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Soaps1

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Posted: 11 years ago

to us as one of affection ever? Where we felt she pours her love on him? or where you felt she loves him and she showed him the same love? or where he longs for her love and affection? All we saw was a relationship where Sahir respected her ... where even Alvira had to ask Sahir before deciding who can stay in the house ... and Sahir always valued her opinion and never said no to her out of respect

Alvira never poured love on Sahir nor their relationship was ever shown as one where Sahir depended on her for love of a mother ... even when he was all broken after arzoo's rape she did not do as much as put a hand on his shoulder ... when he put everything for mortgage he did not ask her nor listened to her when she said how can he do it.

Ok you all must be wondering why i am writing this? Because yesterday they tried to establish his trust in her (or that is what we feel they were trying to do) and may be the future track involves (with spoiler of alvira asking sahir to fire anam for misbehaving with arzoo) is to show sahir's blind trust in alvira and how he longed for a mother's love and hence when he got it he blindly trusted her!

I feel the track won't make much sense ... a lot of people are talking about movie beta ... in movie beta the mother had showered love on the son (even if manipulating) we have never seen Alvira do that ... we have never seen a relationship between Sahir and Alvira that even remotely looked like that of a mother and son and hence the track will be misplaced and way too contrived, if they suddenly show sahir longed for a mother's love and hence blindly trusts her because that love was never shown, never established!

Also when Arzoo told Sahir she knows his truth and knows about Alvira not being his mom ... Sahir did not say anything like for me she is my mother, i am not alone, you know emphasizing the worth of relationship in his life, he just said its' not important!

So I was wondering is it possible Sahir knows Alvira is up to something? (yes i know such things happen only in the world of our imagination) With so much happening in the house it would be really weird if they don't show Sahir working to find out the truth behind the scenes ... he knows arzoo was attacked ... he knows he was poisoned ... he knows someone brought zeenat to the pool ... Sahir has always been someone who has wanted to be in control of things ... then how can he not be working to find the truth? Not just that it would be out of character but also quite stupid! Sahir is not someone who will let ACP deal with it and sit silently and watch! So he should be the one finding the truth working behind the scenes because he has to protect arzoo ... that is what he said in the first scene yesterday that i won't let anything happen to you ... and its' not possible to protect her without being pro-active is it?

Also is Sahir doing something about the mortgage? Trying to find a new investor? Has he already got one? Its' high time they show something about that ... its' really not hard to solve that track ... because finding another investor would look a lot more real than a lot of other things ... because else this whole track of alvira trying to get sayarra hold makes no sense because sayarra is mortgaged what would she get out of something that is already gone?

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Posted: 11 years ago

I would be very happy if he actually does think Alvira is upto something!

I felt it was very odd the way he simply asked Arzoo to go along with Alvira yesterday..so this would make sense!

Him believing Alvira over Arzoo wouldn't make for a good track simply because Even with whatever he had with Alvira he was still broken and Arzoo is the one who cracked that shell of his!

The mortgage is something only we remember it looks like! Hopefully Sahir will do something about it soon...because the deal deadline is long gone and he still has to fulfil his promise and save what he already has!

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Posted: 11 years ago

Nadia

As far as my memory goes Alvira has alyways been pro zaki n sahir has Been a "means " to benefit zaki exceot if u discount the fact tht she wanted SaAz to marry n reasons are unknown 😆

Now Alvira has also not Been fond of Anam KA n she isn't too much in love with Zeenat too

All this is a recipe for disaster n well BETA or not , Alvira sure is a culprit or an ally bas

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Posted: 11 years ago

Nadia... I would be OK with Yo-Yo if Sahir is working with him behind the scenes although we have no indication of that happening. Sahir not doing anything doesn't make any sense at all because we have always seen him as a proactive guy. Be it factory blast or challenge with Zaki or deal with Rahman or mortgaging his property. He is always on the move. Thinking, doing... Now out of blue if they turn into a guy desp need of mother's love and approval it would look totally odd.

But I am not banking on CVs for any kind of character consistency here. They don't remember what happened between September and December. Ecri needs to call her Dr Khurana to treat this particular brand of amnesia. 🤣

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Posted: 11 years ago

Alvira is a very cunning player. She makes her moves very subtly. Infact initially I used to think that the negative characters don't have any class in this show , but if Alvira is negative , then my opinion changes.

Getting to the point , I don't think Sahir trusts her , but she made a move yesterday. She knows how much Aarzoo matters to Sahir and that he will do anything to stop Aarzoo from being arrested, so she steps in and saves her. Sahir will start trusting her now when it comes to Aarzoo and she will use it to manipulate him further , at least thats what I think.

Another point to note , did you notice the way that Sahir said , Ammi hain na , sab such sambalengi ?

