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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek


I dont think there is any leap of 3 years..

Remember that by giving shelter to the fugitives(according to Ekta's version of history), according to the show it has been 3 years since then...

Hence Jalal said 3 years...They have ONLY preponed Chittor and then will show the re union and pligrimages. I think so...

CV's have botched up everything, and they had no reason to justify why akbar attacked chittor. Hence they used this route..

Utter Crap was dished out yesterday by Ekta Kapoor's JA ...!!!!.

My advice on Ethical and Moral grounds to the CV's::
If you dont have the guts and cant show something with decency and a subtle degree of morality then you should NOT touch that part from the past..!!!!.

I won't say sorry for my venting,
as i can not see this "Ekta's Manufactured Version of Chittor War".. I am NOT AT ALL enjoying this much BIG NR of Ekta...

I wanted this Jalal but NOT at the cost of his cold behavior to Jodha and Ruqs blabbering nonsense and smirking...

And SURELY not at the Cost of "NR of Chittor" ...

I am getting ready for NR of Ranthambore also. Ekta can not show the Jauher of Ranthambore as well. I know she will show that Akbar tried his BEST to avoid this war like she has shown in Chittor case by sending TodarMal to MP..👎🏼.👎🏼./👎🏼.👎🏼.

I was already furious after Ekta showed that ToderMal was sent to Udai Singh to avoid war, few episodes back, according to her Manufactured Version...👎🏼...

The CV's are only capable of...

1. Torturing Jodha,
2. Glorifying Ruqs,
3. HB stands as a statue, when Ruqs speaks..
4. Jalal can SHOUT ONLY at Jodha
5. No respect of the female lead, as the MAIN LEAD of this show is Ruqayya Begum... She can insult the Emperor and get away scot free...All respects are reserved for her...And she gets the maximum screen space...!!.

I don't understand what is EPIC in this TORTURE..?????????????????????...

yeh kaunsa Abhay hai???😲
humara shant and composed Abhay kahan gaya?😲
kyu gussa karrahe ho dost?
I agree there is no leap...the 3 yrs also count JJ's marriage years...and yes Chittor War preponed only...it gives me hope that Fatima will come
Abhay, I think Ekta is justifying Akbar's Chittor massacre...as it is a blot on his greatness...so to make audience relate to him she preponed this war and justifying why he did that and what state he was in while doing that.
I can understand your frustration as it is complete NR...but Ekta made Abkar too positive...so she had to come with something that doesnt look out of place and also pull TRPs..only war episodes dont garner much TRPs but a drama with war will do it...hence this step.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek


I dont think there is any leap of 3 years..

Remember that by giving shelter to the fugitives(according to Ekta's version of history), according to the show it has been 3 years since then...

Hence Jalal said 3 years...They have ONLY preponed Chittor and then will show the re union and pligrimages. I think so...

CV's have botched up everything, and they had no reason to justify why akbar attacked chittor. Hence they used this route..

Utter Crap was dished out yesterday by Ekta Kapoor's JA ...!!!!.

My advice on Ethical and Moral grounds to the CV's::
If you dont have the guts and cant show something with decency and a subtle degree of morality then you should NOT touch that part from the past..!!!!.

I won't say sorry for my venting,
as i can not see this "Ekta's Manufactured Version of Chittor War".. I am NOT AT ALL enjoying this much BIG NR of Ekta...

I wanted this Jalal but NOT at the cost of his cold behavior to Jodha and Ruqs blabbering nonsense and smirking...

And SURELY not at the Cost of "NR of Chittor" ...

I am getting ready for NR of Ranthambore also. Ekta can not show the Jauher of Ranthambore as well. I know she will show that Akbar tried his BEST to avoid this war like she has shown in Chittor case by sending TodarMal to MP..👎🏼.👎🏼./👎🏼.👎🏼.

I was already furious after Ekta showed that ToderMal was sent to Udai Singh to avoid war, few episodes back, according to her Manufactured Version...👎🏼...

The CV's are only capable of...

