citizens, while diminishing its citizens' power to watch their government. Terrorism is an excuse to justify mass surveillance, in preparation for mass revolt.

The so-called "War on Terror" should be seen for what it really is: a pretext for maintaining a dangerously oversized U.S. military. The two most powerful groups in the U.S. foreign policy establishment are the Israel lobby, which directs U.S. Middle East policy, and the Military-Industrial-Complex, which profits from the former group's actions. Since George W. Bush declared the "War on Terror" in October 2001, it has cost the American taxpayer approximately 6.6 trillion dollars and thousands of fallen sons and daughters; but, the wars have also raked in billions of dollars for Washington's military elite.

In fact, more than seventy American companies and individuals have won up to $27 billion in contracts for work in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan over the last three years, according to a recent study by the Center for Public Integrity. According to the study, nearly 75 per cent of these private companies had employees or board members, who either served in, or had close ties to, the executive branch of the Republican and Democratic administrations, members of Congress, or the highest levels of the military.

In 1997, a U.S. Department of Defense report stated, "the data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement abroad and an increase in terrorist attacks against the U.S." Truth is, the only way America can win the "War On Terror" is if it stops giving terrorists the motivation and the resources to attack America. Terrorism is the symptom; American imperialism in the Middle East is the cancer. Put simply, the War on Terror is terrorism; only, it is conducted on a much larger scale by people with jets and missiles. "


To 'demons'trate further how religion (or more proper , few fanatic voices found among all religious groups) can be easily set into motion as a pawn to serve ulterior interest of selfish nature and the faeces (end result) of which is always the subject religion getting demonized , the desi version of U.S. i.e. Indira Gandhi is the glaring example..She found and nurtured small time petty Sikh fanatics to a grandeur scale to counter her opponents Akalis in Punjab and everybody knows 'what happened next' ...

"The late 1970s and the early 1980s saw the increasing involvement of the Sikh religious leader Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale in the Punjab politics. Indira Gandhi's Congress(I) party supported Bhindranwale in a bid to split the Sikh votes and weaken the Akali Dal, its chief rival in Punjab.The Congress supported the candidates backed by Bhindranwale in the 1978 SGPC elections. The Congress leader Giani Zail Singh allegedly financed the initial meetings of the separatist organization Dal Khalsa, which disrupted the December 1978 Ludhiana session of the Akali Dal with provocative anti-Hindu wall writing.In the 1980 election, Bhindranwale supported Congress-I candidates Gurdial Singh Dhillon and Raghunandan Lal Bhatia. Bhindranwale was originally not very influential, but the activities of the Congress elevated him to the status of a major leader by the early 1980s.
Political analysts aver that Bhindrawale proved a Frankstein for the Congress for whose benefit he was allegedly brought to the fore by the Congress. His emergence on the map of Punjab, his flight with Akalis, his taking part in SGPC elections, his open support to Congress in Parliament and State elections in 1980, his free movement with gun carrying followers in the whole of India, his safe escape from Chando Kalan in Haryana in 1981, his release after interrogation on the charges of murder of Lala Jagat Narain, the founder of Hind Samachar group of newspapers, his entry in Golden Temple Complex and many other such events are interpreted as political maneuverings. "


... Thousands of people perished.. "Mass killings began happening on regular basis mainly by people who profess to belong to a particular religion"!! And that is how , Sikhs found themselves in the 'same' shoes..And the majority of Sikhs were still silent !!
And now , Sikhism is again percieved (going by popular opinion) as a religion which preaches peace !!

Conclusion : nothing is beyond manipulation now ; what is needed is just an ulterior motive and a suave blending of human biasness and fowl cries..


edit : ps - I m not a Muslim..Ok..

Yes most the foreign intervention in other countries does have a lot of self interest. It magnifies domestic problems into chaos, civil wars and mass killings.
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