Red Mosque (Islamabad, PK)

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Wat are the reason that created a huge problem in Red Mosque in the capital (Islamabad Pakistan) ? How come it took the Goverment of Pakistan a such long time to get serious about Red Mosque (Islamabad Pakistan) ? Wat are the facts behinde this?

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Posted: 18 years ago
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http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/ayaz.htm

A drama to beat all dramas

By Ayaz Amir

TO the hidden hands of this dispensation must fall the glory of staging and directing from behind the scenes a brilliant piece of theatre which at least temporarily has drawn attention away from other problems.

Although, as this drama reached its climax it dissolved into outright ridicule -- when one of its central characters, Maulana Abdul Aziz, was caught while trying to flee from the scene in a burqa -- it has still managed to upstage other issues like the on-going saga in the Supreme Court and the All Parties Conference set to begin in London on Saturday.

Two relatively unknown maulvis -- Aziz and his smooth-talking younger brother, Maulana Abdul Rashid Ghazi -- catapulted to international stardom while this drama lasted goes to show the sure touch and directorial ability of our backstage players.

Hand it to them though for turning out to be superb comic actors. Vowing martyrdom and suicide bombings and God knows what, their rhetoric and threats were so effective that it was generally believed that short of a pitched battle they would not be evicted from their mosque and seminary (transformed over the last couple of years into a fortress, under the benign eye of the Musharraf administration).

When the end came it was a tragedy turning to farce as Maulana Aziz, the head cleric, surrounded by a crowd of girl students, disguised himself in a burqa in an attempt to get out. Even the best of Hollywood directors would have been hard put to round off this drama with such an ending.

Although Pakistan has never been short of jokers (both military and civilian), when it comes to the comic arts, secular politicians are no match for their religious brethren. Consider Maulana Fazlur Rahman. Can any secular politician come close to matching his antics? Now this bravura performance in burqa by Maulana Aziz of Lal Masjid.

What to make of Maulana Aziz's questioning, or rather grilling, on Pakistan Television after his arrest? He looked tired and done in as if deprived of sleep. He accepted many things (such as the possession of illicit arms) and his humiliation was plain to see because he was still wearing the burqa in which he had attempted to flee. (At the time of writing these lines, his brother, Maulana Rashid, was still holed up in the Lal Masjid).

It can be safely assumed that the government will milk this 'triumph' for all it is worth, portraying it as another victory against 'extremism'. Gen Musharraf receives a shot in the arm. The image he has cultivated in the West of being the last bulwark in Pakistan against the rising tide of Talibanisation will be further strengthened. On CNN on Wednesday evening this was the line being peddled -- that Musharraf was performing an important role against extremism.

If more blood had been spilt, if Lal Masjid had turned into a nightmare, something like Mrs Gandhi's assault on the Golden Temple, it would have been a different matter. But the maulvis, their strings pulled by God alone knows whom, saw to it that their valour did not match their thunder. As such, they have played into the government's hands. After six months of unadulterated disaster (in Islamabad disaster going by the name of 'mishandling'), finally some good news for Pakistan's embattled general. He badly needed a triumph, no matter what the cost. He has got one. Other problems -- the judicial crisis, plans for a phony election -- will not disappear. But for the time being they have been pushed on to the backburner. Unless I am seeing ghosts in the shadows and blowing things out of proportion, this episode, and its denouement, could even have an effect on the proceedings in the Supreme Court.

For, let us not forget that of all the buildings in Islamabad, the Supreme Court is the most sensitive to the weather outside. If the lawyers of Pakistan had not been up in arms, Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohamad Chaudhry would have been history long ago. Like Maulana Aziz now, and Dr A. Q. Khan some time ago, he might even have had to appear on television to confess to his 'sins'. (To all appearances, in the Musharraf republic one of the conditions of mercy is an abject appearance on television.) But if this hasn't happened, it's only because of the weather outside.

But the basic question is somewhat different. It is not enough to ask why the Lal Masjid brothers were trying to run a state within a state, or why they were taking the law into their hands. They had no business to do either but that's hardly the point. Why were they allowed to take the law into their hands? Who set them up as moral vigilantes? Who allowed them, or facilitated them, to carry on their charade for so long?

We have seen how when the government made its intent clear: Maulana Aziz was transformed almost immediately from a leader of jihad to a comic star. Why did the government get serious only now? Why was it biding its time since January when girl students from the Jamia Hafsa seized the Children's Library?