1. Torturing Jodha,
2. Glorifying Ruqs,
3. HB stands as a statue, when Ruqs speaks..
4. Jalal can SHOUT ONLY at Jodha
5. No respect of the female lead, as the MAIN LEAD of this show is Ruqayya Begum... She can insult the Emperor and get away scot free...All respects are reserved for her...And she gets the maximum screen space...!!.

I don't understand what is EPIC in this TORTURE..?????????????????????...


Abhay , as I quoted elsewhere, I wish EK had the guts to show chittor war for its real reasons, by adding the twin death angle she has made Jallaluddin Mohammed guilty of a lesser crime, and had added his personal anguish as an explanation for ungodly massacre of chittor. It was purely and purely military and political decision, and Ja was very much the power hungry , ruthless invader atleast till this timeline,not the god incarnate EK has shown him to be
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek


I dont think there is any leap of 3 years..

Remember that by giving shelter to the fugitives(according to Ekta's version of history), according to the show it has been 3 years since then...

Hence Jalal said 3 years...They have ONLY preponed Chittor and then will show the re union and pligrimages. I think so...

CV's have botched up everything, and they had no reason to justify why akbar attacked chittor. Hence they used this route..

Utter Crap was dished out yesterday by Ekta Kapoor's JA ...!!!!.

My advice on Ethical and Moral grounds to the CV's::
If you dont have the guts and cant show something with decency and a subtle degree of morality then you should NOT touch that part from the past..!!!!.

I won't say sorry for my venting,
as i can not see this "Ekta's Manufactured Version of Chittor War".. I am NOT AT ALL enjoying this much BIG NR of Ekta...

I wanted this Jalal but NOT at the cost of his cold behavior to Jodha and Ruqs blabbering nonsense and smirking...

And SURELY not at the Cost of "NR of Chittor" ...

I am getting ready for NR of Ranthambore also. Ekta can not show the Jauher of Ranthambore as well. I know she will show that Akbar tried his BEST to avoid this war like she has shown in Chittor case by sending TodarMal to MP..👎🏼.👎🏼./👎🏼.👎🏼.

I was already furious after Ekta showed that ToderMal was sent to Udai Singh to avoid war, few episodes back, according to her Manufactured Version...👎🏼...

The CV's are only capable of...

1. Torturing Jodha,
2. Glorifying Ruqs,
3. HB stands as a statue, when Ruqs speaks..
4. Jalal can SHOUT ONLY at Jodha
5. No respect of the female lead, as the MAIN LEAD of this show is Ruqayya Begum... She can insult the Emperor and get away scot free...All respects are reserved for her...And she gets the maximum screen space...!!.

I don't understand what is EPIC in this TORTURE..?????????????????????...


very nice depict Abhay. u have pointed out all plausible points which r genuine where whole forum is busy to discuss n defense on Jalal's mysterious weird behavior toward jodha to imagine many theories.😆
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Sorry, Abhay, nothing against you personally. But I am just very angry with Jodha today for still trying to be nice to a man who doesn't even deserve to be spat upon. I was just venting. Please do not mind. 😕



I completely understand your frustration and anger Radhika.You are apt at saying its cvs way of finding justification to the war.

But i felt that they remained true to their characters in that tilak scene. if we go back and see this is not something new.In Sujamal track.,What could anyone do more than sacrificing their own life to save the ones they love? Yet to be questioned abt the very act how devastating that should have been. I thought at that time too the separation period is very necessary not only for her healing but for jo to put their relationship in retrospection and come to a conclusion.I don't doubt jalals love for jo but it was more to do with his basic instinct (cruel to cruel) . She was asking herself what is the guarantee that this will not be repeated as no one could do anything more than she did .