There is something between them , which only they both know and may be Zeenath. The accident was probably set up to shut her up. Maybe she threatened them or blackmailed them after Sahir trusted her with that secret ... whatever ! 😕

P.S : Had I used my brain this much when I was studying I would have gone places 😉

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Soaps1

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Posted: 11 years ago

pearly Sahir saying ammi hien na sab sambhal lien gi was more to keep arzoo shut i feel ... he knew alvira is lying and may be he feared sachbaaz arzoo would speak up so to keep her quiet he said that ... but yes on the face of it what they showed looks like they are going the way of sahir trusting alvira ... but like i said it would make little sense in the context of relationship they have

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Soaps1
pearly Sahir saying ammi hien na sab sambhal lien gi was more to keep arzoo shut i feel ... he knew alvira is lying and may be he feared sachbaaz arzoo would speak up so to keep her quiet he said that ... but yes on the face of it what they showed looks like they are going the way of sahir trusting alvira ... but like i said it would make little sense in the context of relationship they have

Possible, it is not easy to stop Aarzoo from talking ... anyway ... what else is left for them to butcher , once they are done with characters they start off on relationships !

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war_is_peace

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Posted: 11 years ago

dekh maine bhi yahi socha ki sahir knows and he is upto something but, we should remember that sahir plays a cameo so his role need not be detailed...toh itna expect karke sab hopes gaye dariyaa mein...😆

'neki karr swimming pool mein daal' so basically yahan toh kuch kehna hi stupid hai...😡

tuune dekha nahi yest instead of investigation who will benefit by killing sahir/arzoo that dumb head was investigating who wants to kill zeenat! 🤢 imagine agar wo pehle sahir/arzoo ka sochta toh usse answer zeenat/zaki milta😳

khair mujhe toh lagta hai zeenat khud hi swimming pool mein aa gayi...self planned safe attack on herself 😆

Nads samabhal jaa hum itne hopes rakhenge aur milega sahir alvira ka motherly love 🤢

justification toh gayi tel lene

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Posted: 11 years ago

Nads I feel that they have shifted the focus from Sahir to Az now. She is shown to be the thinking one, the limelight seems to be on her, now with Alvira being shown fishy, it may turn out to be a saas bahu blah kinda stuff with both the wifey and MIl in a wrestle to gain Sahir's trust.

I somehow don't find Sahir's trust in Alvira fishy at all. Maybe i have perceived their relationship in a different way, but i always believe that he sees her as someone he can look up to and believes that she will help him wherever required. The belief stems out of the past incidents in his life for sure.

If you remember the initial episodes where they showed Shiraj, he mentions that Alvira can easily manipulate Sahir into anything and thats why frustrated he leaves for Dubai and she doesn't stop him. Later when she gives Zaki as an idi to him, he is stunned but she knows he will simply agree. Zaki being offered a VP position is part of Al's manipulation only. Sahir just can't see or doesn't want to see anything beyond his mom's wishes.

When the Nausheen khandaan is about to leave after Ka's insult, alvira asks him to step in to stop them and without questioning he obeys her. Even when AZ is employed in Sayara , he is upset but concedes because ammi wants it.

For him Al is his support system, she stands by his lies to Az, is ok about Zaki's marriage to Sam for Sayara, and even prefers him over Zee, her own daughter, because she wants him to move on in life and be happy. How can he not believe in her ?

The scene where he begs Alvira to stop Az from leaving from Lucknow is heart rending, he is on his knees begging her to stop Az, she shows no affection or concern but goes to the room and stops Az from leaving. We know she has vested interest but he doesn't know that. For him, he asked and ammi ne theek kar diya.

I have a feeling even in the Zee's accident, he might have been the suspect, but she might have supported him so that he doesn't go to jail just the way she is lying to protect Az. N maybe it is replaying in his mind and he says Ammi sab theek kar degi believing that she will protect Az just the way she has protected him all these years from the police. I am sure he is indebted to her for many more things and if we are lucky enough, cvs ki kripa, we might get to see what ties him to Al and this family.

My only problem is that the story is not from Sahir's POV anymore. The USP of HS was that the whole story revolved around the male lead for a change. You could see his thoughts, his actions, reactions, manipulations, subsequent guilt and thats what made the show so special. That is sorely missing now and it just looks like any other ho hum serial now, Just hope that they quickly correct that and bring back the limelight on SAC. If his character gets lost in the melee of the new tracks, then HS will not be worth watching anymore.

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Originally posted by: true2heart

My only problem is that the story is not from Sahir's POV any more. The USP of HS was that the whole story revolved around the male lead for a change. You could see his thoughts, his actions, reactions, manipulations, subsequent guilt and thats what made the show so special. That is sorely missing now and it just looks like any other ho hum serial now, Just hope that they quickly correct that and bring back the limelight on SAC. If his character gets lost in the melee of the new tracks, then HS will not be worth watching anymore.

Thats the whole thing and that makes no sense I hate the way they have minimized the impact of his pain ... no matter one his past needs to be revealed through him ... we need to relive his past through his thoughts, his pain else it just won't have the impact ... arzoo finding it out and revealing it one by one will really have no impact ... much better would be sahir finally reaching a breaking point and revealing it to her and audience ... because u need to feel his pain and that is only possible if you see it through him not through some medical file, servant or tids bits of arzoo finding things ... his pain, his past was the major USP and high point and i just hate what they are doing to it

And yes sheraz did say alvira can make him do anything but fact is sahir did not make zaki the VP ... yes he has always respected alvira and kept her word too ... but to say he their relationship was of affection or love ... well it was never

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