Granted that the Red Mosque brigade went a step too far when they raided a purported massage parlour and took several Chinese nationals into custody. But how did these vigilantes arrive at that point of confidence where they could contemplate such a step? The Musharraf government has moved heaven and earth, and in the process made a fool of itself, to take care of a troublesome Chief Justice. But for six months it allowed a bunch of bearded vigilantes to run amok and make a mockery of the state. Why?

So what was really going on? Beset on all sides by different problems, did the government simply sleepwalk its way into this mess? Or were hidden hands playing the Red Mosque brothers and pushing them to a point where they could be dealt with in such a manner as to bring maximum advantage to the government?

Cynicism abounds and it is only reinforced by the impeccable timing of the Lal Masjid Brigade's exploits. Whenever the Chief Justice's case in the Supreme Court took a serious turn, the Ghazi brothers could almost be counted upon to come up with a diversionary exercise. On their own or at someone's bidding?

Even now, this crisis came to a head only a day after the government's lawyers made complete idiots of themselves in the Supreme Court by filing documents against the Chief Justice which the court found so scandalous that it threw them out and penalised the advocate-on-record held responsible for the filing. Bigger heads should have rolled because the idea of filing these documents was someone else's. But that's a different subject.

Cynicism can also be measured by another circumstance. While there is not an ounce of public sympathy for the vigilantism of the Red Mosque brigade, there is not an ounce of sympathy for the government either. Indeed, a poll would probably show that the Ghazi brothers and Gen Musharraf share about the same degree of public suspicion and disapproval.

Civilian governments in Pakistan are much maligned. Part of the military's cleverly-spread credo is that civilian governments are incompetent and that in their hands the 'national interest' (whatever this means from time to time) is never safe. A civilian government -- Benazir Bhutto's or Nawaz Sharif's -- would never have allowed this mess to grow in the first place. The Ghazi brothers would never have been given so much rope.

The West seems not to understand that religious extremism in Pakistan is a product of military rule. Gen Zia promoted this phenomenon. Gen Musharraf has sought to profit from it by presenting himself as an 'enlightened' alternative.

The cause of 'enlightenment' would be served by a return to democracy. But who's interested in democracy? Stuck in Iraq and now in Afghanistan, the United States wants an ever-compliant ally in Islamabad. Musharraf fits this bill. That is why the US has no interest in seeing him go.

Does this mean that we are stuck with an ageing dispensation? This should be for the people of Pakistan to decide, but are they capable enough of exercising this right? This question, above all others, remains to be decided in what promises to be a seminal year in the history of Pakistan.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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This Lal Masjid episode made me think about something, if something like this were to (bhagwan na kare) happen in India..one can imagine the reactions of Commies, "Secular" brigade, Human rights "activists"....
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Posted: 18 years ago
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to me, it sounds a lot like Operation Blue Star. One common trait among military and civilian governments in our part of the world is that they both use religion as their trump card w/o any shame!!!
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Posted: 18 years ago
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It is just the another drama so that people of pakistan can forget what Musharaf did to Chief Justice of Pakistan. I am pretty sure that this red masjid thing can be resolved in just couple of days but It will be prolonged so that people of pakistan will forget the past actions of musharaf - typical political games, happens all over the world even in US.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Lal_Masjid_top_cleric_kil led_Pak/articleshow/2192238.cms

NEW DELHI: Lal Masjid top rebel cleric Abdul Rashid Ghazi was killed in assault by Pakistan army on Tuesday.

He was killed in the last stage of fighting, said Pakistan government official. "I can confirm that Ghazi is killed", he added.

Pakistan army had stormed the mosque on Tuesday morning.

Ghazi had refused to surrender despite ultimatum by Pakistan army.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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That is great at least Pak took a strong step. They should have done to other extremists also in the past to avoid these existing problems
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Posted: 18 years ago
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actually if u guys dont happen to know, that the orgin of this problem has to do with President Musharraf!... this masjid was created in the 1960s during the time of Zia ul Haq and at that time it was a small masjid!... later on, the ppl of the mosque decided to expand it and therefore took sum of the spare land besides it, which was totall abandoned!.....

now Musharraf since a few months has been destroying sum mosques that do not appreciate Musharraf's ruling or that do not flow according to Musharraf's law!... now when it came to Lal Masjid, Musharraf said to them that give back our land that u took back in the 1960s, as it is NOT ur land!! ... from here, this whole issue started.... they said, NO, we will not give u back this land and Musharraf stuck with his word...

