DOTW: Pakistani Shows and Patriotism

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Destiny_015

@Destiny_015

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Posted: 11 years ago

#41

Great topic Kankshita.

Going by the logic of your teacher one should close her ears when Rahat Fateh Ali Khan song plays or close her eyes seeing a FAK poster. Patriotism mein aanch ajayegi.😆

Anyway there are some things which are not ruled by borders. Art, entertainment and culture are such. What needs to be praised gets the praise. Its wrong to brand someone watching or praising some foreign shows as un-patroitic. Completely logicless.

And also calling Indian shows complete rubbish is wrong in a way. Its mostly a TRP and money making thing out here. And its not wrong anyway. TV Industry has now become the source of bread and butter for thousands of people. There has been a set up in the money making business. That look look hawa hawa works with a huge population of India and the TRP is ticking too. And ya about change in the format of Indian shows. What I think things might change if Indian shows turn into finite series. But there is a huge question on whether Indian audience will accept too. By the looks of it noone is ready to take the risk.

Coming back to patriotism one should help out country in the basic things like helping in education, keeping the cities clean by not littering, not indulging into littlest of corruption. That will help our country much more than closing our eyes towards foreign shows. Also heres an article read few days back on how India and Pakistan have intermingled in art culture on the last year. Quoting from the article where its beautifully written related on this matter - "beyond the geographical divide of the two homelands is a shared heartland of culture - of spices and flavours, language and poetry, art and fashion, cinema and music, folk bards and sufi mystics..." The article link: Pak-ing a punch from across the border

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Sana

@sanashau

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Posted: 11 years ago

#42

well i am pakistani living in US and have been watching indian movies since I was a kid. Never even thought about this.

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change12

@change12

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Posted: 11 years ago

#43

I faced the same thing last week when in adisscusion among friends. I told that like Fawad and his acting in Zindgi Gulzar hai is awesome ...and the rplied i got was there are other awesome and talanted actors in India why will we like Fawad... I felt sorry for their thinking.

In my opinion watching any show or prasing anyone for the good work dosen't affector define our patriotism.

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Perfect100

@Perfect100

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Posted: 11 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: change12
Ifaced the same thing last week when in adisscusion among friends.I told that like Fawad and his acting in Zindgi Gulzar hai is awesome ...and the rplied i got was there are other awesome and talanted actors in India why will we like Fawad... I feltsorry for their thinking.
In my opinion watching any show or prasing anyone for the good work dosen't affector defineour patriotism.

I don't blame them for this thinking. See nowadays people don't like indian students who are IIT and IIM toppers and decides to go to U.S and they don't like Indian scientists as well who decides to work for NASA rather than working in ISRO.
Some people have stopped using chinese products and prefer to use Made in India so it's a natural behaviour.
It's not about India and Pak.
It's a natural human behaviour. Either you are pakistani, American or an Indian..you will think this way only.

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nevah_mind

@nevah_mind

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Posted: 11 years ago

#45

On Fawad Khan's FB page, there were a lot of replies to his post on the revival of Pak cinema. So many of them talking about how his priority should be his country.

Fawad Afzal Khan

October 18

Loving the revival of local cinema. Movies like #Dukhtar and#NaMaloomAfraad are paving the way for a bright cinematic future. Art knows no boundaries and fingers crossed for the extensive, talented fraternity of Pakistani artistes, within Pakistan and beyond. #cinemastruck

One person said this: (which I completely agreed with, especially the last line. "To show my love for my country, I don't need to be anti-someone else")

Jeea Qureshi @Ka Shif sir your idea of patriotism sucks big time. Just because he didnt mention Operation 021 and Waar he is not patriotic... ?!?! so pleasw elaborate what is patriotic to you ??? Abusing indian people on internet ?? Is that patriotic or not watching indian movies is that patriotic ??? Or not working in indian movies, is that patriotic ??? Because if that is then i am sure indian people are unpatriotic because they are watching our dramas and appreciating our shows without any bias. I think indian people are much better than us because they love their country and yet accept our dramas and actors when they go to india yet according to you we are un patriotic because lovinv our country is not enough for being patriotic we have to be 'anti-indian'...

What a shame.. cheap thinking!!

I also personally found Dastaan difficult to watch. I found the references to Gandhiji hurtful.

When I dug into it a bit more, I learned that their school curriculum has very negative things about Gandhi, so they grow up with the mind set.

