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Posted: 11 years ago
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Okay here is my take 5 for today ... filmy mood mein hoon still. 😆

Guys, today we saw two "romantic" situations today ... but with the wrong people.

We had Khaiber, with his eyes, saying "palat, palat if you love me" like SRK in DDLJ to have Jodha turn to see him with concern ...

And in the precap, we had winds blowing, as if "Aankhon mein teri ajab si ajab si aadhayenhein" and Jalal caught off guard looking at our new entrant Atifa.

Looks like the CVs have a bit of a SRK over-drive these days but they are using it for all the wrong situations.

But, guys, neither of these scenes were romantic in any way today. Just as we know, Jodha does not have any romantic intentions on Khaiber, can we give Jalal a chance before jumping to conclusions on his intentions? Perhaps, he had heard her sing somewhere before and recognized her? And if this is Jalal's look of being mesmerized and attracted to someone ... Rajat has lost some acting skill since the Gangaur days in Amer.😉

Who knows? The CVs may make the Jalal who told Jodha today that he cannot see her pain and feels embarrassed when he was not a "pati parameswar" to her in the early days ... return to his early days and be infatuated with the wife of another.

It may have happened in history but for me it is not historically accuracy that matters, it is consistency with the character graph that the CVs have developed. And the CVs would be going against the character Jalal they themselves created. But, in any case, can we wait till it happens before we get upset about it?

Similarly, Jodha feeling concern and pity on Khaiber is totally in character ... what makes less sense, is the fact that the Jodha who did not go to meet Motibai when she was jailed because of rules, breaks the rules because she cannot see Khaiber in pain. Is this the same Jodha touching and tending to Khaiber's wounds who protested to have Hakim Mirza touch her when he was saving her from a snake? For me, I know that Jodha's character has been adapted to 21st century principles and I like the way she stands up for justice and right ... but to show it, I do not understand why the CVs have to go against her own character.

The CVs seem to create scenes that are against the characters they have developed with the intention of creating rift ... what would have been an alternative? Jodha is upset that Shariffidhin has broken the Shehenshah's order, she goes to Jalal and says that this is wrong and continues to stand up for what she thinks is right. Sure, Jodha- Jalal might have had a mini-argument, but at least that would be in line with the characters and we would have seen Akdha on screen together.

Historical accuracy is one thing that we cannot hope for, but why are CVs inconsistent with the characters they themselves developed to create problems?

I am not sure our complaints or protests are of any use. But, I do know the CVs can do better. That being said, I am addicted to this show and this forum and found quite a few elements of the show enjoyable today, so here is my take 5:

Take 5:

1. Jalal in action: Maybe with the wrong enemy now that he is converted to a friend ... but it was nice to see his josh. And in the end of the day, he did defeat Khaiber so hats off to him! 👏

Aaj kal, bohath SRK references ho gaye ... but did anyone get reminded of SRK- sumo wrestler fight from Rab Ne Bana Ji Jodi? 😆

2. Jalal-Jodha entry back to Agra: I liked the personal, warm way they walked back together with Jalal holding Jodha's shoulders protectively ... It showed how Jalal wanted to protect Jodha and was progress from their typical hand-holds. 😳

It reminds me of how Amitabh- Jaya walked out in the end of Abhimaan. There is so much scope for the CVs to show Jodha-Jalal as a mature couple in love ... reflecting on both their journeys and evolutions and past memories.

As mentioned above, I found the Khaiber staring at Jodha to look back at him highly filmy 😆

2. Jodha- Jalal interaction: I liked the way it was structured, in that Jodha lying down and again Jalal protectively hovering over her ... it almost look like Jodha was curling in and taking shelter under Jalal after a stressful evening. It was a different angle then has been showed in the past!😳

As I mentioned, the CVs have so much scope to re-live their pleasant memories and understand what they have learned in their love story ... instead, we just get Jalal lamenting on how he used to be.

And of course the children would be moving so fast, they already have had their first lessons in kartavya and dharm ... they will be born ready to fight like Abhimanyu. Just kidding! 😆

And Jodha is right, Jalal did save her too! If Jalal didn't capture Khaiber, Khaiber would have taken up to the hill-top and built a little home for him and Jodha Begum.