from here on, the ppl of the red mosque, which were composed of mostly children and women demanded the gov't to listen to what they had to say and came out in protest, in the captial of Pakistan! ..... they then brought up another logic that Pakistan is an islamic country and everyone shud live fully Islmaically!... from there, the ppl of the mosque spoke up and a chaos started from February 2007... and then they even started going against Musharraf's government.... from there a few video shops in that area were burnt down, as the ppl of the masjid said that these stores are unislamic! and a crisis began!!...

still the gov't didnt speak up and this issue continued.... lal mosque was against Musharraf and his ways and then the real problem came... there were a few chinese ppl in islamabad, im not sure whether or not they were ambassadors or not, but sum ppl of the moque captured these chinese ppl, stating that listen to what we have to say musharraf! (it was a threat)... and from there, now in July, they start an operation in that mosque (sumthing that shud have been talked about from Feb, but Musharraf didnt)... now the governemtnt wakes up and decides to do a crazy operation for 1.5 weeks straight! and in a few days those chinese ppl were released as well!

this is the whole issue of the red mosque..... its not fully the fault of the ppl of the Mossque, Musharraf is responsible for it as well!

Musharraf told Ghazi, the head of the mosque to surrender, but he didnt... sum children and women came out of the mosque in the beginning but sum were still trapped inside...but now all of them, most of them at least, have all died!

now, innocent lives have been wasted and many were killed... now ppl in pak say that yes, the leaders of the mosque were at fault, i.e. Ghazi, but why cudnt Musharraf handle this issue from the very start?.... sum say its to impress the USA and show how Pakistan deals with its people who do not follow its law... but nevertheless, innocent kids have died and mostly women, during this operation which got very heavy since yesterday!... and now that Ghazi died, still firing remains around that area, as Pak's army is still within the mosque... but the innocent ppl in the mosque that cudnt come out beforehand, are now all killed!
Edited by mini2390 - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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one thing is sure Mushharaf is very shrewd man,look how cleverly he tackled this problem............agar wo pehle hi commando action le lete to puri country me uske against aur ziada agitations hote,waise bhi last 3-4 months se Mushharaf pe saade-saati chal rahi hai,pura opposition taak me baitha hai.....aise me agar zara sa bhi galat step utha lete wo to bas yeh unki govt.ki last galati hoti.....but unhone bohat hi patience se kaam lete huwe pehle peacefully yeh problem solve ho jaaye iski koshish kari........wait kiya 6-7 days ke kuch to solution nikle but jab peace talks bhi fail ho gayi tab zara bhi der na lagate huwe attack kar diya Red mosque pe......kitni sharmnaak baat hai na ke yeh apneaapko paak-saaf n religious batanewaale cleric innocent aurto aur baccho ka human shield ki tarah use kar rahe the 😡 ...........ab at least puri country me n internatinally bhi Mushharaf ko iska credit jaayega,opposition ko bhi kuch kehne ki jagah nahi rahi hai ab...........n ab to Mushharafsahab samajh chuke honge jo India itne saalo se kehta aaya hai ke bohat saare border area,n area near to Afghanistan boder ke madarso me extremist activities ho rahi hai jaha innocent youth ko religion ke naam pe gumraah kar rahe hai yeh fanatics......ab to yeh prove ho chuka hai laal masjid ke is incident ki wajah se ke jo Pak.ke capital me ho raha hai to baaki Pak-India ke border area me kya hota hoga 😕 😕 .....i hope ke ab aise radical,fanatic,extremists ke khilaaf strict action lega Pak. 😛 .......mandir,masjid yeh prayer karne ki jagah hai,aise fanatic logo ke terrorist activities karne ki nahi........jo bhi innocent logo ki jaane gayi hai unke liye bohat bura lagta hai,may their souls rest in peace..........
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Jakke pair na fatte bibai, so kya janne peer parayi 😃

Means if you donot have sore feet, you will not realize the pain of others. not that this is fun, but imagine the pain of those too, that get burnt alive in the trains or in the buses in J&K just becuse they are Hindu. How many innocent lives have been lost.
Terrorisn ka ek Tandav to pakistan ne bhi dekha and hopefully a lesson for them.

Great link Deepak..arr I mean Prashant 😃

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