Blast from the Past Thread #26 ** Talk to me ** P 132, Ep 299 - Page 114

Originally posted by: indi52

cyn,

just want to say something about that khushi saying i will leave right now scene.

as far as i am concerned, she is a very young girl, very hurt, exhausted... and yes, she loves asr, loves his sister, will do anything to not hurt anjali and so is willing to make the biggest sacrifice and end her marriage.

but at the same time, the khushi i know also believes in the sanctity of marriage... on the idea of absolutely no matter what commitment. she considers it a gift from above, one to be cherished...

here is a loose and bad translation of her moving words from episode 80. a fascinating scene really.

the idea of marriage isn't made by me, mr arnav singh raizada. i haven't made this custom. this is a blessing from god. it's this world's most sacred relationship. when someone makes a promise to spend his/her entire life with someone... when someone, even after death doesn't want to be separated from someone... when someone prays that the partner's every problem is given to him/her instead... every pain is given to him/her... if need be then one is willing to give one's own life in exchange for the other's... with this promise is life completed. but people like you don't understand this relationship.

to me, a girl who believes this will try to do everything to make her marriage work. and at thsi point se does believe it is a real marriage... which is why when he brings up the contract, she is shattered and says even after all this you believe it is only a contract? so i read from that, she believes this is a real marriage.

this is the second night they are spending together after the kidnap. they have just openly confessed their love and accepted each other. horrific days have preceded this. now the trauma of shyam stalks everyone.

in a terribly stressful situation, he has lost his cool, been immeasurably hurtful...

i wonder, does that merit a decision to walk out on something she believes in so passionately?

and if it does, must it be that very night?

which is why, i feel she is prompted more by the hurt at this point. of course she is feeling damn guilty about the shyam thing though she is not at all to blame... he is rotten.

but tell me, how does that speech on marriage and its meaning tally with the decision after one showdown... to leave.

that too immediately.

later, on the arav issue, again they show her planning to sneak out at night.

is this really the girl who said all that in 80?

to me, the real khushi would have considered leaving, but at some point would have calmed down and tried different ways of resolving the situation... if she wanted to die for him, yes, that would be khushi... and she was willing to...

but leave him like this? something doesn't feel right.

so i see it as two young people on a very bad night, struggling to survive the storm life has unleashed on them.

now, of course, we all believe what we believe... but i just wanted to explain why i find it hard to reconcile this whole thing with the khushi i know and respect.

having said that, nothing has been normal in both their lives for a long time... and people behave differently under stress.

Originally posted by: indi52

cyn,

just want to say something about that khushi saying i will leave right now scene.

as far as i am concerned, she is a very young girl, very hurt, exhausted... and yes, she loves asr, loves his sister, will do anything to not hurt anjali and so is willing to make the biggest sacrifice and end her marriage.

but at the same time, the khushi i know also believes in the sanctity of marriage... on the idea of absolutely no matter what commitment. she considers it a gift from above, one to be cherished...

here is a loose and bad translation of her moving words from episode 80. a fascinating scene really.

the idea of marriage isn't made by me, mr arnav singh raizada. i haven't made this custom. this is a blessing from god. it's this world's most sacred relationship. when someone makes a promise to spend his/her entire life with someone... when someone, even after death doesn't want to be separated from someone... when someone prays that the partner's every problem is given to him/her instead... every pain is given to him/her... if need be then one is willing to give one's own life in exchange for the other's... with this promise is life completed. but people like you don't understand this relationship.

to me, a girl who believes this will try to do everything to make her marriage work. and at thsi point se does believe it is a real marriage... which is why when he brings up the contract, she is shattered and says even after all this you believe it is only a contract? so i read from that, she believes this is a real marriage.

this is the second night they are spending together after the kidnap. they have just openly confessed their love and accepted each other. horrific days have preceded this. now the trauma of shyam stalks everyone.

in a terribly stressful situation, he has lost his cool, been immeasurably hurtful...

i wonder, does that merit a decision to walk out on something she believes in so passionately?

and if it does, must it be that very night?

which is why, i feel she is prompted more by the hurt at this point. of course she is feeling damn guilty about the shyam thing though she is not at all to blame... he is rotten.