Yet she decided to come as her love gave her the strength to overlook this weakness of him and that love is the reason she did tilak yesterday as she can't bear the thought of something happening to him.I don't think jo will neither cry nor beg him ,but i think the blood on that tilak was symbolic in a way that something is going to happen to jo and thats when he would again realize what he has lost.Atifa track proceeded on the same lines though there was a half cooked explanation at the end.May be we will get a different explanation at the end of this track too..This seems to be a pattern now and i had already lost hope on seeing something constructive .
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: impiya

😃Hi Radhika,

How are u all? After a long time I am making a post here. I stopped watching JA after Mahamanga track, initially because I was very busy, then there was durga puja over here in kolkata, and I got busy with that. Then I thoght let the twins death track gets over and so I started watching it again from Tuesday.😃 Such dhamakedaar episodes we are getting one after another for the last 3 days.
I thought yesterday's episode was almost perfect, the only scene I missed was- A Ruqaiya and Jalal scene together, where they would have tried to get over the biggest grief of their life by consoling each other, wiping each other's tears, finding peace in each other's arm- that was the only thing I missed yesterday. It was their loss anyway.😃
Now seriously I think yesterday's episode was not that bad, as all the three people concerned were very much in their characters, and I am talking about the characters portrayed by Ekta and her CVS and not historical ones, It is out and out insult to compare these characters with the historical ounterparts. I was ver very disappointed with Jalal first but then I thought it was because Jalal was made too sane in recent times that we are not being able to accept this falling from grace moment from him. But Jalal has always been like that, too complicated a human being with some inner insecurities, fear and uncertainties. That is the reason I have never found the old Jalal ( the most celebrated one in this forum😉) very strong, he was interesting no doubt but not strong. He was strong only from outside, a very egoistic, insecure human being from inside. The new Jalal(Jodha's) with little more active brain cells is definitely more suitable to my taste. When someone as simple, innocent and transparent as Jodha fall for someone as complicated as Jalal there bound to be heart breaks, intolerable pain for both of them. It's not easy to be with a man like Jalal as u never know which way he is going to swing next. In normal condition I would like to keep a distance from them, but again if that is not possible then it's better to know how to deal with them. I think Jodha should immediately hardens herself up, develops some sort of detachment from her husband, if not physically but emotionally- that is the only way to survive in Agra. She was doing a great job initially until she fall in love with Jalal so much so that she almost lost her identity, His identity became hers. Remember how she thought of committing suicide when she thought Jalal had separated himself from her, how insanely she behaves when she finds that Jalal is going to do something wrong, she thinks she has to stop him somehow- as if she herself is doing it, his family her family, his promise- her prosmise. I hope she stops doing that in future, it's not doing any good to her. She puts up with Ruqaiya's nonsense why? because she is important to Jalal, answering her back will only lead to some trouble for him. She needs to be with Jalal and do all her duties as a good wife- but somewhere an emotional detachment is required. I am happy that she didn't go from Agra. Jalal has also been a good husband in past and honestly she doesn't have any other option.
Coming to yesterday's episode, Jalal very specifically blamed jodha as well as his love for her as the reason for death of the children. He said, 'Hum aapko apni baacho ki maut keliye jimmedar mane?' first during his conversation with jo and then in his self talk- said 'hum apni mohabbat ko jimedar man rahete' - it was disheartening to hear him blaming 'HER' and 'HIS LOVE FOR HER' and not exactly 'THEIR LOVE FOR EACH OTHER' for the debacle. I don't know whether I am able to express what I want to??????? I would have taken it as another mistake by the dialogue writers, had Jalal not utter another sentence "Hum ne aapko Hussain ki paas jane keliye kahatha na"- it clearly shows he was indicating towards Jodha's carelessness ( almost as per with Ruqaiya). I don't think there is any other way to interpret the scene, sorry for my incapability. I don't know why it is so difficult to acknowledge that Jalal did succumb to his weakness last night. Does it wipe out all his good deeds in the past? Not at all. But he was certainly wrong last night.
P.S- Last but not the least, why I thought of making the post? Well because I am very happy to see so many positive posts today.😃 The sheer favoritism of the forum towards Jalal has become clear to me like never before.😊 😊 Not that I mind this time, because to defend Jalal , they are also praising Jodha so much..😆😆 and praises are coming from the most unexpected corners 😃- may be for the first time in the history of JA serial. I have always thought Jodha with all her imperfection is the best soul mate any man could have, it's really nice to see so many of them agree with me this time. Seriously many of those posts does make lot of sense, I agree that this is certainly not the end of their journey. But I can't help but mention this. When Jalal went to visit Jodha's hojra after killing adham, totally soaking with blood, anf Jo moved away from him only to follw him the next moment, she was criticized so so much for this arguably insensitive act, I used to be regular here that time and I remember , some of us had to try so hard to convince ppl that it was quite a natural act for a pregnant woman to do, not that bad!!😃 I wonder what would have been the situation, had Jodha done what Jalal did yesterday?? Sorry but can't help.😆