I'm not sure about other states in India, but the curriculum in school text books in Maharashtra, never refer to Jinnah with negativity.

Also we learn here that the British was the main cause of partition, sowing the seeds of hatred in the minds of both communities.

Where as they learn that a Muslim state was required for the freedom and better life of Indian Muslims because they were oppressed by the Hindus here.

If you look at some of the other movies like Lakshya, Lagaan, etc about the border/independence, we will always find that Muslims are given a lot of respect. When we talk of Pakistan as our enemies in our stories, its the Pakistani who is the enemy. NOT the Muslim. Where as when they talk about Indians being their enemy, its the non-Muslim who are the enemy. We look at the nationality, They look at the religion.

Coming to the movie Haider. Brilliantly made. A lot of people took offence to it and said it was anti-national. I proudly say, that it is because we are India that we could make a movie like that, showing atrocities by the army. Not justifying the incidents but which army in the world doesn't indulge in them? Remember Abu Ghraib, Iraq, Afghanistan in the recent past? Vietnam, WW 1 and 2 in history? The Pak army is not free of it either with their "missing persons" and Balochistan.

Will they ever be able to make a movie showing that?

I say all these things, only to re-emphasize that its a matter of perspective. Maybe some of you will think its digressing, But its only to prove a point that what is shown and what one chooses to watch is by no means a measure of one's patriotism. And for those who think that way, well, its a point of difference.

Peace!

Edited by nevah_mind - 11 years ago

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Perfect100

@Perfect100

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Posted: 11 years ago

#46

Originally posted by: nevah_mind
On Fawad Khan's FB page, there were a lot of replies to his post on the revival of Pak cinema. So many of them talking about how his priority should be his country.

<h5>Fawad Afzal Khan</h5>
October 18
Loving the revival of local cinema. Movies like#Dukhtarand#NaMaloomAfraadare paving the way for a bright cinematic future. Art knows no boundaries and fingers crossed for the extensive, talented fraternity of Pakistani artistes, within Pakistan and beyond.#cinemastruck
One person said this: (which I completely agreed with, especially the last line. "To show my love for my country, I don't need to be anti-someone else")

Jeea Qureshi@Ka Shif sir your idea of patriotism sucks big time. Just because he didnt mention Operation 021 and Waar he is not patriotic... ?!?!so pleasw elaborate what is patriotic to you ??? Abusing indian people on internet ?? Is that patriotic or not watching indian movies is that patriotic ??? Or not working in indian movies, is that patriotic ??? Because if that is then i am sure indian people are unpatriotic because they are watching our dramas and appreciating our shows without any bias. I think indian people are much better than us because they love their country and yet accept our dramas and actors when they go to india yet according to you we are un patriotic because lovinv our country is not enough for being patriotic we have to be 'anti-indian'...

What a shame.. cheap thinking!!

I also personally found Dastaan difficult to watch. I found the references to Gandhiji hurtful.
When I dug into it a bit more, I learned that their school curriculum has very negative things about Gandhi, so they grow up with the mind set.
I'm not sure about other states in India, but the curriculum in school text books in Maharashtra, never refer to Jinnah with negativity.
Also we learn here that the British was the main cause of partition, sowing the seeds of hatred in the minds of both communities.
Where as they learn that a Muslim state was required for the freedom and better life of Indian Muslims because they were oppressed by the Hindus here.


If you look at some of the other movies like Lakshya, Lagaan, etc about the border/independence, we will always find that Muslims are given a lot of respect. When we talk of Pakistan as our enemies in our stories, its the Pakistani who is the enemy. NOT the Muslim. Where as when they talk about Indians begin their enemy, its the non-Muslim who are the enemy. We look at the nationality, They look at the religion.


Coming to the movie Haider. Brilliantly made. A lot of people took offence to it and said it was anti-national. I proudly say, that it is because we are India that we could make a movie like that, showing atrocities by the army. Not justifying the incidents but which army in the world doesn't indulge in them? Remember Abu Ghraib, Iraq, Afghanistan in the recent past? Vietnam, WW 1 and 2 in history? The Pak army is not free of it either with their "missing persons" and Balochistan.
Will they every be able to make a movie showing that?


I say all these things, only to re-emphasize that its a matter of perspective. Maybe some of you will think its digressing, But its only to prove a point that what is shown and what one chooses to watch is by no means a measure of one's patriotism. And for those who think that way, well, its a point of difference.


Peace!