3. Jalal the painter: Look at the effects of love ... It not only a turned a Shehenshah into a poet, but a painter! I look forward to seeing the end results of this but Jalal gets E for effort and then we don't have to stare at the painting Shariffudin commissioned!

I liked how Jodha expressed interest to do Roza ... love the concern with Jalal told her not to.

I liked how Jodha said that there are so many shades of Jalal that she does not know ... and it reminded me there are so many shades of Jalal I want the CVs to show me.

4. Jodha speaking up for what she believes: One thing you need to appreciate is Jodha always speaks up for what she believes which I love. And she should stand up for Khaiber and more humane punishment!

That being said, I have already mentioned how the CVs could have had her go to Jalal and fight with him first , at least we would have gotten an Akdha interaction.

5. Hamida Bano: I loved the nuance in the way she talked to Jodha ... and nuance is rare in this serial. She accepted the good- the insaaniyat , the nekh dil. But, pointed out the wrong, in breaking the rules and risking her life in front of Khaiber. If Khaiber had made one kick, she would have been in trouble.

What Hamida Bano said was right- regardless of whether she had been goaded by Ruqaiyya or not. And it is Ruqaiyya's shortcoming, that she rejoices in seeing the scolding, but fails to see the immense love and concern in what she said.

The sad news is , I think Jalal yelling at Jodha will lack the same nuance, though it will show the same love and concern.When will this guy learn?

And about the precap, please let us not jump to conclusions!

So, what were your thoughts on the episode and my take?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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firstly for that history lesson Divya -

Akbar was never attracted to any singer - and nor was he lusting after the wives of others.

Now to the incident that has been used to make Akbar seem lusty - this is an incident that is supposed to have happened in 1564 after the death of AK - when Akbar had come to Delhi - he had praised the wife of one of the noblemen - who went on to divorce said wife and then left for the Deccan Kingdom - this wife being the lady named Bibi Daulat Shad who in August 1564 became a part of Akbar's harem when he took her under his protection since she was left destitute and abandoned - now in this entire chain of events nowhere did Akbar force the man Abul Wasl to divorce his wife - and neither did said lady become a part of Akbar's harem immediately after the divorce - infact she is taken under his protection long after the husband runs away to the Deccan and after Akbar was attacked by MA's servant - now how this entire chain of events has been (mis)presented is thanks to Blochmann's work on Akbar - who has used an old Changezi tradition (of the courtiers wives being the property of the Emperor) to interpret these events - when infact Akbar was more Persian in his thinking, actions and attitude than the follower of old Changezi traditions.

History is just a linear narrative of events Divya - and it can be interpreted differently by different ppl - for Blochmann the polygamous set-up is one of lust - remember Henry VIII who divorced one wife to marry another becoz he lusted for the woman??? - so that is the lens thru which he seems to have interpreted these events - what actually happened only the players themselves know - but this has been stated even by Badaouni (one of Akbar's biggest detractors due to Akbar's tolerance policies) that the Emperor was a man of moderation in everything and not given to excesses of the senses.

As for the epi - the less said the better.

btw another titbit about Akbar - he was himself an artist and a painter.

Oh yes - as for the precap - if this is supposed to be a look of being mesmerized then yes Divya, Rajat seems to have lost some of his acting skills since the Ghangaur days!!!! - it seemed more a startled look than a mesmerized one!!!!

Edited by adianasr - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Episode was good.. I enjoyed the episode ..Jalaal did have a good fight but very short...

I liked the way JJ hug & jallu concern about his babies.. I liked the night scene where both JJ feel the baby and praise each other a wonderful wife & pyara pati...

I liked JO wanting to keep Roza in ramzaan month (but she is pregnant) and asking Jallu permission was good... I liked Jallu trying to draw painting and Jallu telling her next year we both will fast and please take care of our babies..

Ruku instigating HB, while HB was right for the safety of Jo and her pregnancy..

JO was also right , she just stopped Shariff... Even though cleaning kyber wounds were wrong...