but tell me, how does that speech on marriage and its meaning tally with the decision after one showdown... to leave.

that too immediately.

later, on the arav issue, again they show her planning to sneak out at night.

is this really the girl who said all that in 80?

to me, the real khushi would have considered leaving, but at some point would have calmed down and tried different ways of resolving the situation... if she wanted to die for him, yes, that would be khushi... and she was willing to...

but leave him like this? something doesn't feel right.

so i see it as two young people on a very bad night, struggling to survive the storm life has unleashed on them.

now, of course, we all believe what we believe... but i just wanted to explain why i find it hard to reconcile this whole thing with the khushi i know and respect.

having said that, nothing has been normal in both their lives for a long time... and people behave differently under stress.

Durga di bahutehi barhiya poemwa on Shyam babua.. I love how you make each poetry different. very highly creative di!

Div, Kizh, Cynthia, Indi, Rhea,

Originally posted by: BHAVII

Sorry to butt in but Indi episode 80 was the person in full sanity speaking all that whereas episode 295/296 was the person acting under duress. A big big big difference. When a person is not thinking this is what you would expect them to do and on top the guilt factor.

bhavii, absolutely. what you say in pink is what i have spoken about in my original take.

this is another chat with cynthia on the issue of sacrifice... husband or not, etc.

i personally feel, there was immense potential to show khushi as a normal vulnerable human being with beautiful qualities and fabulous potential... that got lost.

nothing was normal about that night, everyone over reacted. writers showed asr introspecting... not khushi.

and certainly the whole instinct to leave him... again expressed over the arav situation... yes, it is to do with khushi's love, her huge loving and willing to be sacrificial, and i have no opinion on whether being sacrificial is good or bad... but there was great potential to show that she is willing to hurt herself because she is fragile and excessively loving, but now as she grows in a situation where she has full "haq" how she comes to understand her place in life, her extreme importance in his life and his in hers... any character becomes interesting when we see development... in khushi's case, this was not thought through well

and why it matters is because she was a very unique character herself... not just asr.

she was a clear bright untouched innocent girl with a definite streak of whimsy... maybe a bit of lunacy too. she was sunny and warm and happy and she loved from her heart, no, from the bottom of her toes with every bit of her self and soul, even those reserved for jalebi eating frenzy. she couldn't bear to see anyone hurt. and if she loved someone and they were in any sort of trouble, she was prepared to take all their woes herself and fill their lives with happiness. she would go to any extent to make sure those she loved were not hurt. and she did it all with the lightest of touch and a fey air and an optimistic heart that had the power of vishwas. not for nothing was her name khushi.

he was a guy who had been robbed mercilessly by life and had shut himself from the heartlessness of this world. he had set out to restore his sister and his broken lives, trusting only himself. working hard, working relentlessly, depending on his dimag, amassing power and wealth, the two things he reckoned the world respected, feared and did not mess with.

they met. they clashed, they hated each other, they bristled around each other, and then one day she said, yessir i put mango juice in your shoes... because i didn't get orange juice and he smiled.

cut. through.

something happened to his heart, you could see it in his eyes. arnav singh raizada could perhaps resist everything on earth, but not miss khushi kumari gupta's sanak. i have always felt that mad streak, that innocence, that complete pagal thing was what got him bad. if she were merely a good girl with a big heart, he may have cared for her, admired her. if she were gutsy and strong, he'd have respected her. if she were beautiful, he would have desired her... but she was all of that and she was sanka devi, titalitya. how not to be smitten by her, huh.

i like that also because then character design had meaning. that sanak had a role.

a slight reversal of roles now. he is doing everything he can to make her happy, because he has hurt her. of course in asr vein, it was, "main tumhe wapas paa loonga", "but i will bring you back, tumhe wapis jeetke rahoonga", he has said he will get her back and make her part of his life, he will win her back. a little win lose has to feature of course.

he is willing to go to lengths he wouldn't for anyone else. they had had the most horrendous of disagreements. she wanted to leave him. he was doing all he could to not let her go. in the middle of that, he realises it is her birthday and he had not even know, in fact he had gone raving and ranting to her aunt's place to threaten her and bring her back when he was tartly informed by bua ji.