Yes their history text book is different from ours and i won't go into deep. You are right about perspective..there are so many Indian tv actors who are waiting for a break in YRF, Dharma productions so they might have the same opinion.
If our parents are distributing chocolates then we assume that we will get first then our neighbour's kids.
It's natural. What's wrong in it ?
Nothing.

Edited by Perfect100 - 11 years ago

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@whiterose29

Trailblazer

+ 7

Posted: 11 years ago

#47

Nice topic! 😳

If we can accept FAK in bollywood even after knowing that he's a Pakistani actor, why can't we watch Zindagi? Honestly, I'll say this to be a very lame and stupid reason if a person doesn't watch that channel just because it shows Pakistani dramas! You can watch American shows but not the Pakistani ones, why?

I have a friend who hardly gets time to even watch any Indian show! I used to discuss about Pak dramas with her, encouraging her to atleast watch one single episode of any Pak show, but she kept telling me that she did't get time.

I dunno from where I got this thought that maybe she isn't willing to watch Zindagi because it simply shows Pak shows. I gradually stopped discussing dramas with her and to my surprise, she herself started asking me about what was shown in last night's episode and all that... Now since we got dussehra holidays, she had plenty of time to finish of her studies and watch TV. I was happy because she watched Zindagi and also she watched some previous shows like Maat, Kahi Unkahi, Noorpur Ki Rani online. She was quite impressed with those shows and currently she's obsessed with Humsafar & Dhoop Chhaon. 😳

I was happy that my friend doesn't have such a narrow-mindedness and infact she was laughing like crazy when I told about what I thought for her. I don't mind when people can't watch Pak shows because of lack of time or some other reason, but not watching those only because it belongs to Pakistan and that it would be unpatriotic of them is totally absurd.

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crazy4fawad

@crazy4fawad

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#48

For me art, entertainment ,sports are something which should not be divided by borders.

Honestly, I was a TV buff back in 90s when I was a small kid and there were series like swabhimaan, saans , dekh bhai dekh , jaspal bhatti shows etc...and I really enjoyed TV back then!

But after kyunki, I got put off by TV and stopped watching and switched to American shows like friends, seinfield etc and enjoyed them immenselty..

does watching American shows make me less patriotic??

Later I got addicted to Greys anatomy and it remains till date one of my fave TV series!!

as for pak shows,,, honestly speaking I had a very narrow thinking abt Pakistan..i used to think of it as some highly conservative, shallow place ..which only breeds terrorist and does not basically have a life! I have travelled the world as indian and esp post 9/11 blasts...there is this very skewed view abt Pakistan and I belonged to the same categpry of thinking!

When zindagi channel started, I did not watch it initially since I thot its all paki and rona dhona muslim shows honge...my friend literally pushed me to watch ZGH as she loved zaroon kashaf...
2nd run of ZGH started that week only and I decided to watch it!!

I was completely bowled over by the fact that everything was SO normal and so real life like..and I lovveedd kashaf's character...it was very real and I was really happy to see a strong woman on screen...of course needless to say...I become fultoo victim of fawad fever 😆 😆 ...that man is a killer in terms of talent and looks both!! he is srsly something...and now after watching ZGH,humsafar, dastaan,khoosburat..his EP videos and everything else...I totally hero worship him!! To an extent, I am also jealous of pakistan that they have such a fab actor who is so talented and down to earth at the same time! I hope he remains like this since that his most endearing quality!

Coming back to the pt..I have watched many other pak shows as well and must say, I love the quality of programs...also, I have interacted many of these actors on twitter and they r very approachable and respond to praise as well as criticism,,,i feel pak hasn't reached that level of commercialism which has engulfed our TV and BW industry! and I m glad abt that!

Also, after interacting with Pakistanis on various social media..i have come to know abt Lahore, Karachi etc and now realise that we should not just have blind assumptions based on what is fed to us!

I hope to see some improvement in our TV shows as well...saas bahu serials and reality shows have been done to death now...I have stopped following these now..I was a huge bigboss follower and this year..i m not even bothered abt it..coz its getting too much to handle this kinda TV.

does watching these shows make me less patriotic?> No I don't think so..and honestly I pity those who think like this!
just like I wished we could make a show like friends or greys anatomy...I wish we can also make a ZGH or a dastaan ..zgh , dastaan m humsafar etc r something which we relate to even more as Pakistan and india share a very common culture ...

😊 😊 😊

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