Kyber surely fall in love with JO... I way he was looking at JO while JJ hugged, JJ going to the palace, HB taking away JO ...he roared with pain... He surely fallen for JO...

Now Jallu starts shouting at JO, that too before Ruku.. Ruku is happy seeing HB & jallu scolding JO..

I feel Jallu get mesmerized to her beauty, the way he looks at her tells it all..Ruku is the one who will arrange the singing as she saw jallu expressions in DEK and might spread the news of Jallu & atifa affair..

But I am sure Jallu will not fall for atifa..We may see small rift between JJ .. Ruku will be happy and will try to make the MU grow more... But JJ both will try to keep their pain in themselves and try to be normal before others.

I think kyber will try to take away JO or die saving JO from MAC soldiers..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@adina, wonderful write up nd thnks for the info. Main prob is tht very few had actually tried to understand things from akbar"s point of view. The fact is akbar also didn't had 5000 women in his harem. No doubt he has a big harem but not as big as this. But the fact remains tht the hindus of tht time had interpreted many things in a very wrong way. Nd going by the attitude nd the disrespect of the makers of the towards akbar im very much sure jalal will be shown lusting on atifa.

@divya, ur thread actually holds me back otherwise my fav rajat is also unble to do tht.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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nice take... actually if i hadnt known about atifa and jalal, lust love and all, i would say he was surprised. still fingers crossed.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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hey divi, will be out of town for 3 days but will have my cell with me, therefore will give my two cents before i head out, i think jodha should have talked to jalal and got his permission before entering the jail, and second why she applied the lep herself, she could have instructed moti to do it, anyway who cares about logic, its dramatic after all..and loved rajat's jalal's expressions on seeing Atifa, but she was not that great looking and that was my first impression! would love to see how this atifa angle unfolds and am loving the pace of the show..fast track!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice post. Divya.
First about the precap. Why people r going mad. I don't find his emotions so bad. I don't think he fall for her. His expression r deffo not like that its something else.
Other than that they r showing its Ramzan (Eid chalal gaya now they remember Ramzan chalo atlast yaad toh ayi cvs ko) .So he is keeping Roza. There is no way they can show Jalal lusting someone keeping Roza.
I can understand Jodha's sympathy towards Khaiber but treating his wounds was too much. If she knows her audha BEK she should behave like one too. Finally HB behaved logically today. HB and Jalal was right. Jo atleast should stop arguing with HB. She is her MIL.
And whats with Rukku. She wanted to show Jo isn't fit to be a mother of Mughal waris. So that when the times come she can ask the kids from Jo. And Jo is willingly helping her in that.
And why people r going gaga over the 10 feet distance hug and Jalal feeling the baby scene. RT's expressions were not up to mark. It was clearly visible he was not into the scene.
Uff finally got the frustration out.
Now I always wanted Jo to keep Roza with Jalal in Ramzan. Finally cvs fulfilled my one dream. The whole scene was very beautiful I like it a lot.
Btw me too thought about the SRK's Rab Ne scene during that scene 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: munnirony

@adina, wonderful write up nd thnks for the info. Main prob is tht very few had actually tried to understand things from akbar"s point of view. The fact is akbar also didn't had 5000 women in his harem. No doubt he has a big harem but not as big as this. But the fact remains tht the hindus of tht time had interpreted many things in a very wrong way. Nd going by the attitude nd the disrespect of the makers of the towards akbar im very much sure jalal will be shown lusting on atifa.

@divya, ur thread actually holds me back otherwise my fav rajat is also unble to do tht.


What I don't get is being a large Harem, means only one thing, that the King has no control over his hormones??? Harem comprised of not only an Emperor's wives but also his other female relatives and many women in need, dependent on the King...Emperor had huge responsibility if he'd big harem...is this not narrow mindedness of people or so called historians??

