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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: HaremSultan

Mughal women never fought any battles. Nur jahan was an exception but she did not take part directly. She was the plotter. Mughal ladies were plotters not fighters. No muslim woman ever took part in wars directly except Raziya Sultan and that was also due to liberalism of her father.



Nur Jahan was not a Trimud princess she was from a Persian linage but yes she was a
Mughal Empress & a correction Nur Jahan fought in battle field & she was a muslim.
plz read history before posting such statements

NurJahan commanded a army to rescue her husband
In 1626, Mahabat Khan took Jahangir and his party captive when the Emperor was encamped on the banks of the River Jhelum.After long hours of feinted actions and secret negotiations, most master-minded by Nur Jahan, a river battle ensued. At the high point of the battle, after the search for passable fords had proved hopeless, Nur Jahan was the first one she plunged into the river on elephant back carrying bow & arrows along with her in the elephant howdah there was her granddaughter & her anka
chronicles says that the most furious assault by Mahabat Khan Rajput soilders was directed on Nur Jahan her elephant was surrounded by a crowd of Rajputs her guards were overpowered and cut down at its feet balls and arrows fell thick round her howdah, NurJahan was armed with bow & arrows shot 4 arrows & killed rajputs soilders.

By the account of the Iqbalnama, Nur Jahan fought well and most bravely, but her most famous act was to save one of her own party. "The Begam Nur Jahan had in her litter the daughter of Shahriyar [her own grand daughter], whose anka or nurse was the daughter of Shah Nawaz Khan. The anka received an arrow in her arm[by one of the rajput soilder] &
the Begam(NurJahan) herself pulled it out, stainsiing her garments with blood."


other sources claimed that the arrow hit the little infant the granddaughter of NurJahan &
Nur Jahan's own elephant suffered blows to the side, but the entire party survived and returned to the royal camp. where Nur Jahan was surrounded by her women, who came shrieking and lamenting, and found her howdah stained with blood, and herself busy in extracting the arrow and binding up the wound of the infant."


in short Open war had failed, and the brave woman resorted to other methods. Nur Jahan , with the help of nobles who were still loyal to Jahangir , came up with a plan to free her husband. She surrendered herself to Mahabat Khan, and once reunited with her husband, put her plan into action. She had Jahangir convince Mahabat Khan that he was satisfied with the current arrangement, as it had freed him from her clutches. Mahabat Khan believed that he had won over the former emperor, failing to realize that Jahangir was in fact siding with Nur Jahan . Consequently, he decreased the Rajput guards that he had placed around Jahangir , and prepared to return to Lahore with the captive emperor. Meanwhile, Nur Jahan arranged for an Ahadis army to meet them en route to Lahore in the ensuing battle, Nur Jahan's forces were victorious, in the battle, Mahabat lost some of his best leaders Rajputs were slaughtered like goats and few who were captured were sold in markets of Kabul. An estimated, nearly 3000 rajputs were killed in this battle and others were wounded heavily. Mahabat Khan's brief reign lasted approximately 100 days. so Nur Jahan won back her husband hounour & glory on the same place where once it was lost.

actualy there was one of a pic of Nur Jahan she is carrying a riffle
here it is Lady with riffle probably Nur Jahan



Edited by jodah - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: jodah





Trimuds were Turks & speak turkish later adopted Persian Although Arabic and Turkish stem from entirely different language families. Arabic has had great influence on Turkish & we can find Arabic & Persian culture influence on Trimuds culture too.
its a misconception about Arab womens not fought in war or not involved in Politics. Actualy it was Arab empires i-e Umayyad Caliphate ,Abbasid Caliphate etc who set a ruling structure example which is later followed by mostly Muslim Empires.
Arabs have there own history about womens warriors & Queens
actually you can divide it in to 2 groups Pre Islamic & Post Islamic.
here i'm listing some of the Arab womens they were warriors, commanders,Queens,buisness womens

Khawlah bint al-Azwar ...
a young arab warrior women sister of a powerful commander Zarrar. in 636 AD Battle of Yarmouk she fought against Bazantine she was wounded during a fight with a Greek soldier . Khawla fought in many battles that took place in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine. 634 Battle of Saniyat al Uqab Zarrar was caught by Bazantine soilders she fought in disguise as a men wearing armour & rescued her brother. The Romans eventually lost the battle and fled.Battle of Ajnadin, Khawla's spear broke, she was caught & imprisoned but she decided that to die is more honorable than living in disgrace.she encouraged other muslim women prisoners to fight they took the tents' poles and pegs and attacked the Roman guards.Khawlah killed 5 Roman soilders including the one who tried to rape her.
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Hazrat Ayesha need no introduction a well know respected figure in Arab & Muslim world
wife of Muhammd(P.B.U.H) commanded a army in the Battle of Jamal