So true especially bold lines.. I too want to see after war if Jalaal comes to JO feeling guilty, then if JO goes away him, then can we also agree she left him as she is in pain & did it only to make him realize he did wrong killing so many innocents 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: preeti.r


Oops sorry ...my bad , have lost touch with IF completely forgot this new rule :( .


No issues, Preeti! You can freely discuss all these things on the sticky or Abhay's page. 😊
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: MPMANU

Akka, I also have replied in Maddy's thread on your comment.
I'm back home for mid-semester plus deepavali holiday. So my mood is exceptionally good.
Subrathri...it is already morning now😆


Purani,

Sorry, did I chew your head off last night? 😊 But I was really irritated by the way Jodha was treated yesterday.

Nothing against you personally. 😊

Just one last point, Purani - no matter how much we wait and watch, some things won't change. Leap or no leap, Jodha will always be shown to be this helpless, crying woman who was knocked around by everyone. She will never be shown giving it back as good as she gets. 😕
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: prav2



Charu.Awesome post 😊.Loved ur positivity even at this trying times...

Good morning Priya .

Thank you for liking the writeup . It was an attempt on my part to understand Jalal's current state of mind . My analysis does not indicate that I approve of his reactions , sympathize with him or agree with his lashing out at Jodha .

That one major accusation he hurled at Jodha, so quietly in almost a 'matter of fact' way will cause him more guilt and pain than even the death of his twins . The realization that he was unfair and nasty to her will definitely tear him apart . She is being extremely large hearted to him , I think at some point her patience may also snap and her reaction will jolt him to come out of his current 'jallad' state . Hopefully this is shown .

I am not in the least bit in a positive frame of mind . I am trying to be calm with words , only because I know that even by venting my frustrations , there is no use , the Creatives are hell bent on testing our sanity by showing us nonsense in the name of history .

This is the only show that I watch for entertainment . I have become emotionally attached to the characters . I had to take the step of distancing myself from the characters and stop harping on the negatives , because it started affecting my day to day life. It came to a point where the development of the story is all that I could think of . I was also unable to concentrate on my job .I just could not afford to slacken in this aspect , since I hold a sensitive responsibility at work . Hence the deliberate attempt at focusing on positivity and not replying to several well written posts even though my fingers would be itching to do so ..




Charu .


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Posted: 10 years ago

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Rashmi some one just posted on a thread, they called Zee and its only few weeks and not 3 yrs..phew..Not talking for 3 yrs was devastating but few weeks to get over the pain is understandable.

My only hope and prayer is once everything is normal, JJ goes to meet Salim Christi and few other tracks and not show Jo being pregnant the reason for them to be together again.


@Rashmi and Sindhu,

Even if it's only a few weeks, Jalal's behavior towards Jodha is unacceptable. She is not an ordinary woman. She is his wife. She is his queen. She was the MUZ, even if for only a few days.

She has also suffered the loss of twins like him. In fact, a mother's loss is greater and cannot be explained in any words. Someone had posted a few days back that Jalal lost the future that might have been but Jodha lost the past and present that she shared with the children right from the moment of their conception till their death.



My problem with this Jalal:

1. He has failed as a father to protect his children. He gave in to the zid of RUq and allowed an outsider (even if a relative) free access to his kids.