she was really angry and upset with him. and for some odd reason it had been decided that he had a huge problem with wishing anyone happy birthday. murphy's law... that is the only thing she wanted from him. which would make her happy, bring a smile to her lips... all that he wants is to see that smile back.

in a mahaepisode, almost 42 minutes were devoted to showing many things, mostly with an accent on humour, his efforts to wish her, to buy her a gift, to bring her back... to win her back.

she was having none of it. sorry, if you can't wish me, i am not going to thaw.

so he did all sorts of things including eating a tonne of poories and following bua ji around like a lost child... was this asr?

while it was a pleasant enough episode, nothing really touched me...

except for one scene.

and i have to say only sanaya irani could look as fetching as she did in that fairly ghastly velvet tent.

cut to the scene.

he happened to hear khushi and bua ji talking in the room while he washed his hands outside... again that broken mirror, perhaps a reminder that things were at a point of breaking... he peered in and found bua ji insiting on driving evil spirits away with her hot dried chilli technique and khushi in a fit of sanka at her cuckoo and loving best with her favourite aunt, talking nonsense and being jhalii sankadevi.

as he watched her, his whole world seemed to fill with sunshine.

there's nothing he loved more than to see her happy. happy and sankafied, that was like three scoops of icecream with a cherry on top. she brought sweetness to her diabetic's life. a sweetness that overpowered the bitterness of his world and made him smile.

and he did. i just shook my head at the beauty of this simple moment. could have been soppy and sugary, but was not. you could feel his heartstrings give way... especially when he broke into that smile. you could feel that tender love of his for this beautiful girl. his eyes went mellow and loving, his smile was the sweetest ever. she was the most precious thing to him, he'd do anything to keep her safe warm happy feeling loved and far from the bedardi of ad. just one scene... and all the discomfort i had been feeling was set aside. because this was what it was all about. this love. the essential connect of asr and khushi that went way beyond right wrong good bad who is better who is worse.

and how he loved her. especially, when she was unselfconsciously and completely khushi. he'd look at her, she often not even aware of him or his gaze, and fall for her... pagal... pagal hai par cute hai.

as for the bag, well she had him nicely properly and rightly bagged. while on the b word, asr i don't think would ever tell her the price of her bday gift, though that doh lakh produced much mirth and the actors were all rather good in that last rm sequence. also, couldnt they have found a slightly nicer looking bag? i do understand khushi's point about the long handle... a girl has the right to be particular about her bag teehee.

and sorry, asr definitely would not call khushi "aap", nor write such a foolish message. so the red rose scene is deteriorating to tearjerker stuff, very forced.

back to the scene that got me... barun sobti, sanaya irani and abha parmar were spectacular in it. they worked to create a feeling that is so precious, you feel like putting it away somewhere safe, taking care of it yourself. i am sure they didn't even shoot at the same time. in fact the physical gap you can sense. but the emotions just come through flawlessly.

sanaya as i mentioned looked utterly lovely and khushi. interedtingly barun was looking a bit down and dank today, but that was good, because despite that, asr did shine... said what good actor i was watching. and uff the slightly oily, a little too long flying hair... hawa mein udta jaaye...

as i watched him i thought of the other times i have seen him in that smitten or about to fall flat state... and a vm pretty much suggested itself. i hope you like it. it's not too long and i have not added any jalebi swirls to it, a simple straightforward piece. about that happiness in the heart...



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i did feel pretty bad for the guy at the way khushi who wouldn't hurt anyone made him suffer over his gift and hit back at him. i liked that in a way though, because it said to me she had a certain ease in her relationship with him, she could show her anger if she needed to, or her hurt... everywhere else, khushi never shows her tears, her own needs. in a milieu where girls are constantly taught to, exhorted to, made to, fit in and never think of their own individual needs and aspirations, this always being pleasant and caring of others never of yourself becomes the way i guess. it happens in many places, not just middle class gomti sadan india.