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Azdah bint Al-Harith bin Kaldah She participated in the battle by the Al-Mughrab led by Mughirah bin Shu'bah when the people of Maisan had put together an army to challenge the Muslims. Maisan is located in Iraq and located between Basra and Wasit.
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Princess Dhat al-Himma a leader and Combattant, played a most important role in defending the state or the Abbasid
caliphate during its early days fought & defeated Byzantine Roman empire.
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Hind al-Hunnud she participated in the Battle of Badr against muslims she also commanded a guerrilla war against muslims but defeated & later converted to Islam.
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Nusaybah Bint Ka'ab a respected women warrior in Arab world. In the battle of Uhud.
she was working with the medical team she was bringing water to the thirsty fighters and tending the wounded but when the muslims army were on the edge of defeat Nusaybah went forward, with her sword & bow in her hand & joined army.she fought in many battles Aqabah, Al-Hudaybiyah, Khaybar & Hunayn including Al-Yamamah where she fought brilliantly and received eleven wounds as well as losing her hand.
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Arwa al-Sulayhi the queen from Sulayhid Dynasty It was under her rule that Yemen broke itself from the yoke of the Fatimid Caliphate and established its independence. She had the privillage that her name is read in Khutba's instead of her husband who was the King.
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Umm Hakim in
Battle of Marj al-Saffar single-handedly dispatched seven Byzantine soldiers.
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Maviya al-Hawari Queen of the Tanukh Reign 375-425 she was an Christian Arab warrior queen defeated Roman army.
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Arabian queen Al Khaizuran wife al-Mahdi, 3rd Abbasid caliph of Baghdad (Iraq) an important political figure
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Queen Zenobia of Palmyra queen of the Roman colony of Palmyra, in present-day Arab country Syria, from 267 or 268 to 272. She conquered several of Rome's eastern provinces before she was subjugated by the emperor Aurelian (ruled 270-275).
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Princess Zubaidah bint Ja'far Abbasid princesses wife of Harun ul Rashid improved trade routes & mediated a peaceful settelment of the civil conflict following Harun al Rashid death
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Asma bint Shihab al-Sulayhiyya queen of Yemen
Sayyida Hurra: The Isma'ili Sulayhid Queen of Yemen
Queen Samsi (Shamsi) of Arabia (she rebelled against Assyrian King)
they played important political roles during there time.

i hope i cleared some misconseptions & provided some info about Arab womens
coming back to Trimud Princess if we examine details in Babur Namah, Humayun Namah, Tuzk-i-Jahangiri, we shall find the Timuride women wearing arms, riding horses, going on hunting excursions, killing lions, playing polo, and practising with bows and arrows. They learnt all the technicalities of soldiering and we learn from the Tuzk-i-Baburi that Babur's conquests of Kabul, Samarciand, and Farghana owed much to women.
so logicaly its obvious that it was a rule that Trimud Princess along with Princes learnt the basic soilder techniques .





I know Arab women were politically involved and even took care of empires in their husband's absence. But didn't know about the war part. Nice to know about the famous women from that region.

I have researched only on Mughals and have read they adopted the purdah system from Arabs. So naturally i thought Arabs were restrictive about their women. Thanks for clearing that up and the information. It is appreciated 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@ann2012 welcome buddy i'm glad that i helped 😊
sorry dear but i reported that thread as it found i baised the TM posts & don't want further
arguments & comparisons starts
sorry no offense 😊
Edited by jodah - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jodah

@ann2012 welcome buddy i'm glad that i helped 😊
sorry dear but i reported that thread as it found i baised the TM posts & don't want further
arguments & comparisons starts
sorry no offense 😊


Don't worry. It has become a historical discussion. It will either be closed or be shifted to historical sticky (worse than being closed ). But this info helped 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@jodah you nailed it 👏 thanks for all the info about Arab & Mughal womens bravery
mughal empire,ottoman empire were Islamic empires they are muslims & they were influenced by early Arabs Caliphate & adopted many things from them people can check history facts


Edited by jalludewani - 10 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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yeah , u r right 100% .. i know that .. mughal women never used to johar , even my mom told me .. that muslim women .. i mean mughal women use to fight bt the don't die drinking poison
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Posted: 11 years ago
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yep and mughal princesses got to build palace outside agra fort and delhi fort
Ruqaiah, shakrunissa, nadira, jahanara, bahar bano were some of those who got palaces outside of forts and many lived alone without father, brother or husband or son in their house



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