2. He has failed as a husband to JOdha by:

a. Giving enough leeway to Ruq so that she could easily manipulate JJ and take away one child
b. Not being able to do anything to let Jodha keep the twins for at least a year till they were nursing
c. Not being able to do anything while Ruq publicly kept insulting Jodha and didn't let her even touch Hussein
d. Not doing anything much to investigate how the fire happened or how Hasan suddenly took ill and died. We heard he was doing some investigation in this regard but nothing ever came out. Hasan's death remains a mystery.
e. Not supporting Jodha after both her kids died and allowing Ruq to publicly accuse Jodha of killing her kids. In fact, if anything, Jalal himself joined the tamasha and accused his wife of being a sort of nymphomaniac who left her child to die whilst enjoying herself with her husband.



I can understand Jalal is distressed by the loss. It's a major loss to anyone to lose much-awaited babies suddenly.

I can understand Jalal's anger with Allah, just as I could understand Jodha's anger with Kanha. But did Jodha at any stage point any finger at anyone - from Jalal to Ruq - of letting her babies die? Not even when she was shattered by Hasan's death did she ever accuse Jalal of carelessness in providing security or ask for Hussein back.

But Jalal didn't take a minute to turn his back on her - I cannot even begin to list all that Jodha has done for him till date. And accuse her in such filthy terms.

Yes, I would have understood if Jalal had become numb with shock and withdrawn totally from everyone and become hard as stone. WITHOUT accusing Jodha of killing her babies. THAT, Sindhu, would be understandable.

Then I could have appreciated the ruthless, heartless Jalal who emerged from the ruins of the Jalal who was trying to become Akbar. I would have SUPPORTED him.

But this Jalal cannot be JUSTIFIED in any manner. I wish to publicly ask ALL here that

if YOU were in place of Jodha, would you be able to understand your husband's pain and support him and love him and believe in his love for you, even if he accused you and treated you as Jalal did?

I don't mean to hurt anyone here. I just want you to look at the situation from Jodha's POV. She is hardly 20. She has been through a horrible pregnancy, a terrible childbirth and now lost the kids she bore with so much pain. Is she NOT deserving of her husband's support at this juncture?

I want to know if Jalal cannot SUPPORT her NOW, what is the use of all his declarations of love and support to Jodha? He should have let her die when she wanted to, after Hasan's death. Did he keep her alive then so that he could KILL her himself with PLEASURE NOW?

All those who say they are happy to see this ruthless JAlal. I want to ask you: Is this ruthlessness or cowardice at its worst?

Ruthlessness is a mind game, as much as courage. A ruthless man has NO fears and can face anything, including his PRIVATE demons. JAlal here is a fearful man and battling his demons. He is running away from his life situation and unable to come to terms with reality or act with any sense of responsibility. If he were really TOUGH, he would be able to contain his grief and support Jodha and take them both through the traumatic experience.

To me, the Jalal I saw post HAsan's death - HE was TOUGH. He was BRAVE. He could swallow his tears and lend his strength to Jodha.

This present Jalal - he is just an adult version of a school bully who gets pleasure by harassing those weaker to him (Jodha, due to her love for him and the twins) and is fearful of those who are stronger than him (Ruq, due to her crazy obsession for power and her freaking out at the loss of that power).

I am NOT looking forward to his reunion with Jodha. Or any Pilgrimage now. Because what does that mean to Jodha? Nothing. She has seen her husband take her and leave her AT HIS WILL. The Q she asked him in Mathura - what was her ASTITVA - remains UNANSWERED even TODAY.

When someone is hurt, they need first aid before anything else. If first aid is not given, all state of the art treatment later may not be enough to save them.

PS; Sindhu and Rashmi and all other friends - Sorry guys, Nothing personal. But I cannot accept Jodha being crucified like this for no fault. It ESP hurts when I can see that the woman who REALLY DESERVES to be punished is still going around strong with a smirk on her face.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


@Rashmi and Sindhu,

Even if it's only a few weeks, Jalal's behavior towards Jodha is unacceptable. She is not an ordinary woman. She is his wife. She is his queen. She was the MUZ, even if for only a few days.

She has also suffered the loss of twins like him. In fact, a mother's loss is greater and cannot be explained in any words. Someone had posted a few days back that Jalal lost the future that might have been but Jodha lost the past and present that she shared with the children right from the moment of their conception till their death.