... but he and she had a different equation from the beginning. something they shared with no one else. he would take her angry outbursts and modify his plans, though making sure she got some hell in the bargain... can't imagine anyone else getting away with the things khushi did when it came to this khadoos. no one would dare to tell him anything, but she would. and he never expected her to fit in, be less... in fact, he wanted her to take her "haq" and fought with even his dadi over this. i found his asking her to claim him as hers and exercise her right over him very very moving. and essentially all he wanted was to see her smile.


hona tha pyaar
a beautiful song by atif aslam and hadiqa kiani

hona tha pyaar...
love had to happen
hona tha pyaar...hua mere yaar...
love had to happen and it did, my friend (lover)
hona tha pyaar...hua mere yaar...
love had to happen and it did, my friend

aaye nazar, chehre hazaar
i did see thousands of faces

hona tha pyaar...hua mere yaar...
love had to happen and it did, my friend
hona tha pyaar...
love had to happen

tere dil ke shehar mein... ghar mera ho gaya..ho gaya...
in the city of your heart, got my house... just did
sapna dekha jo tune, wo mera ho gya...ho gya...
the dreams you saw, became mine... just became mine

doobey to yuun... jaise ho paar...
we drowned as if it were the shore... (did i get that right?)

hona tha pyaar... hua mere yaar...
love had to happen and it did, my friend
hona tha pyaar...
love had to happen

thaamey dilo ki baahein, hum aate saalo mein.. saalo mein...
holding the arms of our hearts... in the years that came
paaye jawab humne, tere sawalo mein... sawalo mein...
i found answers in your questions... in your questions
khwabon ki dor... tootey naa yaar...
this thread of dreams, may it never break, my friend

hona tha pyaar...hua mere yaar...
love had to happen and it did, my friend
hona tha pyaar...
love had to happen

Indi di, loved the vm. You're so right, it was that sanak, nuttiness, whatever you choose to call it, that made her, her. And he fell for that! Oh that epi. 75, you haven't done a take on that, please do so. Even I didn't like many parts of this b'day episode. Oh well, the story had started to take a nose dive by this time. And yes, that aap, in that message, that was unpardonable! so not him, his tum gives one the dhak dhaks 😆 I've been going through some of your early takes, miss the girl and the khadoos from those days.

I wanted to edit my earlier post and god knows what I clicked! ended up replying to my own post 😆 I personally don't mind practical gifts, he saw she needed a bag, got her one. I got a printer which could print two sides, and I was like my life is complete ! 😆

Originally posted by: indi52

bhavii, absolutely. what you say in pink is what i have spoken about in my original take.

this is another chat with cynthia on the issue of sacrifice... husband or not, etc.

i personally feel, there was immense potential to show khushi as a normal vulnerable human being with beautiful qualities and fabulous potential... that got lost.

nothing was normal about that night, everyone over reacted. writers showed asr introspecting... not khushi.

and certainly the whole instinct to leave him... again expressed over the arav situation... yes, it is to do with khushi's love, her huge loving and willing to be sacrificial, and i have no opinion on whether being sacrificial is good or bad... but there was great potential to show that she is willing to hurt herself because she is fragile and excessively loving, but now as she grows in a situation where she has full "haq" how she comes to understand her place in life, her extreme importance in his life and his in hers... any character becomes interesting when we see development... in khushi's case, this was not thought through well

and why it matters is because she was a very unique character herself... not just asr.

Originally posted by: kizh72

I wanted to edit my earlier post and god knows what I clicked! ended up replying to my own post 😆 I personally don't mind practical gifts, he saw she needed a bag, got her one. I got a printer which could print two sides, and I was like my life is complete ! 😆

that bag was so him... even the way he got it... and in his instructions, in his boyish eagerness is his lutter pyaar. desperate to have her with him, please her, take her home... only she gets that feeling from him...

who is aap? and why is writing so erroneous? had they no idea with what concentration this show was watched?

would asr ever tell her the price of abag? or call it a "designer bag"?

iwent on watching the show mainly for barun. and sometimes asr khushi had fabulous moments... for those.

no story there any more.. unless it is too deep for one as shallow as me.

oh and if you are replying to your own post you are doing great on the sanka front, and you like practical gifts too... so maybe asr is running after the wrong titaliya. 😆

glad you feel that sanka was it.

and yes, i must do 75.

i think i am afraid i will botch it.

liked the vm? aren't they too cute, to hot, to sexy and uff?