I have no hopes from CVs...first they showed us all kind of circus and nautanki and now twisting the history in Ekta'ish way...the lead couple is haywire right now😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Arieltabi

Nice post. Divya.
First about the precap. Why people r going mad. I don't find his emotions so bad. I don't think he fall for her. His expression r deffo not like that its something else.
Other than that they r showing its Ramzan (Eid chalal gaya now they remember Ramzan chalo atlast yaad toh ayi cvs ko) .So he is keeping Roza. There is no way they can show Jalal lusting someone keeping Roza.
I can understand Jodha's sympathy towards Khaiber but treating his wounds was too much. If she knows her audha BEK she should behave like one too. Finally HB behaved logically today. HB and Jalal was right. Jo atleast should stop arguing with HB. She is her MIL.
And whats with Rukku. She wanted to show Jo isn't fit to be a mother of Mughal waris. So that when the times come she can ask the kids from Jo. And Jo is willingly helping her in that.
And why people r going gaga over the 10 feet distance hug and Jalal feeling the baby scene. RT's expressions were not up to mark. It was clearly visible he was not into the scene.
Uff finally got the frustration out.
Now I always wanted Jo to keep Roza with Jalal in Ramzan. Finally cvs fulfilled my one dream. The whole scene was very beautiful I like it a lot.
Btw me too thought about the SRK's Rab Ne scene during that scene 😆


@Bold: Absolutely, his expressions when he felt kids' releasing their "KICK" in Jo's womb was a dud...he wasn't excited, that one would've expected...after all his kids are his lifelong wish, toh feeling their kicks, he should have been ecstatic.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Divi my TMHPKNK behena...ditto thoughts!!!🤗
I liked the episode..!!!😳
Jalal beating Khaibar and hugging Jodha scene was beautiful.here Khaibar's expressions were interesting..! Jalal actually was pretty good and tedha!😳
Jalal covering Jodha with dupatta and putting her hand to feel the baby was adorable..!!...❤️
JJ scene at bedroom was also lovable! I know its funny that Jodha felt unborn's movement so early, but romantic in me loved it..!! the way Jalal got scared first then felt happy..it was beautiful...Jodha praising Jalal and Jalal apologizing to her was also adorable...❤️

Jalal trying to make a portrait of Jodha?! what a sweetheart he can be..Jodha is so right..he is indeed the most loving husband in this world!☺️ and yes she is too is most pyaari Begum😳
hayeee my JJ.❤️

I won't blame Jodha for meeting Khaibar..she didnt go by herself..Khaibar's screams made her do so..she was trying to see who dared to go against Shehenshah's order by punishing Khaibar?!
and no surprise there it was the psycho ashique of Jodha Sharifuddin!!!!!🤢😡
I felt bad for Khaibar..bechara..
only thing I didnt like Jodha trying to wipe off Khaibar's blood by herself..yes she did tell the sipahi to do it but she could have been li'l firmer and have ordered as Khaas Begum then no one would have dared to discard her order!!! Jodha is seeing Kaibar as a ghayal, someone who saved her and is grateful to him.

HB's scolding Jodha was justified...she was worried and she has every right to scold her..she was scolding out of concern..she is right at her place..so will be Jalal I am sure..both r worried for both Jodha and Saltanat's wali-ehad's safety...they is no wrong in that and their logic was also right!👍🏼 Jodha did break rules and could have harmed herself in this process..so HB was totally talking like Mariam Makkani and also a concerned MIL.

Ruqu tried to aag lagao..no wonder..as u said she only enjoys seeing people shouting at Jodha but failed to notice the reason they do so.
precap: I think we should not jump to conclusion...Jalal loves Jodha way too much and is very loyal to her..no doubt on that..so doubting on Jalal's character seeing his expression on precap would be very unfair to him! I have full faith in him...when everyone was going gaga over Benazir Jalal didnt even pay attention to her...toh yeh Atifa kya chiz hai...😎viewers ko thoda masala dene ke liye CVs brought Khaibar and to give him takkar they brought Atifa..😆though historically Atifa will be placed in royal court..hope CVs stick to the history dont show any non sense using Jalal.🤔

P.S. I liked the scene where Khaibar was brought to the palace and Jodha while walking away with Jalal turned to see him..so did Khaibar...it was filmy😆 Khaibar's expressions were mind blowing throughout the episode..!!...👍🏼

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