My problem with this Jalal:

1. He has failed as a father to protect his children. He gave in to the zid of RUq and allowed an outsider (even if a relative) free access to his kids.

2. He has failed as a husband to JOdha by:

a. Giving enough leeway to Ruq so that she could easily manipulate JJ and take away one child
b. Not being able to do anything to let Jodha keep the twins for at least a year till they were nursing
c. Not being able to do anything while Ruq publicly kept insulting Jodha and didn't let her even touch Hussein
d. Not doing anything much to investigate how the fire happened or how Hasan suddenly took ill and died. We heard he was doing some investigation in this regard but nothing ever came out. Hasan's death remains a mystery.
e. Not supporting Jodha after both her kids died and allowing Ruq to publicly accuse Jodha of killing her kids. In fact, if anything, Jalal himself joined the tamasha and accused his wife of being a sort of nymphomaniac who left her child to die whilst enjoying herself with her husband.



I can understand Jalal is distressed by the loss. It's a major loss to anyone to lose much-awaited babies suddenly.

I can understand Jalal's anger with Allah, just as I could understand Jodha's anger with Kanha. But did Jodha at any stage point any finger at anyone - from Jalal to Ruq - of letting her babies die? Not even when she was shattered by Hasan's death did she ever accuse Jalal of carelessness in providing security or ask for Hussein back.

But Jalal didn't take a minute to turn his back on her - I cannot even begin to list all that Jodha has done for him till date. And accuse her in such filthy terms.

Yes, I would have understood if Jalal had become numb with shock and withdrawn totally from everyone and become hard as stone. WITHOUT accusing Jodha of killing her babies. THAT, Sindhu, would be understandable.

Then I could have appreciated the ruthless, heartless Jalal who emerged from the ruins of the Jalal who was trying to become Akbar. I would have SUPPORTED him.

But this Jalal cannot be JUSTIFIED in any manner. I wish to publicly ask ALL here that

if YOU were in place of Jodha, would you be able to understand your husband's pain and support him and love him and believe in his love for you, even if he accused you and treated you as Jalal did?

I don't mean to hurt anyone here. I just want you to look at the situation from Jodha's POV. She is hardly 20. She has been through a horrible pregnancy, a terrible childbirth and now lost the kids she bore with so much pain. Is she NOT deserving of her husband's support at this juncture?

I want to know if Jalal cannot SUPPORT her NOW, what is the use of all his declarations of love and support to Jodha? He should have let her die when she wanted to, after Hasan's death. Did he keep her alive then so that he could KILL her himself with PLEASURE NOW?

All those who say they are happy to see this ruthless JAlal. I want to ask you: Is this ruthlessness or cowardice at its worst?

Ruthlessness is a mind game, as much as courage. A ruthless man has NO fears and can face anything, including his PRIVATE demons. JAlal here is a fearful man and battling his demons. He is running away from his life situation and unable to come to terms with reality or act with any sense of responsibility. If he were really TOUGH, he would be able to contain his grief and support Jodha and take them both through the traumatic experience.

To me, the Jalal I saw post HAsan's death - HE was TOUGH. He was BRAVE. He could swallow his tears and lend his strength to Jodha.

This present Jalal - he is just an adult version of a school bully who gets pleasure by harassing those weaker to him (Jodha, due to her love for him and the twins) and is fearful of those who are stronger than him (Ruq, due to her crazy obsession for power and her freaking out at the loss of that power).

I am NOT looking forward to his reunion with Jodha. Or any Pilgrimage now. Because what does that mean to Jodha? Nothing. She has seen her husband take her and leave her AT HIS WILL. The Q she asked him in Mathura - what was her ASTITVA - remains UNANSWERED even TODAY.

When someone is hurt, they need first aid before anything else. If first aid is not given, all state of the art treatment later may not be enough to save them.

PS; Sindhu and Rashmi and all other friends - Sorry guys, Nothing personal. But I cannot accept Jodha being crucified like this for no fault. It ESP hurts when I can see that the woman who REALLY DESERVES to be punished is still going around strong with a smirk on her face.



Radhika , I do understand. right now I am actually emotionally drained and not thinking at all..

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